(12-15-2023, 08:58 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen is looking iconic in that black visor, along with having the best defensive season in Jaguars History.
Most Iconic tinted-visors in Jaguars History:
1. Natrone Means 1996
2. Josh Allen 2023
3. Mike Peterson 2005
4. Terrance Knighton 2012
5. Quinn Gray 2007
Some other nice looking Jaguars accessories:
1. Fred Taylor with the double arm sleeves
2. Tony Brackens’ Cowboy Collar
3. Kyle Brady Cowboy Collar
4. Kevin Hardy Cowboy Collar
5. Keenan McCardell white knee high socks
6. Fred Taylor’s white Rebox on Astro-turf
7. Jimmy Smith with the skinny towel
8. Darius wore the Cowboy Collar a few times
9. Leon Searcy with the old school, vertical bar down the center of his helmet
10. RJay Soward with the double black arm sleeves in 2000
Don't forget Terry Cousin from the nickel CB position with our boy Mikey P also rockin' the clear and tinted visor.
Loved that vaunted 05/06 defense.
Josh Allen vs the ravens:
2 tackles, 2 assts, 0 sacks
(12-18-2023, 06:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen vs the ravens:
2 tackles, 2 assts, 0 sacks
Nobody outside of walker was able to do anything against Lamar.
The thing that cheesed me so much was no matter how long a play lasted, and how much Jackson scampered from one sideline to the other to avoid pressure and find a guy, Not one time did you see a flag for holding, or even a missed call for holding. That line was impressive to the point where I want us to offer their line coach an AHC position just to come here and drop some knowledge on our boys.
I think gameplan all day was contain over penetrate. We weren't looking to rack up 6 sacks on the day; we were trying not to get burned.
...and failed.
(12-18-2023, 10:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 06:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen vs the ravens:
2 tackles, 2 assts, 0 sacks
Nobody outside of walker was able to do anything against Lamar.
The thing that cheesed me so much was no matter how long a play lasted, and how much Jackson scampered from one sideline to the other to avoid pressure and find a guy, Not one time did you see a flag for holding, or even a missed call for holding. That line was impressive to the point where I want us to offer their line coach an AHC position just to come here and drop some knowledge on our boys.
I think gameplan all day was contain over penetrate. We weren't looking to rack up 6 sacks on the day; we were trying not to get burned.
...and failed.
My point was Josh Allen was no where to be found in one of the biggest games of the year. If I could get a veteran pass rusher going into 2024 that can give me 7 to 9 sacks at half the cost of a contract, I would probably take it since Allen is going to be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league next season.
(12-19-2023, 07:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 10:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody outside of walker was able to do anything against Lamar.
The thing that cheesed me so much was no matter how long a play lasted, and how much Jackson scampered from one sideline to the other to avoid pressure and find a guy, Not one time did you see a flag for holding, or even a missed call for holding. That line was impressive to the point where I want us to offer their line coach an AHC position just to come here and drop some knowledge on our boys.
I think gameplan all day was contain over penetrate. We weren't looking to rack up 6 sacks on the day; we were trying not to get burned.
...and failed.
My point was Josh Allen was no where to be found in one of the biggest games of the year. If I could get a veteran pass rusher going into 2024 that can give me 7 to 9 sacks at half the cost of a contract, I would probably take it since Allen is going to be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league next season.
Are we going to ignore his 8 pressures and his 46% win rate? Or are we only using stats that the "stats guy" finds to support his argument?
Travon and Allen lived in the backfield on Sunday. Lamar is just slippery.
(12-19-2023, 07:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 10:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody outside of walker was able to do anything against Lamar.
The thing that cheesed me so much was no matter how long a play lasted, and how much Jackson scampered from one sideline to the other to avoid pressure and find a guy, Not one time did you see a flag for holding, or even a missed call for holding. That line was impressive to the point where I want us to offer their line coach an AHC position just to come here and drop some knowledge on our boys.
I think gameplan all day was contain over penetrate. We weren't looking to rack up 6 sacks on the day; we were trying not to get burned.
...and failed.
My point was Josh Allen was no where to be found in one of the biggest games of the year. If I could get a veteran pass rusher going into 2024 that can give me 7 to 9 sacks at half the cost of a contract, I would probably take it since Allen is going to be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league next season.
There's bad takes and then there's bad takes.
(12-19-2023, 07:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 10:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody outside of walker was able to do anything against Lamar.
The thing that cheesed me so much was no matter how long a play lasted, and how much Jackson scampered from one sideline to the other to avoid pressure and find a guy, Not one time did you see a flag for holding, or even a missed call for holding. That line was impressive to the point where I want us to offer their line coach an AHC position just to come here and drop some knowledge on our boys.
