Quote:Players not plays. It will remain true.
Going by the logic of some of you, the stars must've aligned in a manner that every OC that ever worked for Manning, Brees, Brady, etc were coincidentally great.
Let's let it play out. Bortles is the vast majority of the equation, followed by the rest of the offense. The OC is minor.
Remember when people were calling for Koetters head? He heads to Atlanta and Ryan tears it up.
Quote:Remember when people were calling for Koetters head? He heads to Atlanta and Ryan tears it up.
Exactly. Time for everyone to take a breath and do what we are good at. Drinking beer, eating chicken wings, and watching what happens!
Quote:We don't hold an exclusive when it comes to having fans who think they have crystal balls predicting doom for every move a team makes. It's a league-wide phenomenon for sure. It's what fans do. As you've pointed out, there were a lot of hires that were questioned by the crystal ball fans that turned out to be pretty good.
I'd love to have seen some people's expert opinion had Tom Coughlin been hired as head coach...this year..with the resume he had when we originally hired him.
Quote:Yikes man....
Browns are probably regretting letting Belicheck go.... Seahawks probably didn't like Caroll right away....
Lions fans probably were mad this year when Caldwell was hired because of how bad things got in Indy... now look.
Exactly. Immediate judgment isn't always right. There are more than enough examples to be used as lessons, but people still do it because they want to claim down the road that they were the first to hate this move or that. If they're wrong about something, they simply move on and hope nobody remembers. If they're right, the drag that around like it's some sort of championship belt that's going to get them free drinks anywhere they go.
Quote:I'd love to have seen some people's expert opinion had Tom Coughlin been hired as head coach...this year..with the resume he had when we originally hired him.
I remember the conversation being pretty much centered around "Who?" There were big name candidates who the fans would have preferred, including the guy who coached our USFL team who was still living here locally, Lindy Infante. Fans loved the guy and were pushing hard for him to be considered. In the end, we got the right guy for the job. There were still many, including quite a few on this board who complained about Coughlin right up to the moment he was fired. Then, after he was fired, and they found out the grass wasn't necessarily greener on the other side, they opine the days of TC lurking the sidelines looking like he was about to blow a gasket.
I wasn't part of the Fire Coughlin brigade at the time. In fact, I thought he did some of his best coaching toward the end of his tenure here in Jax. Naturally, the knee jerk folks were placated and Coughlin was fired. So, I was clearly wrong for thinking he deserved another year. What do I know?
We'll just forget that when asked, Weaver said the biggest mistake he ever made as an owner was firing Coughlin.
Quote:So...Bortles is a combination of two QBs that the Jaguars strangely clipped late in the preseason cause they were just not good enough. Behind a new offensive line coach that literally just walked out the door on his HC job...for a "challenging" OL job. Coached by an OC that has averaged in the mid-20s offensive ranking for the entirety of his coaching career.
I will say this, when the 2015 season starts I am definitely looking forward to future posts from a Mr. Positive, team-supporting-at-all-costs, who-wakes-up-every-morning-taking-a-shower-in-jaguars-koolaid moderator.
He has some of the traits of both QBs. He's also better than either guy.
I'm a little disturbed that you're thinking about me showering, but hey, whatever floats your boat, sweetheart. I guess that's how they do things in your fan base. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I'd like to see Olson succeed for once. But there's not much to give confidence in this hire. The raiders had the second lowest scoring offense, and the fewest offensive yards of any team. Personnel of course was somewhat to blame. The Raiders have a lot of catching up to do as far as Offense goes. But additionally the "Blame Gabbert" bit has me concerned about Olson. He kind of burned bridges there with that. So I really hope I'm wrong about this. I just don't see much reason for confidence in this hire.
Good luck to Greg Olson, and I hope he can create an offense that's Top 20. It'd be nice to see.
Someone mentioned they wanted an oc with a proven track record of success...
Life tresman? Dude had probowlers all over the offense and still failed... yes, he also had a history of success with other qbs, but this is a what have you done lately league...
Just saying, we may be under whelmed by Olson, but he's got experience, and considering where carr was drafted, maybe we give him a few months before we freak out.
Trust me, I'll be all over him if he stinks, I was one of the bigger critics of fish...
I just think we shouldn't over react.. at least not yet
Quote:I'd like to see Olson succeed for once. But there's not much to give confidence in this hire. The raiders had the second lowest scoring offense, and the fewest offensive yards of any team. Personnel of course was somewhat to blame. The Raiders have a lot of catching up to do as far as Offense goes. But additionally the "Blame Gabbert" bit has me concerned about Olson. He kind of burned bridges there with that. So I really hope I'm wrong about this. I just don't see much reason for confidence in this hire.
Good luck to Greg Olson, and I hope he can create an offense that's Top 20. It'd be nice to see.
Personnel was "somewhat" to blame? Seriously? If by somewhat, you mean the overwhelming majority of their issues were tied to a lack of real talent, then yes, somewhat.
Clearly he didn't burn any bridges.
Quote:I'd like to see Olson succeed for once. But there's not much to give confidence in this hire. The raiders had the second lowest scoring offense, and the fewest offensive yards of any team. Personnel of course was somewhat to blame. The Raiders have a lot of catching up to do as far as Offense goes. But additionally the "Blame Gabbert" bit has me concerned about Olson. He kind of burned bridges there with that. So I really hope I'm wrong about this. I just don't see much reason for confidence in this hire.
Good luck to Greg Olson, and I hope he can create an offense that's Top 20. It'd be nice to see.
I'm willing to concede that Olson was handicapped by a dearth of talent on the Oakland roster. It's not like he was working with All-Pros over there and I feel rather confident that the culture in that building wasn't the best at coddling together a team spirit.
