Quote:Actually at the time there were quite a few rumors that he was more than willing to give a home town discount. It's not like Baltimore broke the bank to get him. His contract was cheaper than Pozlusny....by about half.
Edit: I have no problem keeping Gus, but up to this point I have an issue with how the process has been managed. I look more at Dave than Gus.
This. I am tired of people making excuses. I love my Jags but this whole "tear down" was sooo unnecessary and Dave Caldwell should face the piper in 2016 too if we cant post 9+ wins. It seems now thought the ineptitude of the Jaguars will continue for at least 2 more years now regardless of 2016 results. How much of a cluster [BLEEP] is this situation now? How does a guy with 12 wins in 48 tries get extended? So lost atm.
Quote:You know I'm hoping for some winning to eliminate the fan vs fan arguments. I'm starting to set my expectations for 2016 and I am using a wait and see approach overall but I'm dissatisfied as a fan. When you think about it 31 of 32 teams are disappointed every year.
I don't know of any fans who are satisfied with where the team is at right now, but winning more consistently will certainly change a few minds about the process. If it doesn't happen this year, all the hand wringing about a contract extension will be moot. Gus has a bar he must exceed if he wants to see a fifth year here.
Quote:The deep "thinkers" on this board don't get it and never will. It doesn't fit into their torch and pitchfork mental breakdown.
Extending this contract by 1 year is nothing more than a token move. If they were truly committed to Bradley, the extension would have included multiple years, not 1.
In reality, a one year extension for Gus Bradley is pocket change for Shad Khan. It's a small cost of doing business in terms of attempting to maximize the Jaguars chances in 2016.
If the 2016 season doesn't go according to plan, with the team off to another slow start, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Bradley was let go before the 2nd half of the season began.
Though I understand why some Jaguars fans aren't happy about the decision to extend Bradley's contract for a season, I don't think there's a downside. The alternative is a Chuck Pagano ' lame duck' situation that was a major focal point of the Colts 2015 season.
Quote:He wouldn't stay for the vet minimum and I don't think much more than that was in the offering. I wish he'd stayed too, but I understand Caldwell's position on a 31 year old linebacker coming off a season ending injury.
But, hindsight is the great equalizer in player personnel decisions for message board GMs.
It's funny because some of the very people who use him as the example (Toss Eugene Monroe in there as well) were the same ones who wanted to replace Smith, AND Monroe. They saw both players as upgrade opportunities....until they were gone. Then suddenly they were a huge loss and an indictment of the GM being clueless.
No GM is perfect, but in both instances above, Caldwell made a decision based on what he knew at the time. For Smith, it really was about a serious injury to a player on the wrong side of 30. He didn't fit the model for what they had in mind for this rebuild, and he wasn't going to play for the contract they were willing to pay.
With Monroe, they drafted his replacement and knew he wasn't going to sign a deal to play RT once they moved Joeckel over there. He was in the final year of his deal and had been pretty clear that he was going to test the market. So, Caldwell found a suitor and made a deal.
Quote:They have confidence in their plan. Mr Khan, Caldwell, have stated this publicly many times. I don't understand how anyone could not know this.
Not to mention that every player that has come into contact with Bradley have said that they believe in him and would run through walls for him. Their effort through a tough couple of years have certainly shown that they do not quit on him.
Apparently you missed the Houston game.
Quote:Apparently you missed the Houston game.
No, I didn't miss it. At some point human nature trumps all and it wouldn't have mattered if Lombardi himself was coaching that day.
At least you had that one example though. Good job man.
Quote: In reality, a one year extension for Gus Bradley is pocket change for Shad Khan. It's a small cost of doing business in terms of attempting to maximize the Jaguars chances in 2016.
If the 2016 season doesn't go according to plan, with the team off to another slow start, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Bradley was let go before the 2nd half of the season began.
Though I understand why some Jaguars fans aren't happy about the decision to extend Bradley's contract for a season, I don't think there's a downside. The alternative is a Chuck Pagano ' lame duck' situation that was a major focal point of the Colts 2015 season.
Exactly. At the end of the day, the thing that ticks people off here is the word extension. It's chump change for Khan, and completely meaningless should Bradley not turn things around significantly in 2016. If the team gets out of the gates slowly and doesn't appear to be on a trajectory that indicates things are going to be improved, he won't be the head coach for the entire season regardless of the one year extension. This is a make or break year for Gus. This extension simply assures that if he DOES turn things around, the Jaguars will have time to consider any future extension to his deal.
Quote:No, I didn't miss it. At some point human nature trumps all and it wouldn't have mattered if Lombardi himself was coaching that day.
At least you had that one example though. Good job man.
I actually have 11,I just used the most recent.
Could they not of used the same patience they were preaching to the fans by letting him coach the final year of his contract?
Quote:I actually have 11, I just used the most recent.
You must be proud. Buuuwaaaa.
Quote:Have you seen our defense? Have you seen our schedule next year? I can't imagine that defense being completely overhauled over the course of one year. If we get to 8-8 I will be shocked and happy.
NFL changes year to year, next year those teams might not even be as good
Quote:You must be proud. Buuuwaaaa.
Lol Actually no, I still have an idiot for the coach of my favorite NFL team.
Just a few of points to consider for those ready to drive Bradley and Caldwell to the airport with pitchforks in tow:
1. Gus is still gone if the defense doesn't show up in 2016. That doesn't happen - the extension is meaningless.
2. The offense starting to click and the consideration of "continuity for a young roster" is what is keeping him around until he either proves it or loses it.
3. Dave has hit on multiple free agent signings and mined talent from the middle rounds in impressive fashion. His hits far outweigh whiffing on the Smith and Marshall re-signings.
