(03-15-2024, 01:25 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Just talk. He also mentioned his route tree was very limited in Jacksonville and Tennessee would let him run all the routes.
Well that's because his route tree was limited in Jacksonville.....
They didn't use him all over the field like they should have been doing from the start. Once they moved him around, he really started to succeed.
(03-15-2024, 01:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 01:25 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Just talk. He also mentioned his route tree was very limited in Jacksonville and Tennessee would let him run all the routes.
Well that's because his route tree was limited in Jacksonville.....
They didn't use him all over the field like they should have been doing from the start. Once they moved him around, he really started to succeed.
Agreed. We're also limited by our offensive line and lack of running game. Ridley is a damn good route runner. Probably the best route runner we had in Jacksonville in a long time.
Had the protection been better and the running game been more present? His double move abilities and agility in general would have done a lot more good for this offense.
It's a shame really. This team and himself left a lot of potential out there on the football field. Sadly, I don't think he'll see his peak again playing for that football team.
(03-15-2024, 01:53 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 01:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...aA1Sg&s=19
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He doesn’t sound that excited. He might regret it later or not. Time will tell.
Yep. Agreed. He seems ho-hum to me about the change. He won't regret the money. He did it for his future and his family. I can understand that. He'll just be miserable earning those paychecks on a losing team if they don't turn it around with him while there.
As you said. Time will tell.
To me, this sound like a decision that was made last minute by the Titans, it was their chance to make a splash in FA and to mess with a rival...we'll see if it was a wise one
Yeah agree. I had a feeling all along we just wouldn’t be able to match the cash he could get elsewhere. I’m excited to see what we can do with Kirk back healthy along with Gabe and Zay. Probably a second round receiver coming too.
(02-01-2024, 11:04 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There are only a few 1000 yard receivers hitting the market and there are more than a few teams that need one.
They'll all get overpaid.
The odds of the Jags working a deal with Allen and using the tag on Ridley before the tag deadline are slim because it behooves the Allen camp to wait and see what other edge players sign for to push up Allen's number.
That means the Jags will likely be forced to tag Allen in order to protect him from the open market.
Ridley will have to decide between an offer of slightly less money to stay in a system he just learned - or get overpaid to start over somewhere new.
posted this 6 weeks ago
*shrug*
here we are
(03-15-2024, 07:07 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...d0u9A&s=19
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Man I love Ridley, it was cool to see him get emotional as I think he was just taking it all in and looking back to what he said about his mom and now he got the huge contract and set for life and it's a dream come true. Especially after the letter he wrote and where he came from. I wish we could of kept him but I think it will be best for both parties.
this post needs to be closed,i want nothign to do with that snake of a traioter anymore,hes no longer a jag,and he joins the enemy. this post should be closed down. hes gone,lets move on,and awy from that snake.
(03-15-2024, 07:27 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]this post needs to be closed,i want nothign to do with that snake of a traioter anymore,hes no longer a jag,and he joins the enemy. this post should be closed down. hes gone,lets move on,and awy from that snake.
He's dead to me too on a somewhat non-serious note, but this take is hilarious.
I'll never understand people who rather gamble on a draft pick than a proven commodity...
I'd give up a first for Aiyuk or Higgins! No matter how good a draft pick looked in college, they haven't done it in the NFL yet.
We've witnessed Jefferson and Chase and forget all the other high draft picks that never pan out. The draft REALLY us a crap shoot. Every year teams choose to build thru the draft and that guy doesn't pan out.
(03-15-2024, 10:20 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never understand people who rather gamble on a draft pick than a proven commodity...
I'd give up a first for Aiyuk or Higgins! No matter how good a draft pick looked in college, they haven't done it in the NFL yet.
We've witnessed Jefferson and Chase and forget all the other high draft picks that never pan out. The draft REALLY us a crap shoot. Every year teams choose to build thru the draft and that guy doesn't pan out.
It's not just the pick you give up. You have to give him a huge contract as well. If your scouting is good you get a you good to great WR on a rookie deal for 4 or 5 years.
(03-14-2024, 07:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Gabe and Zay are the same dude. Neither can actually separate.
