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Quote:Oh, I get the sarcasm/ pessimism completely, I'm just pretty dumbfounded someone tried to use that dude as a source.

I'm dumbfounded anyone still goes to that frickin site.

 

including myself...

All the Gus haters are going to be eating crow in 2016.

Quote:Well, about that, t runt...

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1/10/3862628/david-caldwell-contract-jaguars-news'>http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1/10/3862628/david-caldwell-contract-jaguars-news</a>


"Caldwell will now get on the process of searching for the Jacksonville Jaguars next head coach and begin planning on how to build the franchise for the next 4-5 years in the future."


This, written in the very first few minutes of his hire.

Its built.

Quote:Nothing like hiding behind hypotheticals.


Same ol song and dance from this group.

It wasn't a hypothetical.  Based on the extent of the roster gutting that was done in year 1, it was pretty clear that it would take time to rebuild using the process they adopted of building almost exclusively through the draft and using free agency for temporary fixes.  The approach is different this off season because they've got the foundation they want in place that they brought in through the draft.  So, the free agency approach will be somewhat different as they're now looking for difference makers. 

 

If you listened to the radio show last night, there was a logical approach to their free agency strategy.  The first couple of seasons, it was almost exclusively about finding young talent on the rise and getting them on the cheap in prove it type deals.  It wound up getting us guys like Marks who eventually got new contracts based on performance.  They started to transition to finding players they felt could make more of a contribution this year, and for the most part, the free agent acquisitions did help this team, although not necessarily to the level that they were compensated. 

 

The team has continued to sit on a mountain of cap room, and it's becoming pretty clear that their intention is to go all in this off season to land those guys who can really help this team....if they make it to free agency for them to pursue. 

 

No hypothetical at all.  Simply fact. It's not a song and dance.  It's what they've actually done to date and what they've communicated their strategy to be moving forward. 

Quote:Bigcatcountry wrote the article about a 4-5 year rebuild correct? Meaning they should be the most understanding about this, right?


Wrong. They are just as tired as the "4-5 year" rebuild as anyone in here is.


Follow?

 

Alfie said 4-5 years.  The organization has said all along that this was a 3-4 year process using the approach they did.  Is this confusing you?  Alfie doesn't actually speak for the team.  You get that, right?

Quote:Its built.

The foundation for the future of this team is absolutely in place, but people like you do everything you can to misinterpret what they meant by that comment because to actually put some thought into what they meant might make your little domes explode from actual use.

2 articles from around the beginning of the rebuild. It seemed obvious this wasn't going to be quick.....

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/22638...-surprised

<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">But regardless of their competency—and I'm still pretty high on their process—turning around this roster in two years would've been a miracle. The Jaguars are going to need their big investments likeBortles and Joeckel to hit, and they're going to need to continue to accumulate talent at a quick pace to even become competitive in 2015. 

<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">And that's OK, because even a three-year plan seems aggressive when you chart out where this roster was coming from against similar teams. The Jaguars seem smart, but they aren't miracle workers, and they don't have a time machine. This could be a while. 

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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ding-again

<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(55,55,55);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, sans-serif;">Our takeway: The Jaguars might be another two or three years from contending, but they finally have the right leadership in place, from owner Shad Khan down to Caldwell and Bradley.

Quote:But this ext won't save him next year, remember?


I just find it funny, someone in a Gus Bradley contract extension thread, dares to utter the phrase "you prove it, you get your extension".


I'm so glad I have people as smart as you around.

 

What is your major mental malfunction?

 

I was talking about GM Dave's contract, not Gus.

 

Who the hell do you think signed off on keeping Gus another year?  DAVE DID...

 

Are some of you really as stupid as Joe and dare to back him up here, or are they fake accounts here to troll us all?

 

Like I said... all the GUS extension does is match his final season with DAVE and puts DAVEs signature on the job GUS has been doing.  Meaning, if GUS deserves to be fired next year then SO DOES DAVE.  Regardless, they will likely move on from BOTH the season after if not next year.  They are now inseparable due to DAVE's sign-off.

 

I certainly hope you know who DAVE is so I don't have to explain this any further... you seem confused enough already.

Quote:The foundation for the future of this team is absolutely in place, but people like you do everything you can to misinterpret what they meant by that comment because to actually put some thought into what they meant might make your little domes explode from actual use.

I wouldnt say the foundation is in place for the future. We still have many holes. Defense is terrible. We have 2 maybe 3 good players on defense. Offensive line is bad. No depth. Mind you, we still have these holes going into year 4, foundation, far from it.

Quote:I agree on the surface it would seem so... however...

if this team has talent on both sides of the ball, we can clearly see... I'm not sure Dave doesn't get a second shot at an HC hire.

 

Especially if he does well in the upcoming offseason...

Dave gets a shot at a 2nd coaching hire if the continually improving talent doesn't lead better results on the field, and it can be attributed back to the coaching. 

 

If the team under-performs and we see the kind of poor execution in 2016 that we saw this year, I don't know if Caldwell could actually survive that. 