(Marks, Julius, Miller, House, Colvin, Telvin, Bortles, Robinson, and Hurns are quality players that we have Dave to thank for)
Quote:Lol Actually no, I still have an idiot for the coach of my favorite NFL team.
.......and he does not know of your existence. No matter how much you pound at your keyboard. It's part of the ride, go with it.
Quote:Exactly. At the end of the day, the thing that ticks people off here is the word extension. It's chump change for Khan, and completely meaningless should Bradley not turn things around significantly in 2016. If the team gets out of the gates slowly and doesn't appear to be on a trajectory that indicates things are going to be improved, he won't be the head coach for the entire season regardless of the one year extension. This is a make or break year for Gus. This extension simply assures that if he DOES turn things around, the Jaguars will have time to consider any future extension to his deal.
This is definitely how I see the overall picture as well.
On the other hand, if Bengals owner Mike Brown decides to give Marvin Lewis a one year contract extension, then I would assume ( unless proven otherwise ) that Lewis would remain for that extra season.
It's realistically possible that during the Defensive Coordinator interview process, the Gus Bradley contract situation was something that one or more of the DC candidates expressed concern about. Hence, Shad Khan decided to react in giving Gus Bradley the one year extension.
Quote:This will fall on deaf ears. People seem to think Jacksonville has the same allure as New York of Philly. In reality we are a town that has huge growth potential but that's it. The only way to really build this franchise is to create stability and build through the draft. FA is good because we have the money to over pay anyone we want but the truth is the draft is gonna be our bread and butter and that takes time.
See teams like the 9ers can suck for the next 8 years and not bat an eye because they know they have a stable fan base, ownership and will acquire a ton of great players in the process to make another run. Unfortunately our franchise is not old enough to have endured such hardships so we have not been exposed to the Tim Ratays and Joey Harringtons of the world (although Blaine was really close).
I just laughed when I heard this because I knew everyone on this board would react just like this. It's still funny. I'm sorry we aren't a once in a generation power house like the Pats but that is just not the norm. Somebody stated that the last 13 out of 15 Super Bowls featured Manning, Brady or Big Ben. If that does tell you that there are tons of team waiting at home every year then I don't know what to say.
This team is improving and the arrow is pointing up wether people want to see it our not. Instead for throwing hissy fits when the team doesn't do something you like why not support them and try to understand the big picture? Look at it from a larger scope. I think most would rather be right than to actually see the team succeed. And guess what if in ample enough time we don't continue to see improvement then will we gut the front office and build it over again.
I'd rather have these guys excel though.
WOW hand clap to this guy well said
Quote:Let's say you're a free agent and you have looked at Gus Bradley's record over the past 3 years. 4, 2, and 5 wins....not very good. Are you not smart enough to know that if he doesn't start performing that he's going to be fired regardless?
If the Jacksonville Jaguars offer more money and a player wants to come here and play, they will come here and play. I really don't think they care who the head coach is....they want $$$$ and wins.
Don't you think having scheme stability has an impact on a player's earnings?
Say a 25 year old DE signs here this offseason for 3 years. Included in the deal are incentives.
After the first year, Bradley is fired and the scheme changes to something that does not fit his skills.
Not only does he potentially miss out on the incentives in year 2 and 3, if the new regime finds him obsolete, he could even miss out on his base salary if he is cut.
Beyond that, should he peddle his wares elsewhere, his drop in productivity/release is going to be held against him in any future negotiations with other teams.
I get the sentiment that FAs are smart enough to see the extension for what it is.
But there are other considerations, financial and otherwise, that support the extension.
I don't have an issue with Caldwell, I think he's done a fine job on the roster. I do think that the coaching and player development has been stunted under Bradley because he's just not a very good coach.
Quote:.......and he does not know of your existence. No matter how much you pound at your keyboard. It's part of the ride, go with it.
I stopped pounding my keyboard when I grew used to this team's loser mentality.
Im really just curious as to why this FO can tell fans to be patient, yet they can't let Gus play out his final year before jumping the gun on an extension. The FA excuse hardly holds water, even you said they only care about money, and it's not like they wouldn't be able to read through this anyway.
Quote:Exactly. At the end of the day, the thing that ticks people off here is the word extension. It's chump change for Khan, and completely meaningless should Bradley not turn things around significantly in 2016. If the team gets out of the gates slowly and doesn't appear to be on a trajectory that indicates things are going to be improved, he won't be the head coach for the entire season regardless of the one year extension. This is a make or break year for Gus. This extension simply assures that if he DOES turn things around, the Jaguars will have time to consider any future extension to his deal.
Of all people here I'm shocked you toe the company line. You're the biggest joke of them all. If they fired him today you would have said it was a great move. If they demoted him, great move! If he started calling defensive plays, great move! If they fired Dave and let Gus take over player personnel, you would say that Dave has been inept and Gus has his pulse on the players!
You can sit here and call anyone that disagrees with you names all you want, but the fact remains.....this team STILL sucks.
Quote:Don't you think having scheme stability has an impact on a player's earnings?
Say a 25 year old DE signs here this offseason for 3 years. Included in the deal are incentives.
After the first year, Bradley is fired and the scheme changes to something that does not fit his skills.
Not only does he potentially miss out on the incentives in year 2 and 3, if the new regime finds him obsolete, he could even miss out on his base salary if he is cut.
Beyond that, should he peddle his wares elsewhere, his drop in productivity/release is going to be held against him in any future negotiations with other teams.
I get the sentiment that FAs are smart enough to see the extension for what it is.
But there are other considerations, financial and otherwise, that support the re-signing.
This is why contracts boil down to guaranteed money. That's what talks to free agents.