The Jags need a pure route runner who can separate and win 1 on 1 matchups.
Oh wait… we said the same thing last off season before they traded for Ridley. Back to square one.
M'am, would you like a tissue with your cryfest?
I'm glad calvin is gone, good riddance.
(03-14-2024, 07:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Gabe and Zay are the same dude. Neither can actually separate.
The Jags need a pure route runner who can separate and win 1 on 1 matchups.
Oh wait… we said the same thing last off season before they traded for Ridley. Back to square one.
You'll see the guys we have separate a lot better if we can run the ball better and protect the passer better.
(03-15-2024, 07:27 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]this post needs to be closed,i want nothign to do with that snake of a traioter anymore,hes no longer a jag,and he joins the enemy. this post should be closed down. hes gone,lets move on,and awy from that snake.
why didn't you say this about Arden Key? You dang near turned tack fan when they signed
him.
(03-15-2024, 10:20 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never understand people who rather gamble on a draft pick than a proven commodity...
I'd give up a first for Aiyuk or Higgins! No matter how good a draft pick looked in college, they haven't done it in the NFL yet.
We've witnessed Jefferson and Chase and forget all the other high draft picks that never pan out. The draft REALLY us a crap shoot. Every year teams choose to build thru the draft and that guy doesn't pan out.
you could have just said "I'll never understand the salary cap" and saved yourself a heap of keystrokes.
Jefferson and Chase are still on their rookie deals. There's been rumor of trade for Jefferson (why pay when the team is being rebuilt) and Chase is likely why Higgins got tagged and probably will be on the market next offseason. If these guys are so proven, why are their teams willing to part with them? Do they want to lose?
Aiyuk is approaching the end of his rookie deal. You think that might be reason why they are shopping him now, and now a year or so ago? What changed?
(03-18-2024, 08:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:27 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]this post needs to be closed,i want nothign to do with that snake of a traioter anymore,hes no longer a jag,and he joins the enemy. this post should be closed down. hes gone,lets move on,and awy from that snake.
why didn't you say this about Arden Key? You dang near turned tack fan when they signed him.
(03-15-2024, 10:20 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]I'll never understand people who rather gamble on a draft pick than a proven commodity...
I'd give up a first for Aiyuk or Higgins! No matter how good a draft pick looked in college, they haven't done it in the NFL yet.
We've witnessed Jefferson and Chase and forget all the other high draft picks that never pan out. The draft REALLY us a crap shoot. Every year teams choose to build thru the draft and that guy doesn't pan out.
you could have just said "I'll never understand the salary cap" and saved yourself a heap of keystrokes.
Jefferson and Chase are still on their rookie deals. There's been rumor of trade for Jefferson (why pay when the team is being rebuilt) and Chase is likely why Higgins got tagged and probably will be on the market next offseason. If these guys are so proven, why are their teams willing to part with them? Do they want to lose?
Aiyuk is approaching the end of his rookie deal. You think that might be reason why they are shopping him now, and now a year or so ago? What changed?
I understand the cap about as well as anyone else...
Again, those teams lucked up to have drafted WR high and they actually performed as a #1. Most teams, most times, it takes 1, 2, 3 years before a rookie perform as you need them to. And bout that time it's time to pay them or they hold out.
You can't gamble your job that a rookie will be exceptional. You don't have the 1-3 years it takes for a good 1st round pick to perform as needed. We don't need 40 catches, 680 yards, which is what a normal rookie will put up.
It's nice to have a rookie immediately put up probowl numbers...but it's exceptional.
(03-18-2024, 04:24 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 08:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]why didn't you say this about Arden Key? You dang near turned tack fan when they signed him.
you could have just said "I'll never understand the salary cap" and saved yourself a heap of keystrokes.
Jefferson and Chase are still on their rookie deals. There's been rumor of trade for Jefferson (why pay when the team is being rebuilt) and Chase is likely why Higgins got tagged and probably will be on the market next offseason. If these guys are so proven, why are their teams willing to part with them? Do they want to lose?
Aiyuk is approaching the end of his rookie deal. You think that might be reason why they are shopping him now, and now a year or so ago? What changed?
