You angry today bro?
Maybe I'm wrong, no need for drafted players to become useful... it's worked so far..
(03-07-2024, 09:28 AM)VillagerChris Wrote: [ -> ]You angry today bro?
Maybe I'm wrong, no need for drafted players to become useful... it's worked so far..
I think the point was you first have to DRAFT players, for drafted players to become useful.
Right - Baalke hasn't been at the helm for very long in the grand scheme of things, but at some point he has to draft some receiving talent to manage cap at the position properly. Can't ride FA every year. Not sustainable.
Would love to see him get one that falls (in any of the early rounds) in this draft - this is ASSUMING he gets at least one of our big ugly needs sorted in free agency.
(03-07-2024, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Right - Baalke hasn't been at the helm for very long in the grand scheme of things, but at some point he has to draft some receiving talent to manage cap at the position properly. Can't ride FA every year. Not sustainable.
Would love to see him get one that falls (in any of the early rounds) in this draft - this is ASSUMING he gets at least one of our big ugly needs sorted in free agency.
Parker Washington looks like a late round steal as a slot guy and possesion receiver that can also return kicks/punts. Not sure if he has any upside as a WR2 or flanker/Z Receiver but he's only in his 2nd year. I think we should be spending mid round picks on the skill positions each year and keep drafting linemen early since the trenches is the more difficult area to replace
(03-07-2024, 01:45 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Right - Baalke hasn't been at the helm for very long in the grand scheme of things, but at some point he has to draft some receiving talent to manage cap at the position properly. Can't ride FA every year. Not sustainable.
Would love to see him get one that falls (in any of the early rounds) in this draft - this is ASSUMING he gets at least one of our big ugly needs sorted in free agency.
Parker Washington looks like a late round steal as a slot guy and possesion receiver that can also return kicks/punts. Not sure if he has any upside as a WR2 or flanker/Z Receiver but he's only in his 2nd year. I think we should be spending mid round picks on the skill positions each year and keep drafting linemen early since the trenches is the more difficult area to replace
Agreed. Have always been a believer in drafting and getting the big guys early and then backfilling around that once you get to RD4 and later with skill positions.
You don't have to do this EVERY year, but, it needs to be a foundational protocol that you follow until your starting core of six to seven (five lineman on offense and one or two interior lineman on defense) are competent, confident and consistent.
You then add quality depth so you can keep moving and plugging away when and where needed. This should have been the approach from the giddy up the moment this franchise lucked itself into Trevor Lawrence.
You get a generational talent, a winner, at the most premium and important position in this sport or any sport for that matter in general and you chose to build the complete opposite. It's now year four, and, well, you reap what you sow.
This SHOULD bother most fans, and it SHOULD rile up the hard working, loyal and season ticket owning fans. Because there's been countless, historical evidence of teams doing this and failing miserably. With two teams doing this within our division.
The tinhorns did this to David Carr.
The clots did this to Andrew Luck.
(03-07-2024, 09:17 AM)VillagerChris Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 09:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]LOL. Which one? We've drafted the following receivers since 2020.
Colin Johnson - Gone
Laviska Shenault Jr. - Gone
Jalen Camp - Gone
Parker Washington - Drafted last year in RD6
That's it man, that's all they have drafted recently. Everybody else was picked-up via free agency...
I think that makes my point.
the point that we don't darft WR, but those guys we haven't picked ought to start showing some results on Sundays?
This is some 4-D chess stragety.
(03-07-2024, 12:08 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 09:28 AM)VillagerChris Wrote: [ -> ]You angry today bro?
Maybe I'm wrong, no need for drafted players to become useful... it's worked so far..
I think the point was you first have to DRAFT players, for drafted players to become useful.
On the other hand, letting other teams handle the drafting, developing and then letting us pay the price via FA has got us this far....
(03-07-2024, 01:45 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Right - Baalke hasn't been at the helm for very long in the grand scheme of things, but at some point he has to draft some receiving talent to manage cap at the position properly. Can't ride FA every year. Not sustainable.