One other thing that I'd like to point out is that coaches can take on the mentality of the staff just like players can. From what I could observe from Mularkey and a few other staff members, it wouldn't surprise me if Olson was simply doing what he felt was expected of him with that "Blame Gabbert" quip. I'm not saying it definitively
is true, just that it wouldn't surprise me.
As I stated in another thread - Olson has a track record of getting production out of quarterbacks with less upside than Bortles. (Bulger, Freeman)
I'm cool with seeing where that takes us.
Also - the 3 or 4 interviews I've seen with him in years past gave me a good impression about his demeanor. Time will tell. I'm in no hurry to judge the hire.
Quote:Which is why i am very skeptical if this comes true. How come we always do this in JAX? Our best season ever in 1999, didnt we have Dom Capers as DC? I forget who the OC was..... Gilbride? 2 established names.
I just wanted to say that I love your avatar picture. Hahaha
Quote:*conditioned to mediocrity...
Wilson threw exactly 20 tds this year. No one wants him and his mediocrity... right?
Quote:As I stated in another thread - Olson has a track record of getting production out of quarterbacks with less upside than Bortles. (Bulger, Freeman)
I'm cool with seeing where that takes us.
Also - the 3 or 4 interviews I've sen with him in years past gave me a good impression about his demeanor. Time will tell. I'm in no hurry to judge the hire.
Bulger? Yes, but he also had Bruce, Holt, and Jackson (who caught a ridiculous 90 receptions) in the only year where Olson's offense was actually good. The following year, Bruce was no longer Bruce, SJax had a "normal" year, and Bulger became...well, Bulger.
As for Freeman? Hindsight its easy to dismiss him, but the guy was big, strong, cannon arm, and mobile. From a physical standpoint, he as as good if not better prospect than Blake. He just turned out to have some personality issues that prevented him from reaching his potential (after some early success). Thankfully, it looks like Blake has the right mental make-up.
As far as being "cool to see where this takes us".
Well uh...we don't have much of a choice, do we?
Quote:Someone mentioned they wanted an oc with a proven track record of success...
Life tresman? Dude had probowlers all over the offense and still failed... yes, he also had a history of success with other qbs, but this is a what have you done lately league...
Just saying, we may be under whelmed by Olson, but he's got experience, and considering where carr was drafted, maybe we give him a few months before we freak out.
Trust me, I'll be all over him if he stinks, I was one of the bigger critics of fish...
I just think we shouldn't over react.. at least not yet
Wow... So Trestman's entire history of successful offenses are completely discredited because his last season he finished statistically middle of the pack? The dude has multiple CFL championships and coach of the year awards and has led more than a few NFL offenses to the top of the pyramid, statistically. Just the season prior he lead the Bears, who have been notoriously bad on offense until his hiring, to the second highest scoring team in the NFL.
I'm not saying Trestman is a great coordinator, as its been stated that his playcalling becomes predictable, but he has a proven record of success.
Quote:Bulger? Yes, but he also had Bruce, Holt, and Jackson (who caught a ridiculous 90 receptions) in the only year where Olson's offense was actually good. The following year, Bruce was no longer Bruce, SJax had a "normal" year, and Bulger became...well, Bulger.
As for Freeman? Hindsight its easy to dismiss him, but the guy was big, strong, cannon arm, and mobile. From a physical standpoint, he as as good if not better prospect than Blake. He just turned out to have some personality issues that prevented him from reaching his potential (after some early success). Thankfully, it looks like Blake has the right mental make-up.
As far as being "cool to see where this takes us".
Well uh...we don't have much of a choice, do we?
I didn't dismiss Freeman at all. I think he's a decent comparison to Bortles - when discussing Olson's role. I could have said "equal" upside I suppose, but that's just how I see the two from a "prospect" perspective.
Of course we don't have much choice, but that doesn't stop the masses from endless whining on the topic. I'm simply stating that I'm not inclined to do so, and I'm at least somewhat optimistic.
Quote:Bulger? Yes, but he also had Bruce, Holt, and Jackson (who caught a ridiculous 90 receptions) in the only year where Olson's offense was actually good. The following year, Bruce was no longer Bruce, SJax had a "normal" year, and Bulger became...well, Bulger.
As for Freeman? Hindsight its easy to dismiss him, but the guy was big, strong, cannon arm, and mobile. From a physical standpoint, he as as good if not better prospect than Blake. He just turned out to have some personality issues that prevented him from reaching his potential (after some early success). Thankfully, it looks like Blake has the right mental make-up.
As far as being "cool to see where this takes us".
Well uh...we don't have much of a choice, do we?
So, what you're saying is that it's not necessarily the play calling that breeds offensive success. It's the talent?
What a novel concept.
Quote:Wilson threw exactly 20 tds this year. No one wants him and his mediocrity... right?
- Apples to oranges
- Making up something out of nothing
- Comprehension
Just some thoughts that come to mind...
Quote:- Apples to oranges
- Making up something out of nothing
- Comprehension
Just some thoughts that come to mind...
You've just summed up this board in 3 lines.
Well done sir!
Quote:So, what you're saying is that it's not necessarily the play calling that breeds offensive success. It's the talent?
What a novel concept.
Except I didn't say that.
Its obviously easier to produce when you have premier players. I'm not sure we've seen Olson really do that. It's one thing if he managed to make his offenses middle of the pack. He really hasn't, other than the one year where he did have the horses to have a good offense.
So given that what we have here are a bunch of 2nd year players...well, let's just say I'm not expecting much. Barring the signing of a veteran who could command attention at the WR position (which would be highly unexpected), I think we're in line for a mid-20s finish.
Hurrah...we won't be last place.