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Quote:I'm bumping this thread when we clinch playoffs next year. Some of y'all are ridiculous.

 

I'll bump it when we clinch another top 5 pick

Quote:You're a complete buffoon if you believe Caldwell didn't have anything to do with this extension.

 

You can't be angry at Gus without this reflecting on the guy who hired Gus, and has signed off on his every move.

You're a complete buffoon if you believe Caldwell had everything to do with this extension.

 

Caldwell's main job is to find and acquire talent, is it not? Has he not done that?

 

Khan IS the man in charge. What he says goes, no matter what. I guess firing Gus and Caldwell will be him admitting that he's a complete failure at his job right? He should then step down from being the owner if that's the case, right? Since you can't just be angry at Gus and Caldwell, without reflecting on the guy who hired them both and signed off on their every move.

Quote:You're a complete buffoon if you believe Caldwell had everything to do with this extension.

 

Caldwell's main job is to find and acquire talent, is it not? Has he not done that?

 

Khan IS the man in charge. What he says goes, no matter what. I guess firing Gus and Caldwell will be him admitting that he's a complete failure at his job right? He should then step down from being the owner if that's the case, right? Since you can't just be angry at Gus and Caldwell, without reflecting on the guy who hired them both and signed off on their every move.

 

Schrute - there's a reason you're an assistant TO the manager...  not bright on your part.

 

Dave is the GM.  In that role he's not just the player personnel guy.

 

Khan is not putting these coaching contracts together.  Dave is.  Dave covers both players and coaches.

 

It's been this way since Dave was hired, so that there were no questions about it as in the past.  Catch up.

 

Yes, Lamping and Khan can decide to fire them both.  I think there's a very good chance that could happen, given their contracts now expire AT THE SAME TIME due to this extension.

 

Just stop and let that sink in a while... if it can...

Quote:Stable crap is still crap.

Ok.

Quote:I'll bump it when we clinch another top 5 pick

Ok.

Quote:Schrute - there's a reason you're an assistant TO the manager...  not bright on your part.

 

Dave is the GM.  In that role he's not just the player personnel guy.

 

Khan is not putting these coaching contracts together.  Dave is.  Dave covers both players and coaches.

 

It's been this way since Dave was hired, so that there were no questions about it as in the past.  Catch up.

 

Yes, Lamping and Khan can decide to fire them both.  I think there's a very good chance that could happen, given their contracts now expire AT THE SAME TIME due to this extension.

 

Just stop and let that sink in a while... if it can...

Caldwell hired Gus, but he clearly said all staff/coaches decisions are up to Gus. Gus kept/brought on the staff, not Caldwell. He might have signed off, just as Khan did, but he didn't bring in the staff.

 

This 1 year extension is meaningless. You must now think that Gus is safe even if he only wins 4 or 5 games again this year huh?

 

Caldwell isn't going anywhere. He has did plenty to deserve the chance at bringing on another HC. All you have to do is look at the list of talent he has drafted/acquired.

 

I know most of you guys need a pitchfork and somebody to poke, point and shout at like it means something, but it doesn't mean/do jack.

Absurd

Quote:This 1 year extension is meaningless. You must now think that Gus is safe even if he only wins 4 or 5 games again this year huh?

 

Caldwell isn't going anywhere. He has did plenty to deserve the chance at bringing on another HC. All you have to do is look at the list of talent he has drafted/acquired.

 

That's exactly why I question what Dave has done so far - I am looking at the talent he's drafted/acquired.  Better than Gene for sure (an autodraft could have done better and nearly impossible to be as bad or worse,) but what about that defense?

 

And... the extension isn't meaningless.  It's a sign Dave has hitched his wagon to Gus.  Re-affirmation on his part.  A double down on HIS CHOICE.

 

Dave has yet to prove he can do for the defense what he's done for the offense.  And the offense isn't even complete yet.  Still much to be done on the offensive line.  If he could only do for OL what he's done at WR... could say that about any position on the defense as well.

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I know most of you guys need a pitchfork and somebody to poke, point and shout at like it means something, but it doesn't mean/do jack.

 

What is says, isn't that I'm angry.  I'm not.

 

What I'm saying is that the move means Dave still believes in Gus.

 

And if his guy Gus fails and proves to be wrong, it's on Dave just as much.

 

By all means, if it works... Dave deserves equal credit for it working.

 

You can't have one or the other... he deserves equal credit for the success or failure.  The one year extension is Dave renewing his vows with Gus.

Quote:That's exactly why I question what Dave has done so far - I am looking at the talent he's drafted/acquired.  Better than Gene for sure (an autodraft could have done better and nearly impossible to be as bad or worse,) but what about that defense?

 

And... the extension isn't meaningless.  It's a sign Dave has hitched his wagon to Gus.  Re-affirmation on his part.  A double down on HIS CHOICE.

 

Dave has yet to prove he can do for the defense what he's done for the offense.  And the offense isn't even complete yet.  Still much to be done on the offensive line.  If he could only do for OL what he's done at WR... could say that about any position on the defense as well.

Dave did more on the waiver wire in his first year than Gene did in his entire time drafting here lol. Which is pretty sad.

 

We both agree that you find your starters in the draft, usually in the 1st-3rd rounds correct? Hitting on guys in the 4th round and beyond is just added bonuses yes?

