Thread title ....Josh Allen - Deal or No Deal?
Answers.
1. No he was never on that show,
2. Yes he is under contract this year so Yes.
3. Yes, we will sign him to a new deal next year. (unless he has you representing him)
Oh, carp8dm won the word of the day with the use of the word non-sequitor. (someone is using a thesaurus bravo)
Josh Allen: Give me 15 per year for 3 years, signing bonus of 4 million, and incentives for an additional 5 million if I hit 10 sacks...
Jaguars front Office: Welcome to the family...
(10-15-2023, 09:43 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Thread title ....Josh Allen - Deal or No Deal?
Answers.
1. No he was never on that show,
2. Yes he is under contract this year so Yes.
3. Yes, we will sign him to a new deal next year. (unless he has you representing him)
Oh, carp8dm won the word of the day with the use of the word non-sequitor. (someone is using a thesaurus bravo)
I'd like to thank my 2nd Grade teacher, Mrs. Mills. She was an amazing woman, and I still think about her to this day. Thank you Mrs. Mills for being hard on me, but also a mentor... We need more people like her, and I miss her more an more.
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(10-15-2023, 09:57 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen: Give me 15 per year for 3 years, signing bonus of 4 million, and incentives for an additional 5 million if I hit 10 sacks...
Jaguars front Office: Welcome to the family...
And then he retires while on the roster.
Dammit, I hate thinking like that. However, what tempers that thought is he's playing for an entirely different organization now. Those were bad times for the fans and the players.
(10-15-2023, 10:04 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 09:57 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen: Give me 15 per year for 3 years, signing bonus of 4 million, and incentives for an additional 5 million if I hit 10 sacks...
Jaguars front Office: Welcome to the family...
And then he retires while on the roster.
Dammit, I hate thinking like that. However, what tempers that thought is he's playing for an entirely different organization now. Those were bad times for the fans and the players.
Dude, I'd be happy with 10 sacks from Allen on a 15 per contract...
What annoys me if that some people think we should throw a bag at him.
NO!!! Don't do it! Pay our LBers and Secondary... Those guys are making the D great.
I'm sorry, but Josh Allen isn't worth spending on if we can continue to play great behind the Line. And we are doing that.
I'd say give him the contract Yannick was looking for. I'd say about $18-20 mil per year base with incentives and a decent signing bonus. He's easily the best DE we've had since Brackens (excluding Calais Campbell of course)
(10-15-2023, 10:08 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 10:04 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]And then he retires while on the roster.
Dammit, I hate thinking like that. However, what tempers that thought is he's playing for an entirely different organization now. Those were bad times for the fans and the players.
Dude, I'd be happy with 10 sacks from Allen on a 15 per contract...
What annoys me if that some people think we should throw a bag at him.
NO!!! Don't do it! Pay our LBers and Secondary... Those guys are making the D great.
I'm sorry, but Josh Allen isn't worth spending on if we can continue to play great behind the Line. And we are doing that.
I'm still confused by your posts. Who is saying to throw the bag at him? You started off saying he's not worth more than 10m per year. Now you're up to 15m which is much better. But you're acting like people are saying to give him 25m+ per year.
Yes, it’s not easy to find these kinds of players.
(10-15-2023, 11:00 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 10:08 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, I'd be happy with 10 sacks from Allen on a 15 per contract...
What annoys me if that some people think we should throw a bag at him.
NO!!! Don't do it! Pay our LBers and Secondary... Those guys are making the D great.
I'm sorry, but Josh Allen isn't worth spending on if we can continue to play great behind the Line. And we are doing that.
I'm still confused by your posts. Who is saying to throw the bag at him? You started off saying he's not worth more than 10m per year. Now you're up to 15m which is much better. But you're acting like people are saying to give him 25m+ per year.
It's called backpedaling
It's what people often do when they post garbage takes and then realize it was a garbage take.
Maybe sometime he'll realize that paying the back seven and ignoring the pass rush is a garbage take as well.
But I wouldn't count on it.
(10-15-2023, 04:12 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen is worth 10 Million per year. I'd give him that same offer for 2024. If he doesn't take it? I think it'd be to our favor. Dude's just a guy.
If he want's to go the Juwaan Taylor route, let him go.
Trayvon Walker, you know, that 44 guy. He'd probably be just as good if you let him edge Rush from the Allen spot. Plus, Walker is smart on run defense. You don't over pay a limp Edge Rusher like Josh Allen. Dude is gonna wash out in 2024.
