Quote:I'm not getting the idea that Olson's experience is a positive because he knows how to work with bad teams.
Are we admitting that we're not just young, as the party line seemed to indicate last season, but fundamentally bad? What party of OIson's complete inability to produce winning seasons for these bad teams indicate that he's good at working with them?
I also don't get the notion that Gase is a whiff because he had Manning to work with.
Are we admitting that Bortles is not a good QB, who just needed a year to 'mature', as the party line seemed to indicate last season? I thought the general consensus was that Fisch was a hindrance to Bortles, and we needed an OC who could let Blake be the franchise QB he was supposed to be. What part of Olson's complete inability to produce production out of Gabbert indicates that he's good at working with bad QBs?
Also, isn't it possible that the teams Olson's been associated with were bad, in part, because of Olson? People are looking at the Gabbert fiasco as something that has depressed Olson's stats. Couldn't we just as easily say that Olson was a major contributor to Gabbert's collapse from potential to the worst QB in the league?
All I know is, from my reaction to this news, I've realized that I don't think I can take another awful season. I really don't know how to take it if Oehser starts calling it the "5 year rebuild". I don't know what will happen if this rebuild fails.
Any OC can work with a good team. What is being admitted? It's not like he's going to get worse as a coordinator the better his players get. As for the Gabbert comment, just check out
the 2012 roster. That's some roster.
Quote:And now its rumored that Chicago is leaning towards hiring Charlie Weis over Gase on 1010xl.
Note to MrGase: Do not tell interviewers that Manning was calling plays not you. :teehee:
Quote:His track record as an OC is directly impacted by the talent he had to work with. You get that, right? What talent did he have in Oakland?
Look at what he did with Bulger in St. Louis as their OC back in 2006.
I think jumping to any sort of judgment while the ink is still wet on the contract and not a play has been called in Jacksonville seems a little silly, but that's just me. If he turns out to be a decent OC here in Jax because he's got the talent to work with, I'm sure everyone will continue to complain.
Every argument people can make in favor of Olson can logically be used to defend Fisch. What talent did Fisch have to work with in year one? Then you give him an offense half filled by rookies. Maybe we should hire Fisch because he's proven nothing too.
Why are people acting like having a top 10 offense, which was actually in regression from previous years, with hall of famers and super bowl champions on it, is actually an accomplishment? Bulger wasn't a terrible QB. He was an average QB who played average under Olson.
Quote:Note to MrGase: Do not tell interviewers that Manning was calling plays not you. :teehee:
I don't think he'd have to bother telling the guy in Chicago what was happening in Denver. John Fox knows.
Quote:So he has a decent track record at developing QBs... He'd make a great quarterbacks coach.
His track record as offensive coordinator - not so good.
gus said." We're considering guys for oc who had bad qb play in their pasts who we feel are a good fit".
I'm sure it's more complicated than just "that".
But I personally do believe our food guys left no stone unturned before choosing this guy and therefore they believe he's "the guy".
Fact is. We won't know till next season begins
Quote:Every argument people can make in favor of Olson can logically be used to defend Fisch. What talent did Fisch have to work with in year one? Then you give him an offense half filled by rookies. Maybe we should hire Fisch because he's proven nothing too.
Why are people acting like having a top 10 offense, which was actually in regression from previous years, with hall of famers and super bowl champions on it, is actually an accomplishment? Bulger wasn't a terrible QB. He was an average QB who played average under Olson.
Are you saying the talent level at this point isn't better than it was in year 1 under Fisch? Really?
Remember, I was in the camp that didn't think they'd fire Fisch because he was hamstrung by a very young roster this year. The talent was there, but needed time to develop. Now, he didn't help his case if reports are correct that he was belittling his QB, and I think that's probably at least a factor in why he's the FORMER offensive coordinator here.
Average QBs put up more than 4,300 yards passing, and 24 touchdowns? If that's what you identify as average, I'll take that every year from a Jaguars QB.
