(11-29-2023, 02:14 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2023, 01:57 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen and Calais Campbell are the only players in franchise history to have 2 games with atleast 3 sacks.
Only 6 players in franchise history have registered 3 sacks in a single game:
Campbell
Spicer
Allen
Clemons
Pritchett
Henderson
Allen registered 3 sacks against Indy and 3 sacks against Atlanta, he almost made history against Houston. If he would have had half a sack that would given him 3 games with 3 sacks all in the same season.
No other Jaguar has ever done that.
We may never see this type of season again. I hope he gets to 19 or 20
The Jaguars could make NFL history by having the richest offensive player and richest defensive player in NFL history.
The Chiefs already had that in Mahomes and Chris Jones in 2022.
You must have thought I typed the Jaguars would be the first team to do this. Tuff guy.
Does he end up with 15+ to take the franchise record? 12 with 6 to play.
(11-29-2023, 06:54 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Does he end up with 15+ to take the franchise record? 12 with 6 to play.
Yes. If not, there will be disappointment with how he closed out the season. Or Walker better have been on a tear during that span.
If he stays healthy I’m sure he will. 5/6 are backups or rookies who’ll hold the ball, Lamar even takes sacks scrambling around.
To your point, he should get them unless someone else starts taking them away.
(11-29-2023, 05:54 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2023, 02:14 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The Chiefs already had that in Mahomes and Chris Jones in 2022.
You must have thought I typed the Jaguars would be the first team to do this. Tuff guy.
So what did you mean by “make NFL history”?
If someone else has already done it, why would it make history?
1. Allen gets his bag. I'm sick of us not paying for talent we acquired. How do you build a Jaguar Way if you don't keep your ballers???
2. Ridley is a nice addition. But Zay Jones, when he was healthy was much more reliable. Franchise Tag Ridley and make him prove it. Plus we have Christian, Zay, and Engram for 2024. This would be the sneaky best Reciever corpse in the NFL.
3. Alukoun - his terms are coming due. And he's worth every penny. Allen is great. But Alukoun is the man that makes the LB's and DL sync. There's a reason our Rush D is top 4 in the league. There's a reason Allen and Walker eat. And it's Alukoun. He needs to be kept, and it's gonna cost us 13 Million.
4. The rest of our D for 2024 is under rookie contract or not up untill 2025...
2025 will be the year we are probably gonna lose players we don't want to lose... Unless we get some sort of hometown discount.
All this bloviating is only to say that there is no reason that Baalke should not be able to re-sign Allen. If I was Baalke, I'd front load 2024 so he gets paid, and then give him ample incentives to prove he's worthy of the next 3 years of the contract. If he underperforms in 2024, we can drop him without a big cap hit, while still giving Allen an opportunity to move on if he become a Yannick type diva.
(11-29-2023, 08:50 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]1. Allen gets his bag. I'm sick of us not paying for talent we acquired. How do you build a Jaguar Way if you don't keep your ballers???
2. Ridley is a nice addition. But Zay Jones, when he was healthy was much more reliable. Franchise Tag Ridley and make him prove it. Plus we have Christian, Zay, and Engram for 2024. This would be the sneaky best Reciever corpse in the NFL.
3. Alukoun - his terms are coming due. And he's worth every penny. Allen is great. But Alukoun is the man that makes the LB's and DL sync. There's a reason our Rush D is top 4 in the league. There's a reason Allen and Walker eat. And it's Alukoun. He needs to be kept, and it's gonna cost us 13 Million.
4. The rest of our D for 2024 is under rookie contract or not up untill 2025...
2025 will be the year we are probably gonna lose players we don't want to lose... Unless we get some sort of hometown discount.
All this bloviating is only to say that there is no reason that Baalke should not be able to re-sign Allen. If I was Baalke, I'd front load 2024 so he gets paid, and then give him ample incentives to prove he's worthy of the next 3 years of the contract. If he underperforms in 2024, we can drop him without a big cap hit, while still giving Allen an opportunity to move on if he become a Yannick type diva.
Give the man his money. His effort and leadership are elite, players feed off it.