Pass on Allen. This D is good at LB and Secondary. Keep those guys happy and find better prospects at Edge. Allen ain't it.
drunj posting is the worst.
If Walker is so good from the other side, why wouldn't they try to switch things up?
How good you think Walker is at beating double teams if he draws them every down? If we move on from Allen, that is Walker's future. Even if we spend a first on a replacement, it's a late first. Everyone seems to think that's where Walker would have fit in a re-darft, and that's where Chaisson landed, do you really think we get anyone NEAR Allen's production out of the 24th pick of the darft?
Not to mention, if you keep leaving holes to plug up at pass rusher, when in the world are we going to use resources to address the holes in our line that are preventing us from being considered among the elite teams in the league? If we had some star power waiting in the stable, you might be able to say lowball offer or let him walk, but there's a lot more to be lost from letting him walk than just a cap hit.
(10-15-2023, 05:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 04:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting 7 sacks thru 6 games at on this roster or elsewhere then, genius?
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LOL, somewhere else?
Allen shows up in blowouts. He's invisible when it matters.
We let Yannick go, and he was more productive than Allen. And let's face it... Nobody misses Yannick. Why do you think you'd miss Allen? Just for the memes??? c'mon. Be objective. He's good. He's not top 5 Edge Rusher good. Pay him 15 Million and incentives. But if he wants 20? Let him walk and pay your LBers and Secondary. Then draft a better Edge Rusher....
We let Yannick go because he thought he deserved to set the market and we did not. Yannick contributed little to nil in the run game.
Where have you seen any indication that JA is anywhere near this level of ego? How many players in the locker room looked up to Yan as the leader? Do you see any of that in JA? (Well, I can already surmise that you don't, but I enjoy wasting keystrokes)
There are so many differences between Yan and JA and it goes well beyond the stat sheet.
(10-15-2023, 11:00 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 10:08 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, I'd be happy with 10 sacks from Allen on a 15 per contract...
What annoys me if that some people think we should throw a bag at him.
NO!!! Don't do it! Pay our LBers and Secondary... Those guys are making the D great.
I'm sorry, but Josh Allen isn't worth spending on if we can continue to play great behind the Line. And we are doing that.
I'm still confused by your posts. Who is saying to throw the bag at him? You started off saying he's not worth more than 10m per year. Now you're up to 15m which is much better. But you're acting like people are saying to give him 25m+ per year.
sobering up.
Josh Allen scares me. I think most of us always knew he had insane potential coming into the draft, I think he showed flashes of really giving a [BLEEP] and playing lights out throughout his career but he's had long stretches of doing absolutey nothing BUT now in his contract year he's playing like the Josh Allen we expected when we drafted him and the one we used to see 2-3 times a year.
I'm extremely hopeful that he's just putting it together and becoming a dominant pass rusher, but Id be lying if I didn't say I was worried that he's just after the big bucks.
Ultimately tho, whether you Tag him or you give him a long term contract I think we definitely have to keep him here.
(10-16-2023, 12:01 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen scares me. I think most of us always knew he had insane potential coming into the draft, I think he showed flashes of really giving a [BLEEP] and playing lights out throughout his career but he's had long stretches of doing absolutey nothing BUT now in his contract year he's playing like the Josh Allen we expected when we drafted him and the one we used to see 2-3 times a year.
I'm extremely hopeful that he's just putting it together and becoming a dominant pass rusher, but Id be lying if I didn't say I was worried that he's just after the big bucks.
Ultimately tho, whether you Tag him or you give him a long term contract I think we definitely have to keep him here.
He's a good overall football player that's shown the capacity now to hit the QB and put them in the stat column that gets you noticed and paid. He specifically said that was his goal in the off season, to study and review film at home and learn where he could improve at specifically getting the sacks he's getting now.
Even if he's turning it up now because of the potential contract extension? He's had good enough games throughout his career to justify the $16.5M to $18M per year mark in my opinion. Still waiting on Walker. Still hoping for Hamilton to come back healthy and flash within the interior. We're hoping Smoot can also do some more of those things he did yesterday as well. Like splitting two TE's to make a sound TFL.
With Allen? There's really no waiting or hoping for. You have it with him. No sense in gambling again with an unknown going into 2024.
(10-16-2023, 12:01 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen scares me. I think most of us always knew he had insane potential coming into the draft, I think he showed flashes of really giving a [BLEEP] and playing lights out throughout his career but he's had long stretches of doing absolutey nothing BUT now in his contract year he's playing like the Josh Allen we expected when we drafted him and the one we used to see 2-3 times a year.