Would love to see him get one that falls (in any of the early rounds) in this draft - this is ASSUMING he gets at least one of our big ugly needs sorted in free agency.
Parker Washington looks like a late round steal as a slot guy and possesion receiver that can also return kicks/punts. Not sure if he has any upside as a WR2 or flanker/Z Receiver but he's only in his 2nd year. I think we should be spending mid round picks on the skill positions each year and keep drafting linemen early since the trenches is the more difficult area to replace
I'm definitely interested in how he develops.
At the least he appears to be solid depth and a capable return guy since the Agnew signing was on its final year.
Baalke did well to set up that FA departure by selecting Washington.
His value as a receiver is still mostly unknown IMO, but he's shown some flashes.
Baalke will need to do more however to sustain the cost of the position group over time.
Is this or is this not a Josh Allen thread?
(03-07-2024, 08:25 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Is this or is this not a Josh Allen thread?
....why would we care about the Bills?
(03-08-2024, 08:48 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 08:25 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Is this or is this not a Josh Allen thread?
....why would we care about the Bills?
Because they released our new center yesterday?
New deal is apparently getting close.
(03-08-2024, 12:41 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]New deal is apparently getting close.
Yeah. Saw Dilla's tweet. We'll see...
Still a little late.
He better be worth it and play like he did this year. He always has the right attitude but still....
(03-08-2024, 03:10 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]He better be worth it and play like he did this year. He always has the right attitude but still....
We will know quick and see if his intensity stays high.
He never struck me as a coaster at all. He had some bad teams he was playing on with little help for about three years.
(03-07-2024, 02:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 01:45 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Parker Washington looks like a late round steal as a slot guy and possesion receiver that can also return kicks/punts. Not sure if he has any upside as a WR2 or flanker/Z Receiver but he's only in his 2nd year. I think we should be spending mid round picks on the skill positions each year and keep drafting linemen early since the trenches is the more difficult area to replace
I'm definitely interested in how he develops.
At the least he appears to be solid depth and a capable return guy since the Agnew signing was on its final year.
Baalke did well to set up that FA departure by selecting Washington.
His value as a receiver is still mostly unknown IMO, but he's shown some flashes.
Baalke will need to do more however to sustain the cost of the position group over time.
Agree with both of these.
Watching the combine this year it became apparent that not as many big/large/heavy/fast guys are born as smaller fast guys. One thing about fast guys is they seem to slow down a bit as the season progresses. The large guys are always large.
I am hoping our GM will be able to listen to our coaches when deciding on receivers. I believe that is what happened with our first pick last year, consensus was reached but ego has to be set aside.. This year looks to have a good crop of receivers.
(03-09-2024, 12:45 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with both of these.
Watching the combine this year it became apparent that not as many big/large/heavy/fast guys are born as smaller fast guys. One thing about fast guys is they seem to slow down a bit as the season progresses. The large guys are always large.
I am hoping our GM will be able to listen to our coaches when deciding on receivers. I believe that is what happened with our first pick last year, consensus was reached but ego has to be set aside.. This year looks to have a good crop of receivers.
Hehe, that's called the 'planet theory' coined by Bills Parcells...and it was coined quite awhile ago (ie. see Travon Walker taken over Aiden Hutchinson). I'm not sure I agree with the fact that fast guys get slower, I would attribute that to the defenses played against them. The benefit of having a burner at WR is that they make CBs respect the go and hitch-and-go route, and generally tilt deep safeties to their side of the field.
(03-10-2024, 06:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2024, 10:03 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Did you all see this?
https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/1766464747539484961
Oh my, and flgatesjag dude said he would offer $20 per, lol.
I said I'd make him top 5 highest at his position, that's 25 mil, and I said Watts guaranteed which is 80. You said if we don't give him Bosa money it's a bad look on the franchise. Still haven't seen anything from a credible source. I'm sure he's asking for 30 though, and why a deal isn't done yet, anyone could tweet that. If we offered 30 mil a year a deal would likely be done already
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