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Jags nation right now.

(03-05-2024, 04:18 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you assume they won't be able to get decent replacements in FA? Why does it have to be the draft?

Because there isn’t any decent options at those positions in free agency, d line and o line can be helped in free agency, but it’s unlikely you can get two competent starters at cb and wr

I think Awuzie is an option

(03-05-2024, 03:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]They are going to pay Allen "Bosa money."

If they leave him on a tag the locker room will be lost. That we be the dumbest thing they could do right now.

If they were going to do that I believe a deal would be done.  Chris Jones got tagged and came back mid season, hes not above Jones or even close really at this point in his career .  As much as I love Alen and want him here he wasn't even team captain last year.  I highly doubt him being on the tag will affect the locker room one bit.  A bunch of players get tagged every year, it's nothing new

You don't know what Allen's agent is thinking. 

He may want to watch the whole FA cycle play out for other edge rushers hoping to drive Allen's number upward.
Common tactic. 

This was always likely to be a long play contract negotiation. The odds of it getting done before Ridley hit FA were always low. 

If they don't pay their best defender from last year it will affect the locker room. I'd bank on it. 
It's hard to expect these guys to leave everything on the field if you aren't showing them what the reward is when they succeed.

(03-05-2024, 04:04 PM)g1ml3t Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What if they mean we have a capable starter at CB already on the roster and Ridley is going to sign a new deal next week before free agency starts? The PTSD around here is real.

Can you honestly say they've earned the benefit of the doubt at this point?

Can you honestly say the histrionics going on right now are valid considering we've won more than we've lost the last two seasons? I don't like Baalke, but everything that's happened since yesterday was a likely occurrence, none of this should be a surprise. What we don't know about this stuff could fill an ocean but everyone goes straight to the WCS.

(03-05-2024, 04:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If they were going to do that I believe a deal would be done.  Chris Jones got tagged and came back mid season, hes not above Jones or even close really at this point in his career .  As much as I love Alen and want him here he wasn't even team captain last year.  I highly doubt him being on the tag will affect the locker room one bit.  A bunch of players get tagged every year, it's nothing new

You don't know what Allen's agent is thinking. 

He may want to watch the whole FA cycle play out for other edge rushers hoping to drive Allen's number upward.
Common tactic. 

This was always likely to be a long play contract negotiation. The odds of it getting done before Ridley hit FA were always low. 

If they don't pay their best defender from last year it will affect the locker room. I'd bank on it. 
It's hard to expect these guys to leave everything on the field if you aren't showing them what the reward is when they succeed.

You don't know what Allen's agent is thinking either.  Yeah I figured Allen would get tagged, it just depends on what he is asking for.  It would be nice if they can get a long term deal done but I don't see Allen being tagged affecting the locker room.  A number of players get tagged every year, it buissiness.  A number of players got tagged today and his situation is no different.  Burns just got tagged for the 2nd straight year.

Tagging Allen would have been fine if his tag didn't directly effect their ability to sign Ridley long term.

Ridley is now the top WR on the market by a wide margin which makes his return to Jacksonville less likely.

So now you have another position with a glaring need: iOL, WR, DT, CB and edge depth.

(03-05-2024, 03:51 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:47 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]You're describing someone keeping their options open until they are forced to make a decision and commit to a specific direction.  There's plenty of room for criticism of Baalke, but what you're describing here doesn't have to fall in to that category for me though.  It sounds like smart business.

It's possible they cut guys they might have otherwise held onto getting "about to sign" vibes from Allen and then Allen pump faked them at the end.  Or it's possible they were cutting these guys all along and just waiting to see what other teams did first.  Either way, today isn't a deadline for Allen's camp.  It's solely a team/league deadline and you have to have a willing business partner.  The deadline that both Allen and the team share is July.   We have no idea what was offered to Allen's camp.  Many might get upset with Allen if they saw the offer.

I get all of that, but if the goal was to keep Ridley then this should’ve been done weeks ago. 

Tells me we weren’t really interested in retaining Ridley

It absolutely does. If the plan were to use the tag on Ridley, we'd have been way more aggressive getting Allen to sign a deal before today. Not sure how anyone is surprised that this is how everything has played out, as we have seen little to no sign of desperation or urgency on the part of the FO.

Tagging Allen does not prohibit us from making an offer to Ridley. It just prohibits us from being the only ones to make an offer.

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(03-05-2024, 03:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:53 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]The main concern is the moves today mean we need to draft a corner who can start right away and draft a receiver who can contribute 1000 yards and 8 tds, for a team that’s struggled in the draft they need those two things at a minimum and that’s before you get to both lines which need major additions

Why do you assume they won't be able to get decent replacements in FA? Why does it have to be the draft?

If we rely on FA instead of the darft we'll be playing this same game of cuts and patching holes in two seasons.