I think gameplan all day was contain over penetrate. We weren't looking to rack up 6 sacks on the day; we were trying not to get burned.
...and failed.
My point was Josh Allen was no where to be found in one of the biggest games of the year. If I could get a veteran pass rusher going into 2024 that can give me 7 to 9 sacks at half the cost of a contract, I would probably take it since Allen is going to be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league next season.
It all balances out in the long run though. By the time Allen gets paid, the next wave of contracts, plus the salary cap ceiling being raised will probably push him right back outside the top five again.
It also appears Walker is getting better and starting to turn the corner now as a pass rusher. I just wouldn't risk it. I know it's a lot of money, but, teams manage to figure it out somehow.
The way I see it? Allen's been a fairly consistent football player since he's been here. We know what he is now at his worst and what he is capable of at his best. We're lucky to have him and we should keep him.
I think, the other guys on this team? Most of them are forgettable. When you look at the defense as a whole, right? This is how I see it:
Allen - Keeper
Walker - Keeper
Lloyd - Keeper
Oluokon - Keeper
Campbell - Keeper
Cisco - Keeper
Everybody else? Forgettable, upgradable. That's including the other five starters out there and the rotational pieces behind them for the most part. I am hoping Hamilton, RRH and Smoot are better next year but I am looking for their replacements in this draft immediately after I address the other side of the football first.
Doesn't have to be done via the draft neither. You can also tap into free agency and figure it out, but, there's not a snowball's chance in hell I am letting Josh Allen go in the off season. Keep in mind, I was wanting him traded last year before the deadline, and have since ate my crow and will continue to eat my crow if it means this team wins games with him making the impacts he's been making and taking on the leadership role that he's taken on.
It's hard to find guys like that and we'll have enough holes to fill as it is. Backfilling him is not an easy hole to fill. It's more like a void at this point. Too risky, too foolish in my opinion. You cut wherever else you need to cut to keep him here.
(12-19-2023, 02:35 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 07:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]My point was Josh Allen was no where to be found in one of the biggest games of the year. If I could get a veteran pass rusher going into 2024 that can give me 7 to 9 sacks at half the cost of a contract, I would probably take it since Allen is going to be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league next season.
Are we going to ignore his 8 pressures and his 46% win rate? Or are we only using stats that the "stats guy" finds to support his argument?
Travon and Allen lived in the backfield on Sunday. Lamar is just slippery.
selective stats tell the best stories, though!
(12-19-2023, 05:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 07:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]My point was Josh Allen was no where to be found in one of the biggest games of the year. If I could get a veteran pass rusher going into 2024 that can give me 7 to 9 sacks at half the cost of a contract, I would probably take it since Allen is going to be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league next season.
It all balances out in the long run though. By the time Allen gets paid, the next wave of contracts, plus the salary cap ceiling being raised will probably push him right back outside the top five again.
It also appears Walker is getting better and starting to turn the corner now as a pass rusher. I just wouldn't risk it. I know it's a lot of money, but, teams manage to figure it out somehow.
The way I see it? Allen's been a fairly consistent football player since he's been here. We know what he is now at his worst and what he is capable of at his best. We're lucky to have him and we should keep him.
I think, the other guys on this team? Most of them are forgettable. When you look at the defense as a whole, right? This is how I see it:
Allen - Keeper
Walker - Keeper
Lloyd - Keeper
Oluokon - Keeper
Campbell - Keeper
Cisco - Keeper
Everybody else? Forgettable, upgradable. That's including the other five starters out there and the rotational pieces behind them for the most part. I am hoping Hamilton, RRH and Smoot are better next year but I am looking for their replacements in this draft immediately after I address the other side of the football first.
Doesn't have to be done via the draft neither. You can also tap into free agency and figure it out, but, there's not a snowball's chance in hell I am letting Josh Allen go in the off season. Keep in mind, I was wanting him traded last year before the deadline, and have since ate my crow and will continue to eat my crow if it means this team wins games with him making the impacts he's been making and taking on the leadership role that he's taken on.
It's hard to find guys like that and we'll have enough holes to fill as it is. Backfilling him is not an easy hole to fill. It's more like a void at this point. Too risky, too foolish in my opinion. You cut wherever else you need to cut to keep him here.
I know it's outside the scope of this thread, but Buster is making this less of a sure thing. Great problem to have. Unless Campbell can get back to staying healthy, they may end up letting him walk or not giving him the megadeal a top corner would merit.
Starting to wonder the same about Cisco - Are these DBs getting to be like 'dime a dozen' WR, as Vic was fond of saying? Compare Cisco to Kyle Hamilton - Hamilton was a difference maker on that D last weekend. If you can draft a guy to play at or near the same level, doesn't make sense to give him high end safety money, either.
