(02-07-2024, 08:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2024, 06:54 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be willing to bet that any contract triggers the 2nd round pick. Signing the franchise tender would be a contract.
Ok. I’m gonna slow it down. In this scenario, he’s not signing any contract at all until later on in the summer.
If they place the tag on him before the start of the new league year but he doesn’t sign it, then Ridley still doesn’t sign any contract at all until after the draft…. What happens?
Placing the tag on him does not mean that they signed him to a contract.
I never said placing the tag signs him to a contract. That's why I said it requires him to sign it. But with the tag being around $21 million for a WR are we really sure he won't sign it?
The smartest play is to just let him hit FA and if we want him we compete for him.
(02-07-2024, 08:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2024, 06:54 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be willing to bet that any contract triggers the 2nd round pick. Signing the franchise tender would be a contract.
Not if Ridley doesnt sign it before the new league year starts. That has at least been reported
Correct, it requires Ridley to sign it. But I'm not sure he's going to walk away from $21 million especially since his market value is projected to be around $17 million.
(02-07-2024, 08:49 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2024, 08:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. I’m gonna slow it down. In this scenario, he’s not signing any contract at all until later on in the summer.
If they place the tag on him before the start of the new league year but he doesn’t sign it, then Ridley still doesn’t sign any contract at all until after the draft…. What happens?
Placing the tag on him does not mean that they signed him to a contract.
I never said placing the tag signs him to a contract. That's why I said it requires him to sign it. But with the tag being around $21 million for a WR are we really sure he won't sign it?
The smartest play is to just let him hit FA and if we want him we compete for him.
(02-07-2024, 08:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not if Ridley doesnt sign it before the new league year starts. That has at least been reported
Correct, it requires Ridley to sign it. But I'm not sure he's going to walk away from $21 million especially since his market value is projected to be around $17 million.
No, if he really wants to be here and will be here he would rather the team give up a 3rd than a 2nd. You dont want to weaken the team you are going to be on.
(02-07-2024, 03:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2024, 03:31 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]In no world is he worth paying PLUS losing a 2nd.
If we can work a deal without losing a 2nd - fine.
This is debatable. Name a prominent receiver this franchise has ever drafted in the 2nd RD of Ridley's caliber. Because if your answer is Chark, Lee or Robinson you would be incorrect.
Also, even some of the recent decisions Baalke has made are questionable. Walker Little has not found a long term starting job on this roster going into year four. Tyson Campbell has had one good year out of three so far. He regressed significantly last year. Strange looks like, well, a strange selection considering how deep the TE class was.
I am not sold nor convinced that you can depend on Baalke to make the best decision for this football team when it comes to the draft. In particular, on the offensive side of the football.
You're not just going to plug and play another receiver into Ridley's position in 2024 and get that type of production. The odds are heavily stacked against us in that regard. We can play the "name the price" game all we want.
The reality is that, we're compounding a team that barely managed a .500 record two years in a row with further holes to backfill while also running the risk of Ridley running off to a direct competitor in this conference. It can and will inevitably come back to bite this team on the [BLEEP].
The other side of the coin though is that if you think TLaw is who you think he is, grabbing a young (AND CHEAP) guy of Robinson or Chark's ability should maximize the young WR's potential. Do you throw 15-20M of your cap at a WR who is aging, who didn't elevate the offense any more than it performed without him, or do you use that money to build the line in hopes that your existing commitments in Engram, Kirk, Zay et al are sufficient to maintain or improve?
I don't know the answer. But I do know especially that if we plan to do significant deals with Allen and eventually TLaw, we need to get younger and cheaper at a lot of other positions. If we sign on for 3 years of realistic commitment to Ridley at the expense of our weaker positions, do we just keep repeating the cycle of middling records and frustrating seasons?
Look at the chefs. They kept Kelce, he's a daggum cheat code. Best in the game at his position, no debate. Hill wanted his bag, and they let him walk. Their WR corps is primarily built through the draft. None of them may be clones of Hill, but they get production just the same and oh yeah, they also beat Hill and his new team in the playoffs. The goal shouldn't be to replicate the lost player. It's to find ways to get the job done in spite of the loss of that player.