 

This off season is critical for the team, the coach, AND the GM.  I think they recognize this, and that this was one of the reasons Bradley and his staff were given the extensions.  At the end of the process, if the team makes the turn most hope it will in 2016, they extensions will actually be worth it.  If the team doesn't make that turn, the extensions will be completely meaningless.

Quote:Alfie said 4-5 years. The organization has said all along that this was a 3-4 year process using the approach they did. Is this confusing you? Alfie doesn't actually speak for the team. You get that, right?

You are getting lost again, I was speaking in reference to someone that referenced Alfie, as in " the guy who wrote that article, that you are trying to use in defense, agrees with the people you are debating against".


I could not care less about Alfie Crow.

Quote:Its built.

 

Yes, they said that.

Quote:I wouldnt say the foundation is in place for the future. We still have many holes. Defense is terrible. We have 2 maybe 3 good players on defense. Offensive line is bad. No depth. Mind you, we still have these holes going into year 4, foundation, far from it.

You do understand that no roster is ever chalked full of pro bowlers at every position, right?  This isn't Madden, so I guess I can understand your confusion here.

 

The core of this team is built.  Depth is not considered the foundation.  It's depth. 

 

The offensive line isn't nearly as bad as it may have looked this year.  You have to actually put some thought into it to get my point, but when the best lineman on your roster goes on the IR, that has a ripple effect.  However, through that process, the team has probably identified long-term starting guards.  The Center position will probably wind up being addressed in free agency this year. We've addressed the skill positions, and the team is in good shape there for the foreseeable future.   Fix the line at Center, and bring in competition at LT to push Joeckel, and things should only get better on that side of the ball.

 

On defense, the team has some work to do, but there are core players who are absolutely part of the foundation of the rebuild already in place.  They've made it pretty clear that this is going to be a focus this off season.  No doubt, with the resources available, they're going to be able to plug most of those holes either through the draft or in free agency.

 

Every team has holes.  This team is in a unique position to address them this off season if the talent is available to do so. 

Quote:You are getting lost again, I was speaking in reference to someone that referenced Alfie, as in " the guy who wrote that article, that you are trying to use in defense, agrees with the people you are debating against".


I could not care less about Alfie Crow.

Who cares who was referenced?  They've subsequently come back with sources I would assume you would consider more credible who said the exact same thing.  So, while you're desperately trying to prop up your hatred for Alfie, you've been exposed elsewhere.  Keep targeting Crow.  I'm sure he appreciates the attention.

Quote:Who cares who was referenced? They've subsequently come back with sources I would assume you would consider more credible who said the exact same thing. So, while you're desperately trying to prop up your hatred for Alfie, you've been exposed elsewhere. Keep targeting Crow. I'm sure he appreciates the attention.

When did I target Crow? When I said I couldn't care less about him?


Sensitive much? Keep passionately caressing him, I know he appreciates it.

Quote:Who cares who was referenced? They've subsequently come back with sources I would assume you would consider more credible who said the exact same thing. So, while you're desperately trying to prop up your hatred for Alfie, you've been exposed elsewhere. Keep targeting Crow. I'm sure he appreciates the attention.

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Quote:You do understand that no roster is ever chalked full of pro bowlers at every position, right?  This isn't Madden, so I guess I can understand your confusion here.

 

The core of this team is built.  Depth is not considered the foundation.  It's depth. 

 

That's not a fan's take.  It's Dave and Gus' take.

 

"Having said this roster is now built, both Caldwell and Bradley admit they are still looking for depth but believe they have enough talent across the roster to compete."

 

http://www.news4jax.com/sports/jaguars-m...oster-cuts

 

Especially important detail for some that seem to still not know who Dave Caldwell is, and what he's responsible for.

Quote:That's not a fan's take. It's Dave and Gus' take.


"Having said this roster is now built, both Caldwell and Bradley admit they are still looking for depth but believe they have enough talent across the roster to compete."

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.news4jax.com/sports/jaguars-make-final-roster-cuts'>http://www.news4jax.com/sports/jaguars-make-final-roster-cuts</a>


Especially important detail for some that seem to still not know who Dave Caldwell is, and what he's responsible for.

Quote:... but believe they have enough talent across the roster to compete."

What am I missing? Were they not competitive?

Quote:That's not a fan's take.  It's Dave and Gus' take.

 

"Having said this roster is now built, both Caldwell and Bradley admit they are still looking for depth but believe they have enough talent across the roster to compete."

 

http://www.news4jax.com/sports/jaguars-m...oster-cuts

 

Especially important detail for some that seem to still not know who Dave Caldwell is, and what he's responsible for.

 

Another notable take from this article, is that Mularkey couldn't even find enough players from the trash Gene Smith collected for him to "build" a complete roster.

Quote:What am I missing? Were they not competitive?

 

You're missing nothing.

 

Dave and Gus are BOTH responsible for that.

 

The difference is what a fan would consider to be "competitive."

 

Whether good or bad... that's something they're both responsible for.  Gus for the coaching, and Dave for both the selection/extension of the coach and the players he's got at his disposal.