All that said, and back on topic with this thread, Allen is showing very much that you can't just cross your fingers and hope to darft a guy of his caliber. He'll get the big paycheck, and deserve every bit of it. I just hope we're the ones that get the deal done.
(12-20-2023, 09:28 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 05:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It all balances out in the long run though. By the time Allen gets paid, the next wave of contracts, plus the salary cap ceiling being raised will probably push him right back outside the top five again.
It also appears Walker is getting better and starting to turn the corner now as a pass rusher. I just wouldn't risk it. I know it's a lot of money, but, teams manage to figure it out somehow.
The way I see it? Allen's been a fairly consistent football player since he's been here. We know what he is now at his worst and what he is capable of at his best. We're lucky to have him and we should keep him.
I think, the other guys on this team? Most of them are forgettable. When you look at the defense as a whole, right? This is how I see it:
Allen - Keeper
Walker - Keeper
Lloyd - Keeper
Oluokon - Keeper
Campbell - Keeper
Cisco - Keeper
Everybody else? Forgettable, upgradable. That's including the other five starters out there and the rotational pieces behind them for the most part. I am hoping Hamilton, RRH and Smoot are better next year but I am looking for their replacements in this draft immediately after I address the other side of the football first.
Doesn't have to be done via the draft neither. You can also tap into free agency and figure it out, but, there's not a snowball's chance in hell I am letting Josh Allen go in the off season. Keep in mind, I was wanting him traded last year before the deadline, and have since ate my crow and will continue to eat my crow if it means this team wins games with him making the impacts he's been making and taking on the leadership role that he's taken on.
It's hard to find guys like that and we'll have enough holes to fill as it is. Backfilling him is not an easy hole to fill. It's more like a void at this point. Too risky, too foolish in my opinion. You cut wherever else you need to cut to keep him here.
I know it's outside the scope of this thread, but Buster is making this less of a sure thing. Great problem to have. Unless Campbell can get back to staying healthy, they may end up letting him walk or not giving him the megadeal a top corner would merit.
Starting to wonder the same about Cisco - Are these DBs getting to be like 'dime a dozen' WR, as Vic was fond of saying? Compare Cisco to Kyle Hamilton - Hamilton was a difference maker on that D last weekend. If you can draft a guy to play at or near the same level, doesn't make sense to give him high end safety money, either.
All that said, and back on topic with this thread, Allen is showing very much that you can't just cross your fingers and hope to darft a guy of his caliber. He'll get the big paycheck, and deserve every bit of it. I just hope we're the ones that get the deal done.
You know? Not going to lie. I was a little hesitant to state that about Campbell, I was damn near tempted to place Darious Williams there instead, but, I think Campbell's slipped a bit this year due to injury but he was relatively good last year and good this year prior to the hamstring.
I also agree about Buster Brown. It was one of the few decent players I listed under Baalke's draft selections in that other thread. I think Baalke has a decent eye when it comes to secondary players. I can give him that one. Cisco and Jenkins are good but there plays only come up here and there.
But, I think he's found some potential replacements in Antonio Johnson and I also still have high hopes for Braswell out of Rutgers. I think he can be a good outside corner in due time. Allen will get the bag though, for sure.
Have to pay Allen. /thread
I know we can’t keep Cisco, Allen, Campbell, Etienne, Robinson, Zay Jones, Ridley and Lawrence, while keeping Kirk on the books.
If I can’t get that veteran pass rusher off the edge then I’m keeping Allen and letting Cisco and/or Campbell go.
There’s good takes and then there’s good takes. They should rename the board to: everybody agree with Ol’ Cleet
When guys bring up “pressures” it reminds me of that State Farm commercial with the old man in the fisherman outfit “ooohhh, you almost got it.
Allen has played out of his mind and has helped get 8 wins, but the Jaguars have lost 3 straight games with Allen on the roster.
(12-21-2023, 07:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I know we can’t keep Cisco, Allen, Campbell, Etienne, Robinson, Zay Jones, Ridley and Lawrence, while keeping Kirk on the books.
If I can’t get that veteran pass rusher off the edge then I’m keeping Allen and letting Cisco and/or Campbell go.
There’s good takes and then there’s good takes. They should rename the board to: everybody agree with Ol’ Cleet
When guys bring up “pressures” it reminds me of that State Farm commercial with the old man in the fisherman outfit “ooohhh, you almost got it.
Allen has played out of his mind and has helped get 8 wins, but the Jaguars have lost 3 straight games with Allen on the roster.
They lost 3 straight games with one of those being primarily on the defense in the Bengals loss at home on the Monday night game. The defense had it's moments against the Browns, but, the offense certainly had it's share of mistakes and blames and in a close loss? Those mistakes in my opinion outweighed the issues on defense, that was also a defense that's been severely depleted in the secondary.