IMO this is the biggest issue of this offseason. Allen is pretty much a given that we'll do what it takes to keep him around. I think they delay on TLaw at least till preseason or so. But what do they do with Ridley. I can honestly see benefits on either side. Grab the popcorn, folks!
(02-08-2024, 08:24 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2024, 11:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...4833625274
Who comes up with this crap lol
In 2022 there are estimates that over 3 BILLION dollars were wagered on NFL games
The folks setting the lines and many of the folks wagering dig REALLY deep into stats and as a result the number of analytics agencies/sites has exploded.
I think it's kinda cool to find so many insightful stats (even thought there are plenty of pointless stat lines thrown around too)
(02-08-2024, 10:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2024, 08:24 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Who comes up with this crap lol
In 2022 there are estimates that over 3 BILLION dollars were wagered on NFL games
The folks setting the lines and many of the folks wagering dig REALLY deep into stats and as a result the number of analytics agencies/sites has exploded.
I think it's kinda cool to find so many insightful stats (even thought there are plenty of pointless stat lines thrown around too)
I just laugh because there's no standard for the assumptions. Remember the argument on here when Ridley dropped that over the shoulder pass in the end zone?
HE SHOULD"VE CAUGHT IT!
IT WAS OVERTHROWN!
IT HIT HIM IN THE HANDS!
NO, IT HIT HIS FINGERS AT THE FIRST KNUCKLE, THAT'S AN OVERTHROW!!!!
LOL, and then people make and report statistics off of those kinds of subjective foundations.
If it hits your hands a #1 catches it most of the time. He routinely did not.
(02-08-2024, 01:30 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]If it hits your hands a #1 catches it most of the time. He routinely did not.
IT WAS AT THE KNUCKLE!
THE KNUCKLE I SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(02-07-2024, 03:31 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]In no world is he worth paying PLUS losing a 2nd.
If we can work a deal without losing a 2nd - fine.
Highly agree with this.
I'd rather keep the 2nd...keep Zay...and let Ridley walk. Sure he's a good receiver...but the Jags need to add youth and value to that WR room. Someone that will play with Trevor for at least 4 more years.
If we can keep the 2nd...and get Ridley for two years...under 20 million each...I'm good as well, but if this playoff season has taught us anything...we shouldn't need a Calvin Ridley to get to the SB.
Trevor playing smart is way more important.
(02-19-2024, 08:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't really think of this, but if we sign Ridley after he hits free agency, we keep our 2nd round pick.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/espn...nd-jaguars
It's been discussed. If Ridley wants to be here and we want him back they should work out a deal and just sign him the minute FA starts. Ridley should want the team he's going to be with as strong as possible. Our 2nd round pick at 47 should be a starter or our 3rd pass rusher and a important part to this team vs a mid 3rd round pick.
(02-19-2024, 08:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't really think of this, but if we sign Ridley after he hits free agency, we keep our 2nd round pick.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/espn...nd-jaguars
It’s been discussed plenty. The Jags do risk losing him this way (even if they have a handshake deal). I think this happened to Carlos Boozer and the Cavs a while ago. Boozer said he would resign with them after FA started and then he bolted for the Jazz.
My guess is that Baalke told Ridley “we want you but we don’t want to lose the 2nd round pick. So we will give you a big contract right as the new league year starts.” Ridley probably said that he would do that but who knows what other teams might offer. Just like any FA, he’s going to get the most money as possible. If another team offers him more, he’s gone. Then WR becomes a massive need.
(02-19-2024, 08:35 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2024, 08:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't really think of this, but if we sign Ridley after he hits free agency, we keep our 2nd round pick.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/espn...nd-jaguars
It's been discussed. If Ridley wants to be here and we want him back they should work out a deal and just sign him the minute FA starts. Ridley should want the team he's going to be with as strong as possible. Our 2nd round pick at 47 should be a starter or our 3rd pass rusher and a important part to this team vs a mid 3rd round pick.
it's a roll of the dice, but a second round pick is certainly worth the gamble. DarftDuelKings would be so proud of us!
