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I still think the numbers may dictate yiu let Ridley walk. Kirk is a great player. The offense went downhill more with him out.

(02-07-2024, 01:42 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I still think the numbers may dictate yiu let Ridley walk. Kirk is a great player. The offense went downhill more with him out.

I agree that the offense changed without Kirk, however, that should have been expected. It was year two in this offense with Lawrence. He was a lot more ahead of the curve and he did benefit from Ridley being out there.

I think that cannot be devalued nor overlooked. Ridley getting over 1,000 yards and 8 TD's, fresh off the couch, being out of football shape for two years, new city, new system, new teammates, etc. 

That's impressive in and of itself. You're hedging your bet and focus on the following by bringing him back:

A. He continues to improve upon what he's already done in this offense. 
B. He continues to provide more opportunities for guys like Kirk going into his year three within the same offense. 
C. He provides a sense of security. 

I cannot overstate this enough, but, going into this off season, with the amount of holes we have on the offensive line and defensive line, in addition to this being regarded as one of the better draft classes that's deep along the trenches. Why risk backfilling yet another WR position? And starting over?

Just seems overbearing and redundant. We'll be just like the 2022 team again, barely making it into the post season. It'll be the common irony. "Welp, Jags finally got the line fixed on offense and Lawrence has more time, but, new guy out there can't run a clean route, can't catch cold, etc.".

Minimizing redundancy and minimizing the amount of holes to backfill is vital to this team's success over the next two to three years.

It all starts with Josh Allen.

If they can get a deal done with Allen before FA hits, then they won't have to use the FA tag on him. This enables them to tag Ridley and give him a contract at some point over the summer.

If they mess up and they have to tag either Allen or Ridley, they are tagging Allen. I highly doubt the Jags want to lose a 2nd round pick AND pay Ridley.

(02-07-2024, 02:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It all starts with Josh Allen.

If they can get a deal done with Allen before FA hits, then they won't have to use the FA tag on him. This enables them to tag Ridley and give him a contract at some point over the summer.

If they mess up and they have to tag either Allen or Ridley, they are tagging Allen. I highly doubt the Jags want to lose a 2nd round pick AND pay Ridley.

Pretty sure that if they tag Ridley and he signs it then that turns it into a 2nd round pick.

(02-07-2024, 02:22 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 02:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It all starts with Josh Allen.

If they can get a deal done with Allen before FA hits, then they won't have to use the FA tag on him. This enables them to tag Ridley and give him a contract at some point over the summer.

If they mess up and they have to tag either Allen or Ridley, they are tagging Allen. I highly doubt the Jags want to lose a 2nd round pick AND pay Ridley.

Pretty sure that if they tag Ridley and he signs it then that turns it into a 2nd round pick.

They would place the tag on him but work out a deal (similar to what they did with Engram).

(02-07-2024, 02:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 02:22 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure that if they tag Ridley and he signs it then that turns it into a 2nd round pick.

They would place the tag on him but work out a deal (similar to what they did with Engram).

Sure, I'm just saying that either way we are going to lose the 2nd if they put a tag on him.

I'm not as sold on bringing him back unless the contract is really good.

In no world is he worth paying PLUS losing a 2nd.
If we can work a deal without losing a 2nd - fine.

(02-07-2024, 03:31 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]In no world is he worth paying PLUS losing a 2nd.
If we can work a deal without losing a 2nd - fine.

This is debatable. Name a prominent receiver this franchise has ever drafted in the 2nd RD of Ridley's caliber. Because if your answer is Chark, Lee or Robinson you would be incorrect.

Also, even some of the recent decisions Baalke has made are questionable. Walker Little has not found a long term starting job on this roster going into year four. Tyson Campbell has had one good year out of three so far. He regressed significantly last year. Strange looks like, well, a strange selection considering how deep the TE class was. 

I am not sold nor convinced that you can depend on Baalke to make the best decision for this football team when it comes to the draft. In particular, on the offensive side of the football. 