(03-05-2024, 04:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 04:04 PM)g1ml3t Wrote: [ -> ]Can you honestly say they've earned the benefit of the doubt at this point?

Can you honestly say the histrionics going on right now are valid considering we've won more than we've lost the last two seasons? I don't like Baalke, but everything that's happened since yesterday was a likely occurrence, none of this should be a surprise. What we don't know about this stuff could fill an ocean but everyone goes straight to the WCS.

Can you honestly say the garbage the front office and ownership are okay with is worth a percentage of someone that actually had to work's money?

(03-05-2024, 05:46 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 04:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Can you honestly say the histrionics going on right now are valid considering we've won more than we've lost the last two seasons? I don't like Baalke, but everything that's happened since yesterday was a likely occurrence, none of this should be a surprise. What we don't know about this stuff could fill an ocean but everyone goes straight to the WCS.

Can you honestly say the garbage the front office and ownership are okay with is worth a percentage of someone that actually had to work's money?

Oh boo hoo. It's better today than it's been in decades. Overreaction is the norm around here.

(03-05-2024, 05:54 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 05:46 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]Can you honestly say the garbage the front office and ownership are okay with is worth a percentage of someone that actually had to work's money?

Oh boo hoo. It's better today than it's been in decades. Overreaction is the norm around here.

You could probably change the URL of the site to the below video until the tampering period starts and we'd all get essentially the same message and vibe that we're going to get for the next few days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUUIQU_5IAk

I'm pleasently shocked jags have placed the tag on Josh allen. we definttly need him on defense.  beloew is the link to it being offcial.



https://www.jaguars.com/news/official-ja...josh-allen

I really want to believe that they have a deal for Ridley already in place and it'll either have an astronomical amount of guaranteed $$$ or unprecedented signing bonus to squeeze him under the cap. Hopefully they negotiated something both sides are comfortable with and are just waiting until the new league year to try and save the 2nd round pick from conveying.

If Ridley walks and Josh Allen plays on the tag...... Baalke has to go before this time next year. Jags fans have wanted him gone for literal years. It shouldn't take him botching yet another offseason of "easy"/"no-brainer" moves to get him out of here. Unless he's a figurehead and Tony Khan is basically playing madden GM mode with a real franchise, I can't see any reason he's stuck around this long and survived multiple regimes. He was out of football for 4 years until Caldwell & Coughlin brought him in. Then he survived Urban Meyer, and inexplicably got another shot with Doug Pederson after that blew up. From what I understand he was vocal to Shad about not wanting to hire Urban Meyer and saying it was a bad idea; him not wanting his future tied to Urban and having a handshake deal to "get another shot to clean up the mess Urban Meyer made" (this is as per his brothers twitter/burner) is the only thing that makes sense.

I just find it crazy that Shad has figured out everything about how to run a franchise EXCEPT how to hire a capable GM.

I'm wondering if they don't feel Ridley is a true number 1 and they think they can get a true number 1 in the draft and they think the money it would cost to retain him would be better spent elsewhere in FA?

(03-05-2024, 07:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm wondering if they don't feel Ridley is a true number 1 and they think they can get a true number 1 in the draft and they think the money it would cost to retain him would be better spent elsewhere in FA?

Bingo !!

(03-05-2024, 04:18 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you assume they won't be able to get decent replacements in FA? Why does it have to be the draft?

Because there isn’t any decent options at those positions in free agency, d line and o line can be helped in free agency, but it’s unlikely you can get two competent starters at cb and wr

Might be a British vs American thing but I think we use the word "decent" differently.  Decent just means "good enough" not "pro bowl candidate."

(03-05-2024, 04:20 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Jags nation right now.

So situation is normal?

Disappointing we had to tag Josh as the FO had all season to know they had to pay him big time after the year he had. Obviously we don't know what both sides are thinking numbers wise and how far apart they are. Hopefully this can be like Engram and get a long term deal sorted but was hoping to see the FO have a plan for this offseason and to be ready to execute it.

It takes two to tango. We don't know if Allen or Ridley have unreasonable demands?

Tag to sign

(03-05-2024, 07:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm wondering if they don't feel Ridley is a true number 1 and they think they can get a true number 1 in the draft and they think the money it would cost to retain him would be better spent elsewhere in FA?

That couldn't possibly be the case. We are baguars, everything we touch must turn to poop

Am I doing this right?

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(03-05-2024, 10:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 04:18 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]Because there isn’t any decent options at those positions in free agency, d line and o line can be helped in free agency, but it’s unlikely you can get two competent starters at cb and wr

Might be a British vs American thing but I think we use the word "decent" differently.  Decent just means "good enough" not "pro bowl candidate."

pro bowl is a popularity contest, so why does that have any bearing on our evaluation of whether a player is decent or not?