Quote:So it's only on the coordinator for those issues?
I will agree the players were the greatest detriment to the performance. You can have a great playcaller, but without good players it's going to be futile. Part of the reason the players were out of position is because they aren't good enough in between their ears to understand the pro game. We need new players.
You're missing my point.
No, it's not JUST on the coordinator. It's a shared responsibility. If you call the perfect play in a certain situation, and you've got a safety lining up in the wrong spot, or not knowing what he should do in certain situations, that's a problem with the player. If they're practicing, installing game plans, meeting to make sure players are prepared, and they still come out lost, it's partly on them for not being focused on the details, and it's on the coaches because they didn't find a way to drill it in sufficiently.
Quote:You're missing my point.
No, it's not JUST on the coordinator. It's a shared responsibility. If you call the perfect play in a certain situation, and you've got a safety lining up in the wrong spot, or not knowing what he should do in certain situations, that's a problem with the player. If they're practicing, installing game plans, meeting to make sure players are prepared, and they still come out lost, it's partly on them for not being focused on the details, and it's on the coaches because they didn't find a way to drill it in sufficiently.
Ok, that's kinda what I'm saying. It's a shared responsibility. I applaud them for wanting to improve as coaches and do things differently, but at the same time I'm skeptical that they have the real answers since they were already on staff and could have already been implementing these "improvements".
More attractive for FA's if we don't have a lame duck coach. It's only a 1 year extension, nothing changes. If we win less than 6 this year he's gone...
Should have been done earlier really, Schwartz might be DC now if they'd have given Gus an extension a few weeks back.
Quote:More attractive for FA's if we don't have a lame duck coach. It's only a 1 year extension, nothing changes. If we win less than 6 this year he's gone...
Should have been done earlier really, Schwartz might be DC now if they'd have given Gus an extension a few weeks back.
I'd think the expectations should be higher than 6.
Quote:I'd think the expectations should be higher than 6.
Until the roster is improved, how can we expect much more?
Quote:I don't care if you've got the greatest play caller on the planet drawing up a game plan. When you've got players not understanding their assignments, playing out of position, taking bad angles, or just whiffing on tackles, that's a discipline issue. If it didn't get cleaned up, that's on the coordinator to address. He didn't. He's been fired as a result.
They've been playing this way for three years. Him firing Babich this year is a year or two too late.
Babich was an awful hire from the start. I won't get started on that.
The defense playing like that is as much on Gus as it is anyone.
Quote:Ok, that's kinda what I'm saying. It's a shared responsibility. I applaud them for wanting to improve as coaches and do things differently, but at the same time I'm skeptical that they have the real answers since they were already on staff and could have already been implementing these "improvements".
Coaching the line and being responsible for the entire defense are a little different. Hopefully Wash proves to be a capable coordinator who gets the most out of the talent on the field. He's going to be getting an infusion of talent this off season as the defense will no doubt be the top priority in the draft and free agency. If he can't make significant improvements with that investment, none of the coaches will be here a year from now.
Quote:More attractive for FA's if we don't have a lame duck coach. It's only a 1 year extension, nothing changes. If we win less than 6 this year he's gone...
Should have been done earlier really, Schwartz might be DC now if they'd have given Gus an extension a few weeks back.
Well doesn't that essentially still make him a lame duck, I doubt Schwartz would've came.
Quote:Well doesn't that essentially still make him a lame duck, I doubt Schwartz would've came.
Exactly.... Th extension doesn't change the fact that he is still a lame duck coach.
Also.... 6 wins?' My god... Some of you are stuck in this loser mentality. No way he makes it the whole season if he's on pace for 6 wins. He needs to have a great start and compete for the division. And our division will be much better than it was this year.
Well, this has been an entertaining thread. I agree with what some of the other folks have said. This is by and large a symbolic move, and doesn't limit Khan's options at all. Folks seem to be bad at math. Khan is a billionaire, with a B. The money we are talking about is a rounding error at most if he decides the team needs to eat it. Will most if not all free agents or anyone else (including message board readers) think this is anything but symbolic? Probably not. But I submit that the symbolism matters. There are tales of franchises being ridiculously cheap and uncomfortable places to work. Over the last few years, Khan is sending exactly the opposite message with regard to the Jaguars. It also does not conflict with the belief in accountability. Gus axed Fisch for difference of scheme and nonperformance. This year he axed Babich. While I agree with badger that Babich was probably largely a scapegoat, I think that Babich took one for the team, and the contract extension just clears the air and gets the lazy reportorial lame-duck rhetoric out of the way. Khan is throwing a few million towards PR and symbolism. Seems like a smart move to me.
Quote:Translation: we don't want to give the impression that he's a lame duck and scare players away in free agency, but we do want to be able to fire him without eating millions and millions of dollars.
*Ding*
We have a winner.
The timing was weird, but the extension makes sense because of potential offseason moves. We hired from within because we probably could not get any interest from outside for the DC spot. Free Agents, same thing can happen.
People are going to freak out about this, and in a way, rightfully so. I cant defend Bradley for any extension, but I also understand why it happened. I will say this, if the Jaguars are not winning games next season and the same thing keeps happening, he won't make it through the season.
In work so can't read through everything..why is this a good idea??
Quote:Why are people mad about this. I'm happy they kept Gus but 1 year means nothing in this league. They could fire him tomorrow if they wanted too. No need for overreaction.
Overreaction is just what bedwetters like the OP do. It's all they know.
Quote:In work so can't read through everything..why is this a good idea??
Apparently players are dumb enough to think it means something.
In reality, FAs that come here are concerned about one thing: how much money the team can guarantee them.
One year is HUGE for a HC. This isn't a 4th string running back we are talking about.
In the defense of this move, I have heard;
It will help with FA ( because a one year ext. Will distract players from one of the worst head coaching records in history)
A one year extension won't keep him from being fired ( there goes the stability talk)
And that it doesn't really matter because FAs only care about money.
It is what it is, but this wasn't a good move.
This is setting up perfectly for the clowns like FBT to say "it was a 4 year rebuild all along and everyone knew this. Except for the message board GMs, fry cooks and whiners."
Gus got an extension so free agents won't be scared away yet he could still get fired after a bad season....
That is the dumbest [BLEEP] I have ever read.
Quote:They're talking about it on 1010XL right now, and they're saying the extension is meaningless in almost every way except when the team is looking at free agents. Players may not be as willing to come here if they think the coaching situation could change, and having a coach in the final year of his contract would certainly be reason for second thought.
Agree or not, giving Bradley a 1 year extension doesn't prevent him from being fired if he doesn't deliver in 2016. Nothing has changed about that. If the team isn't competing for a playoff spot and the division next year, Gus is going to take the fall.
This.
Gus is a terrible coach. But this move helps in free agency to get talent...
Hey, it's not our money. Gus may not deserve the extra year of pay once he's fired, but I'm not gonna begrudge him the extra golden parachute of one year once he's kicked to the curb come January if 2017.
No reason to freak out about this. +1 FBT...
Quote:This is setting up perfectly for the clowns like FBT to say "it was a 4 year rebuild all along and everyone knew this. Except for the message board GMs, fry cooks and whiners."
The truth stings a little for you, doesn't it?