I'm extremely hopeful that he's just putting it together and becoming a dominant pass rusher, but Id be lying if I didn't say I was worried that he's just after the big bucks.
Ultimately tho, whether you Tag him or you give him a long term contract I think we definitely have to keep him here.
Thing is, I have seen or heard absolutely nothing anywhere that would suggest he's a loafer except when the check is on the line.
He's frankly been dealt a crap hand by being here for the time that he's been. Outside of the season he played with Calais, it's been him or nothing. Some BAD teams, multiple coaches, and never a word to complain about the situation.
I have very little anxiety that if we pay him (or some other team does, for that matter) that we will see his effort or performance fall off a cliff.
(10-16-2023, 12:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2023, 12:01 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen scares me. I think most of us always knew he had insane potential coming into the draft, I think he showed flashes of really giving a [BLEEP] and playing lights out throughout his career but he's had long stretches of doing absolutey nothing BUT now in his contract year he's playing like the Josh Allen we expected when we drafted him and the one we used to see 2-3 times a year.
I'm extremely hopeful that he's just putting it together and becoming a dominant pass rusher, but Id be lying if I didn't say I was worried that he's just after the big bucks.
Ultimately tho, whether you Tag him or you give him a long term contract I think we definitely have to keep him here.
He's a good overall football player that's shown the capacity now to hit the QB and put them in the stat column that gets you noticed and paid. He specifically said that was his goal in the off season, to study and review film at home and learn where he could improve at specifically getting the sacks he's getting now.
Even if he's turning it up now because of the potential contract extension? He's had good enough games throughout his career to justify the $16.5M to $18M per year mark in my opinion. Still waiting on Walker. Still hoping for Hamilton to come back healthy and flash within the interior. We're hoping Smoot can also do some more of those things he did yesterday as well. Like splitting two TE's to make a sound TFL.
With Allen? There's really no waiting or hoping for. You have it with him. No sense in gambling again with an unknown going into 2024.
I'm not saying to NOT keep him, I just wonder if what we're seeing this year is a sign of things to come or if he's just putting in the effort to secure his bag.
(10-15-2023, 05:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2023, 04:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting 7 sacks thru 6 games at on this roster or elsewhere then, genius?
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LOL, somewhere else?
Allen shows up in blowouts. He's invisible when it matters.
We let Yannick go, and he was more productive than Allen. And let's face it... Nobody misses Yannick. Why do you think you'd miss Allen? Just for the memes??? c'mon. Be objective. He's good. He's not top 5 Edge Rusher good. Pay him 15 Million and incentives. But if he wants 20? Let him walk and pay your LBers and Secondary. Then draft a better Edge Rusher....
Good grief. I thought you were some supposed football expert. LOL
(10-16-2023, 12:43 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2023, 12:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a good overall football player that's shown the capacity now to hit the QB and put them in the stat column that gets you noticed and paid. He specifically said that was his goal in the off season, to study and review film at home and learn where he could improve at specifically getting the sacks he's getting now.
Even if he's turning it up now because of the potential contract extension? He's had good enough games throughout his career to justify the $16.5M to $18M per year mark in my opinion. Still waiting on Walker. Still hoping for Hamilton to come back healthy and flash within the interior. We're hoping Smoot can also do some more of those things he did yesterday as well. Like splitting two TE's to make a sound TFL.
With Allen? There's really no waiting or hoping for. You have it with him. No sense in gambling again with an unknown going into 2024.
I'm not saying to NOT keep him, I just wonder if what we're seeing this year is a sign of things to come or if he's just putting in the effort to secure his bag.
We’re in the same boat CJB
That's what out clauses and performance incentives in contracts are for.
Insulates the team/org against players phoning it in.
You just risk another team offering more guaranteed $ tho
I'd pay Josh Allen what he's worth. A mid Edge Rusher and a top level interior lineman. Give him incentives and increase his pay by the cost of living. Just like all of us get. 10 million per year to 15 million per year. That's a nice little increase for a guy that is a Jaguar and we love, but isn't a real deal Edge Rusher that teams fear.
Dude's not elite. Don't get it twisted. Remember when some of you all were wanting to give Jawaan Taylor all the monies? The "good" Josh Allen is similar. Not to say he's trash. He's a good player and a great Locker Room guy. But you don't overpay for a guy that isn't elite now and won't ever be elite.