(11-29-2023, 08:50 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]1. Allen gets his bag. I'm sick of us not paying for talent we acquired. How do you build a Jaguar Way if you don't keep your ballers???
2. Ridley is a nice addition. But Zay Jones, when he was healthy was much more reliable. Franchise Tag Ridley and make him prove it. Plus we have Christian, Zay, and Engram for 2024. This would be the sneaky best Reciever corpse in the NFL.
3. Alukoun - his terms are coming due. And he's worth every penny. Allen is great. But Alukoun is the man that makes the LB's and DL sync. There's a reason our Rush D is top 4 in the league. There's a reason Allen and Walker eat. And it's Alukoun. He needs to be kept, and it's gonna cost us 13 Million.
4. The rest of our D for 2024 is under rookie contract or not up untill 2025...
2025 will be the year we are probably gonna lose players we don't want to lose... Unless we get some sort of hometown discount.
All this bloviating is only to say that there is no reason that Baalke should not be able to re-sign Allen. If I was Baalke, I'd front load 2024 so he gets paid, and then give him ample incentives to prove he's worthy of the next 3 years of the contract. If he underperforms in 2024, we can drop him without a big cap hit, while still giving Allen an opportunity to move on if he become a Yannick type diva.
Weren't you the guy claiming Allen doesn't deserve the payday and wouldn't sniff 15 mil per?
(11-30-2023, 11:24 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2023, 08:50 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]1. Allen gets his bag. I'm sick of us not paying for talent we acquired. How do you build a Jaguar Way if you don't keep your ballers???
2. Ridley is a nice addition. But Zay Jones, when he was healthy was much more reliable. Franchise Tag Ridley and make him prove it. Plus we have Christian, Zay, and Engram for 2024. This would be the sneaky best Reciever corpse in the NFL.
3. Alukoun - his terms are coming due. And he's worth every penny. Allen is great. But Alukoun is the man that makes the LB's and DL sync. There's a reason our Rush D is top 4 in the league. There's a reason Allen and Walker eat. And it's Alukoun. He needs to be kept, and it's gonna cost us 13 Million.
4. The rest of our D for 2024 is under rookie contract or not up untill 2025...
2025 will be the year we are probably gonna lose players we don't want to lose... Unless we get some sort of hometown discount.
All this bloviating is only to say that there is no reason that Baalke should not be able to re-sign Allen. If I was Baalke, I'd front load 2024 so he gets paid, and then give him ample incentives to prove he's worthy of the next 3 years of the contract. If he underperforms in 2024, we can drop him without a big cap hit, while still giving Allen an opportunity to move on if he become a Yannick type diva.
Weren't you the guy claiming Allen doesn't deserve the payday and wouldn't sniff 15 mil per?
It was worse actually. He said 10-15 million and lots of other, ummm, well, he said things.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1573013
Quote:I'd pay Josh Allen what he's worth. A mid Edge Rusher and a top level interior lineman. Give him incentives and increase his pay by the cost of living. Just like all of us get. 10 million per year to 15 million per year. That's a nice little increase for a guy that is a Jaguar and we love, but isn't a real deal Edge Rusher that teams fear.
Dude's not elite. Don't get it twisted. Remember when some of you all were wanting to give Jawaan Taylor all the monies? The "good" Josh Allen is similar. Not to say he's trash. He's a good player and a great Locker Room guy. But you don't overpay for a guy that isn't elite now and won't ever be elite.
(11-30-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 11:24 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Weren't you the guy claiming Allen doesn't deserve the payday and wouldn't sniff 15 mil per?
It was worse actually. He said 10-15 million and lots of other, ummm, well, he said things.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1573013
Quote:I'd pay Josh Allen what he's worth. A mid Edge Rusher and a top level interior lineman. Give him incentives and increase his pay by the cost of living. Just like all of us get. 10 million per year to 15 million per year. That's a nice little increase for a guy that is a Jaguar and we love, but isn't a real deal Edge Rusher that teams fear.
