(03-10-2024, 09:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2024, 06:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh my, and flgatesjag dude said he would offer $20 per, lol.
I said I'd make him top 5 highest at his position, that's 25 mil, and I said Watts guaranteed which is 80. You said if we don't give him Bosa money it's a bad look on the franchise. Still haven't seen anything from a credible source. I'm sure he's asking for 30 though, and why a deal isn't done yet, anyone could tweet that. If we offered 30 mil a year a deal would likely be done already
Well if he asked for 30 that is a positive, even more positive if it is their first counter offer. This is a negotiation and
if this is true, appears to be a reasonable one. I was afraid we would begin at 20 and them at 35+. Over the years it seemed the wider that first gap the more contentious things would get.
Now, if you average the contracts of the top 6 players :
Nick Bosa - 5yr, Khalil Mack - 6yr, Joey Bosa - 5yr, Myles Garrett- 5yr, Von Miller- 6yr, T.J. Watt- 4yr
You get $25,903,581 per year 59% guaranteed. Now that is wonderful but the average signing year of these contracts was 2020.7. Looking at the CPI over those years it was 19.32%. Yea sound high but as a country we measure inflation year over year so you have to add those 4 years together. (as a side note the highest any of the previous 4 year increments was about 4.5 % going back to 2008 or so)
Add the CPI and voila !
You get $30,908,152 per year 59% guaranteed.
Newest scuttle butt is the Allen is unhappy with negotiations and could demand a trade if nothing improves.
If they end up paying Foye and losing Allen somebody's gonna get the smug slapped off his mug
I wouldn't be surprised if Baalke's plan is to have him play on the tag and draft his replacement in the draft... Also he should ask for a trade I said it months ago.
(04-05-2024, 11:58 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if Baalke's plan is to have him play on the tag and draft his replacement in the draft... Also he should ask for a trade I said it months ago.
Surely Baalke isn’t that dumb. Who the heck else are we saving money for ? Lawerence ? That’s it ?
Keep your best young players it’s the only way to maintain any kind of stable success ..
Allen is about to hit his prime . And no guarantees anyone in the draft will ever match 17.5 sacks .
Pay the Man! He’s earned it and he is a Jaguar!
(04-05-2024, 12:12 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 11:58 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if Baalke's plan is to have him play on the tag and draft his replacement in the draft... Also he should ask for a trade I said it months ago.
Surely Baalke isn’t that dumb. Who the heck else are we saving money for ? Lawerence ? That’s it ?
Keep your best young players it’s the only way to maintain any kind of stable success ..
Allen is about to hit his prime . And no guarantees anyone in the draft will ever match 17.5 sacks .
Pay the Man! He’s earned it and he is a Jaguar!
There aren’t many around that will get near 20 nfl sacks in a season.
(04-05-2024, 12:12 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 11:58 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if Baalke's plan is to have him play on the tag and draft his replacement in the draft... Also he should ask for a trade I said it months ago.
Surely Baalke isn’t that dumb. Who the heck else are we saving money for ? Lawerence ? That’s it ?
Keep your best young players it’s the only way to maintain any kind of stable success ..
Allen is about to hit his prime . And no guarantees anyone in the draft will ever match 17.5 sacks .
Pay the Man! He’s earned it and he is a Jaguar!
Yeah they should pay him we all would it's a no brainer, but Baalke who knows.
Derrick Brown just got a mega deal....
Wonder what the hold up is with Josh Allens deal?
(04-05-2024, 01:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Derrick Brown just got a mega deal....
Wonder what the hold up is with Josh Allens deal?
Well Derrick Brown is making $96M for 4 years | $24M per year. He had 2 sacks last year, so $12M per sack. That puts Allen with his 17.5 sacks at $210M per year. INK the deal and be done with it.
(04-05-2024, 01:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Derrick Brown just got a mega deal....
Wonder what the hold up is with Josh Allens deal?
Probably Trent Baalke being a moron? Idk that's just my first guess.
(04-05-2024, 02:25 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 01:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Derrick Brown just got a mega deal....
Wonder what the hold up is with Josh Allens deal?
Probably Trent Baalke being a moron? Idk that's just my first guess.
He's tagged. There is literally zero reason to rush a negotiation at this point.
They did this with Engram last year and he signed in
JULY!
And lo and behold - all parties came away happy and the athlete had a career season to follow it up.
What's the rush? Just some excuse to bash Baalke?
(04-05-2024, 12:12 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 11:58 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if Baalke's plan is to have him play on the tag and draft his replacement in the draft... Also he should ask for a trade I said it months ago.