I know someone mentioned this before but for all those complaining. It could be worse we could be the brownies.
<a class="" href='https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter'><b>Adam Schefter</b> <span> <span>@AdamSchefter </span> </span> </a> · <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/557927372918636544' title="7:47 AM - 21 Jan 2015"> <span>41m 41 minutes ago </a> </span>
<p class="">Browns hiring former Raiders QB coach John DeFilippo as their offensive coordinator, as <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/alexmarvez'>@<b>alexmarvez</b></a> reported.
Quote:Interesting tidbit:
Not really anything new. His work with Brees and Freeman were cited as reasons for his hiring here as the QB coach to "fix" Blaine.
Quote:And now its rumored that Chicago is leaning towards hiring Charlie Weis over Gase on 1010xl.
Yeesh. Maybe he goes back to being a QB coach or assistant.
Quote:Are you saying the talent level at this point isn't better than it was in year 1 under Fisch? Really?
Remember, I was in the camp that didn't think they'd fire Fisch because he was hamstrung by a very young roster this year. The talent was there, but needed time to develop. Now, he didn't help his case if reports are correct that he was belittling his QB, and I think that's probably at least a factor in why he's the FORMER offensive coordinator here.
Average QBs put up more than 4,300 yards passing, and 24 touchdowns? If that's what you identify as average, I'll take that every year from a Jaguars QB.
I said he had an offense full of rookies this year, not that there wasn't talent. I can defend Fisch all day using the same logic that people defend Olson with.
David Garrard put up similar numbers to Bulger and I wouldn't exactly call Garrard an all star.
The fact that you would take 24 touchdowns every year from a Jags QB says a lot about the state of this franchise considering the top quarterbacks in the league are throwing double that.
Quote:Any OC can work with a good team. What is being admitted? It's not like he's going to get worse as a coordinator the better his players get. As for the Gabbert comment, just check out <a class="bbc_url" href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Jacksonville_Jaguars_season'>the 2012 roster</a>. That's some roster.
lol ikr?
I'm thinking if we improve our roster...
and get better play out of the guys we keep..
we're gonna win some games...
score A LOT MORE POINTS TOO!
MY BIGGEST concern is if these guys get Bortles to play like he did in his first few games with improved mechanics.
I think that's the trump card over all of this.
IF Bortles gets hot?
We will win and be happy fans.
IF NOT..we will loose and hate the while
Quote:How did Gabbert do in San Francisco?
I'm of the opinion that the Jags broke Gabbert, in more ways than one. We've been called a QB killer before. If that's true, then Olson's a guy who had a finger on the trigger. Jebus, help us if he turns Bortles into a washup too.
Quote:I'm of the opinion that the Jags broke Gabbert, in more ways than one. We've been called a QB killer before. If that's true, then Olson's a guy who had a finger on the trigger. Jebus, help us if he turns Bortles into a washup too.
I'm trying to think of how the Jags would be known as QB killers. Garrard did well. Brunell did well. Leftwich broke his ankle which, in my opinion, seemed to end his career as a starter. Gabbert just isn't NFL material (with hindsight).
Quote:I'm of the opinion that the Jags broke Gabbert, in more ways than one. We've been called a QB killer before. If that's true, then Olson's a guy who had a finger on the trigger. Jebus, help us if he turns Bortles into a washup too.
I think that's where Marron steps in. I don't believe it was the QB coach that killed Blaine, but the oline. Blake, like any QB, will benefit from solid oline play
Quote:I'm of the opinion that the Jags broke Gabbert, in more ways than one. We've been called a QB killer before. If that's true, then Olson's a guy who had a finger on the trigger. Jebus, help us if he turns Bortles into a washup too.
You've got to be trolling.
Besides Marino, what other QBs have the Jags killed?
And Gabbert had his best year under Olson, so I'm not sure how he was the one who pulled the trigger on "breaking" Gabbert.
Quote:Besides Marino, what other QBs have the Jags killed?
I think he means we kill our own QBs.