(PS, do not get Calvin to endorse any of those companies)
(02-19-2024, 08:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2024, 08:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't really think of this, but if we sign Ridley after he hits free agency, we keep our 2nd round pick.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/espn...nd-jaguars
It’s been discussed plenty. The Jags do risk losing him this way (even if they have a handshake deal). I think this happened to Carlos Boozer and the Cavs a while ago. Boozer said he would resign with them after FA started and then he bolted for the Jazz.
My guess is that Baalke told Ridley “we want you but we don’t want to lose the 2nd round pick. So we will give you a big contract right as the new league year starts.” Ridley probably said that he would do that but who knows what other teams might offer. Just like any FA, he’s going to get the most money as possible. If another team offers him more, he’s gone. Then WR becomes a massive need.
Dunno that I would even go that far. I would do nothing person-to-person until league year/tampering begins. Don't want to give the lawyas anything to get their claws into. Baalke has publicly stated that we want him here, and that's plenty to suggest that a deal will be offered in time.
(02-19-2024, 09:24 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2024, 08:35 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's been discussed. If Ridley wants to be here and we want him back they should work out a deal and just sign him the minute FA starts. Ridley should want the team he's going to be with as strong as possible. Our 2nd round pick at 47 should be a starter or our 3rd pass rusher and a important part to this team vs a mid 3rd round pick.
it's a roll of the dice, but a second round pick is certainly worth the gamble. DarftDuelKings would be so proud of us!
(PS, do not get Calvin to endorse any of those companies)
(02-19-2024, 08:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It’s been discussed plenty. The Jags do risk losing him this way (even if they have a handshake deal). I think this happened to Carlos Boozer and the Cavs a while ago. Boozer said he would resign with them after FA started and then he bolted for the Jazz.
My guess is that Baalke told Ridley “we want you but we don’t want to lose the 2nd round pick. So we will give you a big contract right as the new league year starts.” Ridley probably said that he would do that but who knows what other teams might offer. Just like any FA, he’s going to get the most money as possible. If another team offers him more, he’s gone. Then WR becomes a massive need.
Dunno that I would even go that far. I would do nothing person-to-person until league year/tampering begins. Don't want to give the lawyas anything to get their claws into. Baalke has publicly stated that we want him here, and that's plenty to suggest that a deal will be offered in time.
Don’t think it’s tampering because he’s technically a Jaguar right now. The new league year hasn’t started.
Could be wrong though.
(02-19-2024, 11:48 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2024, 09:24 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]it's a roll of the dice, but a second round pick is certainly worth the gamble. DarftDuelKings would be so proud of us!
(PS, do not get Calvin to endorse any of those companies)
Dunno that I would even go that far. I would do nothing person-to-person until league year/tampering begins. Don't want to give the lawyas anything to get their claws into. Baalke has publicly stated that we want him here, and that's plenty to suggest that a deal will be offered in time.
Don’t think it’s tampering because he’s technically a Jaguar right now. The new league year hasn’t started.
Could be wrong though.
Correct, he's under contract until the 13th of March. He's permitted to talk to other team's beginning the 11th, but the Jaguars can talk to him at will from now until then.
(02-19-2024, 12:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2024, 11:48 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t think it’s tampering because he’s technically a Jaguar right now. The new league year hasn’t started.
Could be wrong though.
Correct, he's under contract until the 13th of March. He's permitted to talk to other team's beginning the 11th, but the Jaguars can talk to him at will from now until then.
If I were Ridley and the Jags did not fix the o-line I would rather be somewhere else anyways...
(02-19-2024, 01:02 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2024, 12:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Correct, he's under contract until the 13th of March. He's permitted to talk to other team's beginning the 11th, but the Jaguars can talk to him at will from now until then.
If I were Ridley and the Jags did not fix the o-line I would rather be somewhere else anyways...
The problem is he likely ends up with a team in worse shape or in a bad city/state. There's a lot worse places to be that with the Jaguars.