 

You ask where is the Defense? Well Dave has went Offense heavy in the first 3 rounds, in his past 3 drafts.

 

2013

1st - OT

2nd - SS

3rd - CB

 

2014

1st - QB

2nd - WR

2nd - WR

3rd - OG

 

2015

1st - DE (ACL 30 minutes into practice)*

2nd - RB

3rd - OG

 

That's a whole lot of Offense in the rounds where you typically find your starters.

 

I have no doubts that Caldwell will go Defense early and often in this draft. 1st and 2nd round will be Defensive players. 3rd round could and probably should be Defense also.

 

Like I said in my very first post in this thread, I completely believe they're trying to stay ahead of the curve with this extension for Gus. It will help limit the distraction about Gus being a lame duck on a 1 year contract.

Quote:I have no doubts that Caldwell will go Defense early and often in this draft. 1st and 2nd round will be Defensive players. 3rd round could and probably should be Defense also.

 

I agree he'll go that way, too.

 

The most important question is, will he be successful?

 

Given his defensive picks so far, I'm not so sure.  I'll let him prove it before I'll endorse it or expect it to happen.

 

For that, we'll have to wait and see - and I'm not so optimistic.  The defensive talent fell off while he was in Atlanta, and he bet the farm (and arguably won) on Julio Jones.

 

It could be he's got no problem with spotting talent at WR, but a blind spot for defense.  We'll see.

Quote:What is says, isn't that I'm angry.  I'm not.

 

What I'm saying is that the move means Dave still believes in Gus.

 

And if his guy Gus fails and proves to be wrong, it's on Dave just as much.

 

By all means, if it works... Dave deserves equal credit for it working.

 

You can't have one or the other... he deserves equal credit for the success or failure.  The one year extension is Dave renewing his vows with Gus.

I agree that he deserves equal credit for the success, or failure of Gus. You can't just look at the HC hire and not give him credit as to the talent he has brought in. He has found some gems in FA and the draft.

 

I mean, just look at where this roster is now, compared to what it was 3 years ago when they took over. Gene was terrible and ruined this team, but there's a lot of young talent on this team now and we finally have a legit core on Offense. How long has it been since we were able to say that?

Quote:The beady eyed man on the right with a smirk on his face is an interesting character also.

2:1 he is a serial killer or likes kids a little too much

Quote:You ask where is the Defense? Well Dave has went Offense heavy in the first 3 rounds, in his past 3 drafts.

 

2013

1st - OT

2nd - SS

3rd - CB

 

2014

1st - QB

2nd - WR

2nd - WR

3rd - OG

 

2015

1st - DE (ACL 30 minutes into practice)*

2nd - RB

3rd - OG

 

That's a whole lot of Offense in the rounds where you typically find your starters.

 

Chris Clemons

Red Bryant

Marks

Roy Miller

Ziggy Hood

Dekoda Watson

Dan Skuta

Sergio Brown

 

All kind of defeat the idea that Dave hasn't focused on defense. And that's not counting his stop-gap signings of Geno Hayes and Alan Ball. :confused:

Quote:I'm bumping this thread when we clinch playoffs next year. Some of y'all are ridiculous.

Quote:You're a complete buffoon if you believe Caldwell had everything to do with this extension.

 

Caldwell's main job is to find and acquire talent, is it not? Has he not done that?

 

Khan IS the man in charge. What he says goes, no matter what. I guess firing Gus and Caldwell will be him admitting that he's a complete failure at his job right? He should then step down from being the owner if that's the case, right? Since you can't just be angry at Gus and Caldwell, without reflecting on the guy who hired them both and signed off on their every move.

What planet do you live on.  Khan has stated he does not interfere with Caldwell's job.  Caldwell decides who his head coach is.  If Caldwell went to Khan and said look this guy does nothing but soft serve and I want to boot him it would be so. 

Quote:I agree that he deserves equal credit for the success, or failure of Gus. You can't just look at the HC hire and not give him credit as to the talent he has brought in. He has found some gems in FA and the draft.

 

I mean, just look at where this roster is now, compared to what it was 3 years ago when they took over. Gene was terrible and ruined this team, but there's a lot of young talent on this team now and we finally have a legit core on Offense. How long has it been since we were able to say that?

 

Legit core re: passing game.  We're still deficient in the running game and OL.  IMO, we're relying too much on it and that's why Bortles presses, leading to mistakes.

Quote:Chris Clemons

Red Bryant

Marks

Roy Miller

Ziggy Hood

Dekoda Watson

Dan Skuta

Sergio Brown


All kind of defeat the idea that Dave hasn't focused on defense. And that's not counting his stop-gap signings of Geno Hayes and Alan Ball. :confused:

All of those names listed bar Clemons ,Miller and maybe Skuta I would consider stop gap signings.

Quote:This just in.   Bradley had stipulations on the deal

 

1. Unlimited Credit at DQ

2. Ben and Jerry's after every win

3. After a loss no cherries but still get the whipped topping

 

Dear 8 pounds 6 ounces,new born infant baby jesus, don't even know a word yet, please, please help this mvp feller learn how to be funny. Just once.

 

Amen. 

Quote:All of those names listed bar Clemons ,Miller and maybe Skuta I would consider stop gap signings.

Marks is a stop gap?