I understand the cap about as well as anyone else...
Again, those teams lucked up to have drafted WR high and they actually performed as a #1. Most teams, most times, it takes 1, 2, 3 years before a rookie perform as you need them to. And bout that time it's time to pay them or they hold out.
You can't gamble your job that a rookie will be exceptional. You don't have the 1-3 years it takes for a good 1st round pick to perform as needed. We don't need 40 catches, 680 yards, which is what a normal rookie will put up.
It's nice to have a rookie immediately put up probowl numbers...but it's exceptional.
What are you on about?
(03-18-2024, 04:24 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 08:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]why didn't you say this about Arden Key? You dang near turned tack fan when they signed him.
you could have just said "I'll never understand the salary cap" and saved yourself a heap of keystrokes.
Jefferson and Chase are still on their rookie deals. There's been rumor of trade for Jefferson (why pay when the team is being rebuilt) and Chase is likely why Higgins got tagged and probably will be on the market next offseason. If these guys are so proven, why are their teams willing to part with them? Do they want to lose?
Aiyuk is approaching the end of his rookie deal. You think that might be reason why they are shopping him now, and now a year or so ago? What changed?
I understand the cap about as well as anyone else...
Again, those teams lucked up to have drafted WR high and they actually performed as a #1. Most teams, most times, it takes 1, 2, 3 years before a rookie perform as you need them to. And bout that time it's time to pay them or they hold out.
You can't gamble your job that a rookie will be exceptional. You don't have the 1-3 years it takes for a good 1st round pick to perform as needed. We don't need 40 catches, 680 yards, which is what a normal rookie will put up.
It's nice to have a rookie immediately put up probowl numbers...but it's exceptional.
Which is fine. I believe the impetus is on Kirk and his 24 (I believe) million cap hit to be the gaudy number guy. If the rook puts up 700 this year getting his legs under him and learning the nuance of beating NFL corners week in and out, that's fine.
What happens if you pay Higgins Ridley money, and
he's the one putting up 700 yard seasons?
(03-18-2024, 04:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 04:24 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]I understand the cap about as well as anyone else...
Again, those teams lucked up to have drafted WR high and they actually performed as a #1. Most teams, most times, it takes 1, 2, 3 years before a rookie perform as you need them to. And bout that time it's time to pay them or they hold out.
You can't gamble your job that a rookie will be exceptional. You don't have the 1-3 years it takes for a good 1st round pick to perform as needed. We don't need 40 catches, 680 yards, which is what a normal rookie will put up.
It's nice to have a rookie immediately put up probowl numbers...but it's exceptional.
What are you on about?
I believe its time to update team building philosophy.
A coach and GM no longer have 5, 8, 10 years to build a playoff team thru the draft. I'd guess they get 2-3 years now.
No matter what a rookie has done in college, GMs can only pray they transition well to the NFL.
It seems safer to build your core thru free agency, and fill in the rest thru drafting. You don't pass up proven stars like Aiyuk and Higgins...for a 17th pick.
(03-18-2024, 11:33 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 04:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What are you on about?
I believe its time to update team building philosophy.
A coach and GM no longer have 5, 8, 10 years to build a playoff team thru the draft. I'd guess they get 2-3 years now.
No matter what a rookie has done in college, GMs can only pray they transition well to the NFL.
It seems safer to build your core thru free agency, and fill in the rest thru drafting. You don't pass up proven stars like Aiyuk and Higgins...for a 17th pick.
In other words. "[BLEEP] them picks!"
Your way is illustrated best by the Rams and their recent Super Bowl win. I don't think a team could ever build a dynasty in such a way, but if you want to go all in for a particular year and then pay for it for a few years after, that's how you'd do it. I don't hate it if it actually does result in a Super Bowl win, but I'd still prefer the year in year out competitive squad that comes from building through the draft and doing it that way well. It requires an owner that doesn't cow tow to vocal fan outrage when things don't work out after years 1 and 2. We seem to have such an owner and we seem to have the coach and QB and some pieces on the roster. I think we're in a good spot to do it the right way to build a consistent competitor.