You're not just going to plug and play another receiver into Ridley's position in 2024 and get that type of production. The odds are heavily stacked against us in that regard. We can play the "name the price" game all we want.

The reality is that, we're compounding a team that barely managed a .500 record two years in a row with further holes to backfill while also running the risk of Ridley running off to a direct competitor in this conference. It can and will inevitably come back to bite this team on the [BLEEP].

(02-07-2024, 03:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 03:31 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]In no world is he worth paying PLUS losing a 2nd.
If we can work a deal without losing a 2nd - fine.

This is debatable. Name a prominent receiver this franchise has ever drafted in the 2nd RD of Ridley's caliber. Because if your answer is Chark, Lee or Robinson you would be incorrect.

Also, even some of the recent decisions Baalke has made are questionable. Walker Little has not found a long term starting job on this roster going into year four. Tyson Campbell has had one good year out of three so far. He regressed significantly last year. Strange looks like, well, a strange selection considering how deep the TE class was. 

I am not sold nor convinced that you can depend on Baalke to make the best decision for this football team when it comes to the draft. In particular, on the offensive side of the football. 

You're not just going to plug and play another receiver into Ridley's position in 2024 and get that type of production. The odds are heavily stacked against us in that regard. We can play the "name the price" game all we want.

The reality is that, we're compounding a team that barely managed a .500 record two years in a row with further holes to backfill while also running the risk of Ridley running off to a direct competitor in this conference. It can and will inevitably come back to bite this team on the [BLEEP].

I understand your position, and it very reasonable. I just don't think the team can put $50-60 million into 3-4 pass catchers and expect to thrive, especially when none of them are All-Pro caliber.

Either direction you take Baalke would have to hit some home runs on cheap/young acquisitions in the trenches or for pass catchers; honestly both over the next few years. If that is the thing you completely cannot trust, neither plan is going to look good or optimal right now. But you have to take one of them on faith.

I also think the whole comparing the "history of the franchise" is a bit of straw man. If you just mean Baalke & Pederon's history, sure that tracks. But who this franchise failed to draft/develop 10, 15, or 20 years ago shouldn't be used as a basis for roster construction now.

I “really” want to keep that 2nd round pick.

However, I think I would rather keep Ridley and forfeit the 2nd if Baalke is making the selections.

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(02-07-2024, 02:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It all starts with Josh Allen.

If they can get a deal done with Allen before FA hits, then they won't have to use the FA tag on him. This enables them to tag Ridley and give him a contract at some point over the summer.

If they mess up and they have to tag either Allen or Ridley, they are tagging Allen. I highly doubt the Jags want to lose a 2nd round pick AND pay Ridley.

Guessing Allen will ask for 27-28 mil a year minimum. Expecting the team to tag him.

(02-07-2024, 04:15 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 03:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This is debatable. Name a prominent receiver this franchise has ever drafted in the 2nd RD of Ridley's caliber. Because if your answer is Chark, Lee or Robinson you would be incorrect.

Also, even some of the recent decisions Baalke has made are questionable. Walker Little has not found a long term starting job on this roster going into year four. Tyson Campbell has had one good year out of three so far. He regressed significantly last year. Strange looks like, well, a strange selection considering how deep the TE class was. 

I am not sold nor convinced that you can depend on Baalke to make the best decision for this football team when it comes to the draft. In particular, on the offensive side of the football. 

You're not just going to plug and play another receiver into Ridley's position in 2024 and get that type of production. The odds are heavily stacked against us in that regard. We can play the "name the price" game all we want.

The reality is that, we're compounding a team that barely managed a .500 record two years in a row with further holes to backfill while also running the risk of Ridley running off to a direct competitor in this conference. It can and will inevitably come back to bite this team on the [BLEEP].

I understand your position, and it very reasonable. I just don't think the team can put $50-60 million into 3-4 pass catchers and expect to thrive, especially when none of them are All-Pro caliber.

Either direction you take Baalke would have to hit some home runs on cheap/young acquisitions in the trenches or for pass catchers; honestly both over the next few years. If that is the thing you completely cannot trust, neither plan is going to look good or optimal right now. But you have to take one of them on faith.