Dude's not elite. Don't get it twisted. Remember when some of you all were wanting to give Jawaan Taylor all the monies? The "good" Josh Allen is similar. Not to say he's trash. He's a good player and a great Locker Room guy. But you don't overpay for a guy that isn't elite now and won't ever be elite.
Omg hahahaha
"Won't ever be elite" hahahahah
(10-15-2023, 05:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 04:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting 7 sacks thru 6 games at on this roster or elsewhere then, genius?
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LOL, somewhere else?
Allen shows up in blowouts. He's invisible when it matters.
We let Yannick go, and he was more productive than Allen. And let's face it... Nobody misses Yannick. Why do you think you'd miss Allen? Just for the memes??? c'mon. Be objective. He's good. He's not top 5 Edge Rusher good. Pay him 15 Million and incentives. But if he wants 20? Let him walk and pay your LBers and Secondary. Then draft a better Edge Rusher....
sheeeeeeesh
(11-30-2023, 12:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It was worse actually. He said 10-15 million and lots of other, ummm, well, he said things.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1573013
Omg hahahaha
"Won't ever be elite" hahahahah
(10-15-2023, 05:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]LOL, somewhere else?
Allen shows up in blowouts. He's invisible when it matters.
We let Yannick go, and he was more productive than Allen. And let's face it... Nobody misses Yannick. Why do you think you'd miss Allen? Just for the memes??? c'mon. Be objective. He's good. He's not top 5 Edge Rusher good. Pay him 15 Million and incentives. But if he wants 20? Let him walk and pay your LBers and Secondary. Then draft a better Edge Rusher....
sheeeeeeesh
That damn Press Taylor been in here posting for him.
(11-30-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 11:24 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Weren't you the guy claiming Allen doesn't deserve the payday and wouldn't sniff 15 mil per?
It was worse actually. He said 10-15 million and lots of other, ummm, well, he said things.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1573013
Quote:I'd pay Josh Allen what he's worth. A mid Edge Rusher and a top level interior lineman. Give him incentives and increase his pay by the cost of living. Just like all of us get. 10 million per year to 15 million per year. That's a nice little increase for a guy that is a Jaguar and we love, but isn't a real deal Edge Rusher that teams fear.
Dude's not elite. Don't get it twisted. Remember when some of you all were wanting to give Jawaan Taylor all the monies? The "good" Josh Allen is similar. Not to say he's trash. He's a good player and a great Locker Room guy. But you don't overpay for a guy that isn't elite now and won't ever be elite.
New Information requires new analysis.
I'm pretty sure I can find quotes from you that are just as incorrect. I'm sorry that I have an open mind, I'm sorry if that offends you.
(11-30-2023, 05:03 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It was worse actually. He said 10-15 million and lots of other, ummm, well, he said things.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1573013
New Information requires new analysis.
I'm pretty sure I can find quotes from you that are just as incorrect. I'm sorry that I have an open mind, I'm sorry if that offends you.
In the words of my generation.
Nahhh deadass bro tripping fr ong
(11-30-2023, 05:03 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It was worse actually. He said 10-15 million and lots of other, ummm, well, he said things.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1573013
New Information requires new analysis.
I'm pretty sure I can find quotes from you that are just as incorrect. I'm sorry that I have an open mind, I'm sorry if that offends you.
You having horribly uninformed opinions like this one concerning Josh Allen doesn't offend me at all.
You getting chippy with those who seek to inform you of how and why those opinions are poorly formed is a bit annoying at times.
Glad you've adjusted your perspective after acquiring more information.
Allen, in a contract year has done enough for me to change my mind. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Garrard or Bortles, get his bag and then wind up like they did. But if he keeps going like this, there's no reason not to sign him to a top 10 Pass Rushing deal.
When I made my previous comments, it was not as though Josh Allen was playing like a top 10 Edge rusher. For [BLEEP] sake, those quotes of mine were from back in October. Josh Allen was basically eating against weak opponents and not showing up against the tougher teams. This was also the concern about Allen for his entire time here since he was a rookie. He was considerably inconsistent.
