Quote:I agree he'll go that way, too.
The most important question is, will he be successful?
Given his defensive picks so far, I'm not so sure. I'll let him prove it before I'll endorse it or expect it to happen.
For that, we'll have to wait and see - and I'm not so optimistic. The defensive talent fell off while he was in Atlanta, and he bet the farm (and arguably won) on Julio Jones.
It could be he's got no problem with spotting talent at WR, but a blind spot for defense. We'll see.
You can't count the Fowler pick as a hit, or miss.
Everybody agrees that the majority of entire 2013 draft was garbage, from top to bottom.
He seemed to hit on Telvin and Colvin. He brought on Abry Jones as an UDFA in their first year I believe? He has been a solid player for us. Nick Marshall has some good developmental upside. As much as people love to hate on Josh Evans, he's a solid player for a 6th round draft pick. He's solid depth. Sample and Bennett are still unknowns.
He has spent a total of 11 picks on Defense, of their total 25 picks. 6 of those 11 picks on Defense, have been in the 5th round or later.
Quote:You can't count the Fowler pick as a hit, or miss.
Everybody agrees that the majority of entire 2013 draft was garbage, from top to bottom.
He seemed to hit on Telvin and Colvin. He brought on Abry Jones as an UDFA in their first year I believe? He has been a solid player for us. Nick Marshall has some good developmental upside. As much as people love to hate on Josh Evans, he's a solid player for a 6th round draft pick. He's solid depth. Sample and Bennett are still unknowns.
He has spent a total of 11 picks on Defense, of their total 25 picks. 6 of those 11 picks on Defense, have been in the 5th round or later.
Not disagreeing.
No matter how we choose to excuse it, the record is not good.
We won't know if will be good with higher selections... until it happens. I hope it will improve. It must. But I can't "call it" ahead of time. I've got to see it happen.
Quote:Chris Clemons
Red Bryant
Marks
Roy Miller
Ziggy Hood
Dekoda Watson
Dan Skuta
Sergio Brown
All kind of defeat the idea that Dave hasn't focused on defense. And that's not counting his stop-gap signings of Geno Hayes and Alan Ball. :confused:
All of them were pretty much signed as stop gaps/prove it contracts. Marks and Miller proved it. The ones who didn't were cut pretty quick. I don't think Brown will be around much longer either.
None of them were signed to Thomas, or Odrick type deals.
Quote:Marks is a stop gap?
What do you think? He was a stop gap "signing" similar to Hood and Watson ,low risk high reward,it just so happened that the reward was extremely high with Marks.
Quote:What do you think? He was a stop gap "signing" similar to Hood and Watson ,low risk high reward,it just so happened that the reward was extremely high with Marks.
Until the injury. We can hope he'll get back to pre-injury form.
Quote:Legit core re: passing game. We're still deficient in the running game and OL. IMO, we're relying too much on it and that's why Bortles presses, leading to mistakes.
Agreed. We still need some help on the OL and the running game must be better next season. Yeldon isn't the issue though.
Quote:Not disagreeing.
No matter how we choose to excuse it, the record is not good.
We won't know if will be good with higher selections... until it happens. I hope it will improve. It must. But I can't "call it" ahead of time. I've got to see it happen.
Again, I agree.
We can say we want to throw out the first 2 season's record, I guess that's fine, whatever. But this past season was gift wrapped for us and they could only scrape up 5 wins. There's absolutely no more excuses this 4th year. It's time to, just win baby.
I still think Caldwell deserves a shot at a 2nd head coach hire, if/when Gus gets fired. Maybe it's just my opinion though.
Quote:What do you think? He was a stop gap "signing" similar to Hood and Watson ,low risk high reward,it just so happened that the reward was extremely high with Marks.
We have a different definition of "stop-gap."
Caldwell clearly identified Marks as a player they believed would flourish in a different role.
While they may have rolled the dice on him a bit -- they certainly knew what they were getting in other guys like Sergio Brown. Lower upside but possibly a mild upgrade. Then you have aging guys like Bryant and Clemons who I see as the true stop-gaps. A patch job for a year or two.
I prefer not to lump a guy like Marks in with those guys, but I see why you choose to.
Quote:We have a different definition of "stop-gap."
Caldwell clearly identified Marks as a player they believed would flourish in a different role.
While they may have rolled the dice on him a bit -- they certainly knew what they were getting in a guy like Sergio Brown. Lower upside but possibly a mild upgrade. Then you have aging guys like Bryant and Clemons who I see as true stop-gaps. A patch job for a year or two.
I prefer not to lump a guy like Marks in with those guys, but I see why you choose to.
Nah your definition is more accurate,stop gap applies to Bryant and Clemons rather than the other guys. The rest were prove it types. Basically what I was trying to say is that guys on the list weren't major investments for the defense.
Quote:Why dont you go root for another team then, you wont be missed
Khan saved football in Jacksonville, I much rather a owner that lets the process play out then one that fires coaches every 1 or 2 years like Clev and TB, Gus is Khan's 2nd coach and the team did improve last year, we have a franchise QB and lot of good young offensive players and some on defense. If Dave fix the defense this team will def be on the rise.
BS. Khan cares about HIS global brand more than winning. He will JUMP at moving the Jags to London if and when that opportunity presents itself...from a source
Quote:[BAD WORD REMOVED]. Khan cares about HIS global brand more than winning. He will JUMP at moving the Jags to London if and when that opportunity presents itself...from a source
From a source lol!
You and jaguarmvp are funny.
Quote:Im one of the last supporters of Gus Bradley. This shows stability within the organization and not some mess like Cleveland.
And yet Cleveland has a better record than Khan does.
Quote:And yet Cleveland has a better record than Khan does.
And yet, I don't care. Both teams haven't done anything.
Jacksonville is in a much better position and it's not even close.
Quote:From a source lol!
You and jaguarmvp are funny.
Family is friends with another NFL ownership group. Khans game plan is to ultimately bolt to London overseas and dominate the global market. I don't give a [BLEEP] if you believe me or not.
Quote:And yet, I don't care. Both teams haven't done anything.
Jacksonville is in a much better position and it's not even close.
Disagree. Cleveland has a better D and o line.
Look the Jags have a great QB and good WRs. The o line is terrible, the head coach is awful, the kicker is worst in the league, the running game is ranked #26, the defense is 31st in scoring.
Bortles is the ONLY reason to watch.
Quote:Haha.
Yeah.
Guess you'll find out in a few years. Khan is spending all this money on the city to prove to the league he's worthy of London. That's how the league works; prove yourself. Khan is a con artist; you'll see.
Quote:Disagree. Cleveland has a better D and o line.
Look the Jags have a great QB and good WRs. The o line is terrible, the head coach is awful, the kicker is worst in the league, the running game is ranked #26, the defense is 31st in scoring.
Bortles is the ONLY reason to watch.
Browns in a better position? Ugh I can't even. Have a good night.
Quote:Browns in a better position? Ugh I can't even. Have a good night.
Browns are a QB away. Jags are a defense, a head coach, a kicker, and an o line away. Not sold on Yeldon either, he's a backup on a good team.
Quote:Browns are a QB away. Jags are a defense, a head coach, a kicker, and an o line away. Not sold on Yeldon either, he's a backup on a good team.
I can't
really take this ^ seriously, but I'll try.
I'm not gonna try to analyze the Browns roster needs, but I do know the Jags stand to have about three times the cap space that they do - and they don't need a "defense" and an "o-line."
Jags need a FS, a quality corner, a DE and a C/G depending on where AJ Cann plays next year.
I think Yeldon will be fine running behind Linder, Parnell and a better center next year.
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