Surely Baalke isn’t that dumb. Who the heck else are we saving money for ? Lawerence ? That’s it ?
Keep your best young players it’s the only way to maintain any kind of stable success ..
Allen is about to hit his prime . And no guarantees anyone in the draft will ever match 17.5 sacks .
Pay the Man! He’s earned it and he is a Jaguar!
We may have sent a good contract offer. Nobody knows
(04-05-2024, 02:08 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 01:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Derrick Brown just got a mega deal....
Wonder what the hold up is with Josh Allens deal?
Well Derrick Brown is making $96M for 4 years | $24M per year. He had 2 sacks last year, so $12M per sack. That puts Allen with his 17.5 sacks at $210M per year. INK the deal and be done with it.
1 or 2 on here would be fine with that offer. "Just pay him"
(04-05-2024, 02:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 02:25 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Probably Trent Baalke being a moron? Idk that's just my first guess.
He's tagged. There is literally zero reason to rush a negotiation at this point.
They did this with Engram last year and he signed in JULY!
And lo and behold - all parties came away happy and the athlete had a career season to follow it up.
What's the rush? Just some excuse to bash Baalke?
I don't need excuses to bash Baalke. He literally does it by himself by drafting poorly.
By signing him to an extension, they can lower his cap hit in 2024 which could allow them to make other moves. Engrams deal was never going to be that big which is why it wasn't a big deal to wait. There are still some solid pass rushers out there "Bud Dupree" and other moves I would make but they need to have a lower cap to do them.
(04-05-2024, 03:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 02:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He's tagged. There is literally zero reason to rush a negotiation at this point.
They did this with Engram last year and he signed in JULY!
And lo and behold - all parties came away happy and the athlete had a career season to follow it up.
What's the rush? Just some excuse to bash Baalke?
I don't need excuses to bash Baalke. He literally does it by himself by drafting poorly.
By signing him to an extension, they can lower his cap hit in 2024 which could allow them to make other moves. Engrams deal was never going to be that big which is why it wasn't a big deal to wait. There are still some solid pass rushers out there "Bud Dupree" and other moves I would make but they need to have a lower cap to do them.
We have two years of drafts from the Baalke/Pederson braintrust.
So far, that has produced:
HITS:
Walker
Lloyd
Anton Harrison
CONTRIBUTORS:
Muma
Montaric Brown
P Washington
Antonio Johnson (may be a starter soon)
MISSES:
Snoop Connor
Fortner
UNKNOWNS:
Bigsby
Strange
Greg Junior
Hodges
Hallet
Abdullah
Lacy
Miller
Braswell
If some of those guys in the unknown category come on this year to look like they weren't bad picks, I just don't know if all the "Baalke draft hate" is justified. (and I despise the Miller pick with every fiber of my soul, and I also disliked the Bigsby selection strongly)
I definitely don't like the positional value decisions I've seen from Baalke/Pederson at times and I'd have done some things differently. But what we have to judge them on is still very much a work in progress.
I just feel like it's still premature to be tripping about this regime's draft success and failure - but everyone in Jags nation seems to be supremely confident that they are going to totally screw the pooch in a few weeks.
I'm just not sure I share that assumption. Trying to be objective despite some displeasure with the roster build.
(04-05-2024, 03:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 03:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need excuses to bash Baalke. He literally does it by himself by drafting poorly.
By signing him to an extension, they can lower his cap hit in 2024 which could allow them to make other moves. Engrams deal was never going to be that big which is why it wasn't a big deal to wait. There are still some solid pass rushers out there "Bud Dupree" and other moves I would make but they need to have a lower cap to do them.
We have two years of drafts from the Baalke/Pederson braintrust.
So far, that has produced:
HITS:
Walker
Lloyd
Anton Harrison
CONTRIBUTORS:
Muma
Montaric Brown
P Washington
Antonio Johnson (may be a starter soon)
MISSES:
Snoop Connor
Fortner
UNKNOWNS:
Bigsby
Strange
Greg Junior
Hodges
Hallet
Abdullah
Lacy
Miller
Braswell
If some of those guys in the unknown category come on this year to look like they weren't bad picks, I just don't know if all the "Baalke draft hate" is justified. (and I despise the Miller pick with every fiber of my soul, and I also disliked the Bigsby selection strongly)
I definitely don't like the positional value decisions I've seen from Baalke/Pederson at times and I'd have done some things differently. But what we have to judge them on is still very much a work in progress.
I just feel like it's still premature to be tripping about this regime's draft success and failure - but everyone in Jags nation seems to be supremely confident that they are going to totally screw the pooch in a few weeks.