So now, now that I think he's actually a good player to keep, I'm the [BLEEP]? LOL Excuse me for being skeptical about a Jaguar on the last year of his contract before free agency. I mean, we've never been burned by over paying a player on the last year of thier contract, right?
Give me a break. This is just another example of moderator trolls trying to poke me into getting upset. It won't work. I stand by my opinion in October. I also am happy that I've been able to change my mind based on how well Allen has been playing for the last 6 games. It's clear that Walker and Allen together should be a great thing to have.
Why is it that because I've recognized that, that I'm the [BLEEP]? LOL. Again, It's just trolling at this point. Imagine if I had enough time to go back and call out everyone else's opinions that were incorrect. Grow up, guys. Honestly, I'm not that important that these moderators are going back and reading through posts I made 2 months ago.
While I'm flattered, it's really not necessary.
(11-30-2023, 05:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Allen, in a contract year has done enough for me to change my mind. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Garrard or Bortles, get his bag and then wind up like they did. But if he keeps going like this, there's no reason not to sign him to a top 10 Pass Rushing deal.
When I made my previous comments, it was not as though Josh Allen was playing like a top 10 Edge rusher. For [BLEEP] sake, those quotes of mine were from back in October. Josh Allen was basically eating against weak opponents and not showing up against the tougher teams. This was also the concern about Allen for his entire time here since he was a rookie. He was considerably inconsistent.
So now, now that I think he's actually a good player to keep, I'm the [BLEEP]? LOL Excuse me for being skeptical about a Jaguar on the last year of his contract before free agency. I mean, we've never been burned by over paying a player on the last year of thier contract, right?
Give me a break. This is just another example of moderator trolls trying to poke me into getting upset. It won't work. I stand by my opinion in October. I also am happy that I've been able to change my mind based on how well Allen has been playing for the last 6 games. It's clear that Walker and Allen together should be a great thing to have.
Why is it that because I've recognized that, that I'm the [BLEEP]? LOL. Again, It's just trolling at this point. Imagine if I had enough time to go back and call out everyone else's opinions that were incorrect. Grow up, guys. Honestly, I'm not that important that these moderators are going back and reading through posts I made 2 months ago.
While I'm flattered, it's really not necessary.
To the bolded:
This is a football message board.
Posters are made aware of their prior posts' inaccuracies
all the time. You are not special in this regard and it has zero to do with anyone being a mod. You were initially called on this by a non mod. Not me. I merely provided context from only 3 pages ago in the same thread. If you aren't OK with being held accountable to your own over-confidently stated opinions - then you should choose your words more carefully and edit some of the cavalier nature out of the ill informed statements.
About 40% of this message board actually wanted to re-sign Allen last offseason when he would have been cheaper - that's because fans dug into his performance beyond sack production and valued the contributions they discovered.
Your analysis was lazy and displayed a severe lack of knowledge regarding Allen's effectiveness in pressuring opposing QBs into incomplete passes throughout what some fans labeled "disappearance"
(11-29-2023, 08:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2023, 05:54 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]You must have thought I typed the Jaguars would be the first team to do this. Tuff guy.
So what did you mean by “make NFL history”?
If someone else has already done it, why would it make history?
A qb makes nfl history by having the most passing yards. Along comes another qb and makes nfl history by having more passion yards. Both QBs made NFL History. Just like your question just made NFL history by being the toughest tuff guy question of all time.
I’m still waiting on you to respond as to why the worst team CAN hang 40 on the best NFL team. You was too tuff to speak on it, finkle.
So what did you mean by not understanding what making nfl history meant?
(11-30-2023, 06:41 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2023, 08:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So what did you mean by “make NFL history”?
If someone else has already done it, why would it make history?
A qb makes nfl history by having the most passing yards. Along comes another qb and makes nfl history by having more passion yards. Both QBs made NFL History. Just like your question just made NFL history by being the toughest tuff guy question of all time.
I’m still waiting on you to respond as to why the worst team CAN hang 40 on the best NFL team. You was too tuff to speak on it, finkle.
So what did you mean by not understanding what making nfl history meant?
Listen, I appreciate that you're the stats guy, but sometimes you go way too hard in the paint with some really, really odd takes.