Same belief goes back to the Sunday night game with the Ravens. The defense did damn near everything it could to keep us in that game and the air of confidence was sucked right on out of the stadium when Lawrence fumbled that football on a good looking drive. Period. That's where it all started.
(12-21-2023, 09:21 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2023, 07:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I know we can’t keep Cisco, Allen, Campbell, Etienne, Robinson, Zay Jones, Ridley and Lawrence, while keeping Kirk on the books.
If I can’t get that veteran pass rusher off the edge then I’m keeping Allen and letting Cisco and/or Campbell go.
There’s good takes and then there’s good takes. They should rename the board to: everybody agree with Ol’ Cleet
When guys bring up “pressures” it reminds me of that State Farm commercial with the old man in the fisherman outfit “ooohhh, you almost got it.
Allen has played out of his mind and has helped get 8 wins, but the Jaguars have lost 3 straight games with Allen on the roster.
They lost 3 straight games with one of those being primarily on the defense in the Bengals loss at home on the Monday night game. The defense had it's moments against the Browns, but, the offense certainly had it's share of mistakes and blames and in a close loss? Those mistakes in my opinion outweighed the issues on defense, that was also a defense that's been severely depleted in the secondary.
Same belief goes back to the Sunday night game with the Ravens. The defense did damn near everything it could to keep us in that game and the air of confidence was sucked right on out of the stadium when Lawrence fumbled that football on a good looking drive. Period. That's where it all started.
Even worse, a fumble not created by a hit. He bobbled the ball while transferring it from one hand to the other. Trevor [BLEEP] up, big time.
(12-21-2023, 09:55 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2023, 09:21 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They lost 3 straight games with one of those being primarily on the defense in the Bengals loss at home on the Monday night game. The defense had it's moments against the Browns, but, the offense certainly had it's share of mistakes and blames and in a close loss? Those mistakes in my opinion outweighed the issues on defense, that was also a defense that's been severely depleted in the secondary.
Same belief goes back to the Sunday night game with the Ravens. The defense did damn near everything it could to keep us in that game and the air of confidence was sucked right on out of the stadium when Lawrence fumbled that football on a good looking drive. Period. That's where it all started.
Even worse, a fumble not created by a hit. He bobbled the ball while transferring it from one hand to the other. Trevor [BLEEP] up, big time.
He did. But the man is out there CARRYING this offense by himself. He needs some help.
(12-21-2023, 07:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I know we can’t keep Cisco, Allen, Campbell, Etienne, Robinson, Zay Jones, Ridley and Lawrence, while keeping Kirk on the books.
If I can’t get that veteran pass rusher off the edge then I’m keeping Allen and letting Cisco and/or Campbell go.
There’s good takes and then there’s good takes. They should rename the board to: everybody agree with Ol’ Cleet
When guys bring up “pressures” it reminds me of that State Farm commercial with the old man in the fisherman outfit “ooohhh, you almost got it.
Allen has played out of his mind and has helped get 8 wins, but the Jaguars have lost 3 straight games with Allen on the roster.
Please name the veteran pass rusher that the Jags could get for half the cost.
Allen is a legit elite pass rusher. You don't let those just walk out the door.
That would be like saying "Not sure I want to pay Trevor that much money. I'd rather have Jimmy G at a fraction of that."
(12-21-2023, 10:07 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2023, 07:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I know we can’t keep Cisco, Allen, Campbell, Etienne, Robinson, Zay Jones, Ridley and Lawrence, while keeping Kirk on the books.
If I can’t get that veteran pass rusher off the edge then I’m keeping Allen and letting Cisco and/or Campbell go.
There’s good takes and then there’s good takes. They should rename the board to: everybody agree with Ol’ Cleet
When guys bring up “pressures” it reminds me of that State Farm commercial with the old man in the fisherman outfit “ooohhh, you almost got it.
Allen has played out of his mind and has helped get 8 wins, but the Jaguars have lost 3 straight games with Allen on the roster.
Please name the veteran pass rusher that the Jags could get for half the cost.
Allen is a legit elite pass rusher. You don't let those just walk out the door.
That would be like saying "Not sure I want to pay Trevor that much money. I'd rather have Jimmy G at a fraction of that."
I mean, I'm pretty sure this has been said around here more than once lol
Calling out Josh Allen on sacks and pressures in a game playing contain against the best running QB in the league is a weird flex.
If you're spending your time looking around the Jags roster and cap space trying to figure out how NOT to sign Josh Allen to a new deal, you are doing it wrong.
Josh Allen vs Buccaneers:
1 tackles
0 sacks