I also think the whole comparing the "history of the franchise" is a bit of straw man. If you just mean Baalke & Pederon's history, sure that tracks. But who this franchise failed to draft/develop 10, 15, or 20 years ago shouldn't be used as a basis for roster construction now.

I cited both historically and recently. Baalke's historical drafts dating back to San Francisco do not exude very much skill in regards to finding and selecting talented football players on offense. Especially in the receiving department. 

I think most of Baalke's boom-or-bust decisions will make-or-break him in 2024. As he had ample opportunities in last year's draft to backfill the bottom half of the roster with the intention of pushing away and moving on from some of his contracts he landed in free agency back in 2022.

It'll be interesting to see what happens here soon with Free Agency about a month away. Tons of work to do.

They need to rebuild a lot this year can't lose that 2nd rounder.

(02-07-2024, 04:33 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]I “really” want to keep that 2nd round pick.

However, I think I would rather keep Ridley and forfeit the 2nd if Baalke is making the selections.

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(02-07-2024, 02:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It all starts with Josh Allen.

If they can get a deal done with Allen before FA hits, then they won't have to use the FA tag on him. This enables them to tag Ridley and give him a contract at some point over the summer.

If they mess up and they have to tag either Allen or Ridley, they are tagging Allen. I highly doubt the Jags want to lose a 2nd round pick AND pay Ridley.

Guessing Allen will ask for 27-28 mil a year minimum. Expecting the team to tag him.

Tagging Allen will be a huge mistake. They need to get a deal done.

(02-07-2024, 03:28 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 02:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]They would place the tag on him but work out a deal (similar to what they did with Engram).

Sure, I'm just saying that either way we are going to lose the 2nd if they put a tag on him.

I'm not as sold on bringing him back unless the contract is really good.

You can’t possibly know for a fact that they’ll lose a 2nd round pick if they tag him because…. No one nows.

It’s all speculation at this point.

(02-07-2024, 06:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 03:28 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, I'm just saying that either way we are going to lose the 2nd if they put a tag on him.

I'm not as sold on bringing him back unless the contract is really good.

You can’t possibly know for a fact that they’ll lose a 2nd round pick if they tag him because…. No one nows.

It’s all speculation at this point.

I'd be willing to bet that any contract triggers the 2nd round pick. Signing the franchise tender would be a contract.

(02-07-2024, 01:42 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I still think the numbers may dictate yiu let Ridley walk. Kirk is a great player. The offense went downhill more with him out.

What numbers?  Ridley had 1,016 yards and 8 TDs whereas Kirk had 787 yards and 3 TDs

(02-07-2024, 07:49 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 01:42 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I still think the numbers may dictate yiu let Ridley walk. Kirk is a great player. The offense went downhill more with him out.

What numbers?  Ridley had 1,016 yards and 8 TDs whereas Kirk had 787 yards and 3 TDs

In 5 less games.

(02-07-2024, 06:54 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 06:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You can’t possibly know for a fact that they’ll lose a 2nd round pick if they tag him because…. No one nows.

It’s all speculation at this point.

I'd be willing to bet that any contract triggers the 2nd round pick. Signing the franchise tender would be a contract.

Ok. I’m gonna slow it down. In this scenario, he’s not signing any contract at all until later on in the summer.

If they place the tag on him before the start of the new league year but he doesn’t sign it, then Ridley still doesn’t sign any contract at all until after the draft…. What happens?

Placing the tag on him does not mean that they signed him to a contract.

(02-07-2024, 06:54 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 06:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You can’t possibly know for a fact that they’ll lose a 2nd round pick if they tag him because…. No one nows.

It’s all speculation at this point.

I'd be willing to bet that any contract triggers the 2nd round pick. Signing the franchise tender would be a contract.

Not if Ridley doesnt sign it before the new league year starts.  That has at least been reported

If Ridley comes back I think the agree to a deal and then re-sign at the beginning of the new year

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