I'm just not sure I share that assumption. Trying to be objective despite some displeasure with the roster build.
Muma and Montaric should be unknowns since they don't have nearly enough playing time under their belt. Not to mention Muma was a top 70 pick.
Walker is a hit but it sure is nice when you have the #1 overall pick.....
I don't know where the trust comes in here. There is more evidence that this regime doesn't know what they're doing in regards to the draft than there are positives.
I really hope they nail this draft because it could have serious long term effects on the most important person in this franchises history: Trevor Lawrence.
(04-05-2024, 03:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 03:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We have two years of drafts from the Baalke/Pederson braintrust.
So far, that has produced:
HITS:
Walker
Lloyd
Anton Harrison
CONTRIBUTORS:
Muma
Montaric Brown
P Washington
Antonio Johnson (may be a starter soon)
MISSES:
Snoop Connor
Fortner
UNKNOWNS:
Bigsby
Strange
Greg Junior
Hodges
Hallet
Abdullah
Lacy
Miller
Braswell
If some of those guys in the unknown category come on this year to look like they weren't bad picks, I just don't know if all the "Baalke draft hate" is justified. (and I despise the Miller pick with every fiber of my soul, and I also disliked the Bigsby selection strongly)
I definitely don't like the positional value decisions I've seen from Baalke/Pederson at times and I'd have done some things differently. But what we have to judge them on is still very much a work in progress.
I just feel like it's still premature to be tripping about this regime's draft success and failure - but everyone in Jags nation seems to be supremely confident that they are going to totally screw the pooch in a few weeks.
I'm just not sure I share that assumption. Trying to be objective despite some displeasure with the roster build.
Muma and Montaric should be unknowns since they don't have nearly enough playing time under their belt. Not to mention Muma was a top 70 pick.
Walker is a hit but it sure is nice when you have the #1 overall pick.....
I don't know where the trust comes in here. There is more evidence that this regime doesn't know what they're doing in regards to the draft than there are positives.
I really hope they nail this draft because it could have serious long term effects on the most important person in this franchises history: Trevor Lawrence.
I wouldn't call it trust. I'm not exactly optimistic, I just see a lot of the assumptions of doom to be unwarranted.
I also know the draft is a crapshoot every time for every front office and very few of them have a high rate of "hits"
Also - what is "top seventy pick?"
How many 70th overall picks turned out to be "hits?"
I don't know about the source but since it's a known entity I thought I'd post this here
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/artic...e-position
In my opinion it shows that the average 3rd round LB barely plays three seasons, and that's not even saying anything about their roles. I'm sure there are objections how they counted etc. but it doesn't matter. The main point is that you can't expect 70th overall to be a starter. Not all draft picks are equal. I, and you need to, demand much more from the 1st overall pick(s) than from some 3rd or 7th rounder. That's how it works.
(04-05-2024, 03:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 03:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need excuses to bash Baalke. He literally does it by himself by drafting poorly.
By signing him to an extension, they can lower his cap hit in 2024 which could allow them to make other moves. Engrams deal was never going to be that big which is why it wasn't a big deal to wait. There are still some solid pass rushers out there "Bud Dupree" and other moves I would make but they need to have a lower cap to do them.
We have two years of drafts from the Baalke/Pederson braintrust.
So far, that has produced:
HITS:
Walker
Lloyd
Anton Harrison
CONTRIBUTORS:
Muma
Montaric Brown
P Washington
Antonio Johnson (may be a starter soon)
MISSES:
Snoop Connor
Fortner
UNKNOWNS:
Bigsby
Strange
Greg Junior
Hodges
Hallet
Abdullah
Lacy
Miller
Braswell
If some of those guys in the unknown category come on this year to look like they weren't bad picks, I just don't know if all the "Baalke draft hate" is justified. (and I despise the Miller pick with every fiber of my soul, and I also disliked the Bigsby selection strongly)
I definitely don't like the positional value decisions I've seen from Baalke/Pederson at times and I'd have done some things differently. But what we have to judge them on is still very much a work in progress.
I just feel like it's still premature to be tripping about this regime's draft success and failure - but everyone in Jags nation seems to be supremely confident that they are going to totally screw the pooch in a few weeks.
I'm just not sure I share that assumption. Trying to be objective despite some displeasure with the roster build.
I guess you're being lenient with your definition of hits, out of every pick from this crew so far the only pick I have full confidence in is Harrison.
Walker and Lloyd have been occasionally competent, but not reaching the level of my expectations for their draft position.