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Quote:What have you seen from Chase Daniels for you to have this faith in him?

 

 

Well it's everything I've seen and read, although I noticed long ago that he has a rocket arm.

Quote:Those passes were jump balls by design. AR15 isn't going to out run anyone.  You throw it up and let him use his body and hops to go get it.  As for 2016 we stopped throwing down field and opted to throw for 1 yard gains in the flat.  That's why Gus and Olson are no longer here.

 

 

What is this about AR15 not out running anyone? The guy is pretty fast, and I've seen him out run many dbs.

Quote:10,000? Come on... you made that up.

There's a well believed notion that 10,000 hours of practice makes you an expert. That's probably where he's coming from.

Quote:Yeah...that's what I'm saying... he's just so natural throwing the ball, and that goes for all levels of the field from short to deep. I have no doubts in my mind that he can throw, but until we see him more in game action it's hard to know about the rest of his game. I would like to know that Allen is at least given a fair shot to compete with Henne straight up for the backup role.


...part of me keeps wondering if we have Dak on our roster with Brandon and just don't know it.

It doesn't get easier for me to understand why brandon Allan hasn't seen the field at all.

Because I watched more of his college film. He's like a young favre except he takes less chances, looks more relaxed, and actually may throw a better fade.

I mean seriously. Go to YouTube and watch his college highlights and then espn and check his college stats.

It's unimaginable that Blake starts while this guy isn't even active.

Hopefully if Blake bombs put again TC will get Brandon in there. TC has to have the same film on Allan we do right?

Good God Allan throws so much better than Blake does. This kid hits guys in stride with darts...

Quote:It's literally brought up in every comment section or Bortles related topic I've visited around the internet lately. The guy is never gonna be able to live down holding a beer again without the claws coming out.

It's pretty pathetic. A majority of players drink. This is actually in my mind some sort of weird racism. Giving bortles some kind of beer drinking white trash label. Why? Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves or whatever but it's stupid. Don't get caught holding a beer or you'll be next.

Quote:I totally disagree. From all accounts Blake's teammates look up to him as a leader, and watching him talk he's a natural born leader. I fail to understand how you don't see this in him. Forget about former coaches... Blake would never throw a current player or coach under the bus, and I often see him taking blame for stuff that's so not even close to his fault.


 

Look, Blake has issues and I don't deny that, but his ability to lead men is not one of them.

 

I base that statement largely on his not owning the decision not to go to California last off season for supervision and instruction and then throwing his former coach(es) under the bus about it after this season was over when he was facing increasing amounts of heat for his performance as the season went on.  Leaders don't do those sorts of things. "Forgetting about former coaches" is convenient for those defending Bortles, but it's just as relevant to me as discussing current coaches and colleagues to the media.

 

Of lesser relevance, but still noted in my book is that he rarely if ever seems to get on his receivers for anything that might be their fault.  A real leader in my book takes ownership for his short comings and even for things that are not necessarily entirely his/her fault, but also demands that those around him also strive for excellence.  There is a distinction though about getting on them on the field and in the moment or one-on-one behind closed doors versus throwing them under the bus to the media.  Maybe he's doing this one-on-one with them behind closed doors, but I can only form my opinions from the information that I can gather.  I get the sense that Bortles is more interested in being buddies with his teammates than in striving for and demanding excellence.

 

Lastly and largely inconsequential if it was the only issue is the fact that he just doesn't seem comfortable in post game press conferences to me.  He has this nervous tic about touching his face and head with his hand when answering questions.  Sometimes he does it more than others.  I've seen him do it just a handful of times in some interviews and I've seen him do it 15-20 times in some interviews that are as short as 3 minutes.  Maybe it's correlated with losing because we've done too much of that for a long time. Once you notice it, it's hard to unnotice it.  It's not a confident look.  True leaders of men generally don't have body language issues in interviews.  I get the sense that he has very little interest in being there in those moments.  I can't imagine he has this tendency when he's just hanging with his boys or whatever, but maybe he does.  Even so, bad body language wouldn't lend itself to inspiring much of anything in your work colleagues in my opinion.  At any rate, I'm just not sure how you get "natural born leader" from him when you see him speak publicly.  I either get nothing from him or I get a lack of confidence from him.  He is often jovial in interviews, but that has little to do with being a leader of men to me.

Quote:I base that statement largely on his not owning the decision not to go to California last off season for supervision and instruction and then throwing his former coach(es) under the bus about it after this season was over when he was facing increasing amounts of heat for his performance as the season went on. Leaders don't do those sorts of things. "Forgetting about former coaches" is convenient for those defending Bortles, but it's just as relevant to me as discussing current coaches and colleagues to the media.


Of lesser relevance, but still noted in my book is that he rarely if ever seems to get on his receivers for anything that might be their fault. A real leader in my book takes ownership for his short comings and even for things that are not necessarily entirely his/her fault, but also demands that those around him also strive for excellence. There is a distinction though about getting on them on the field and in the moment or one-on-one behind closed doors versus throwing them under the bus to the media. Maybe he's doing this one-on-one with them behind closed doors, but I can only form my opinions from the information that I can gather. I get the sense that Bortles is more interested in being buddies with his teammates than in striving for and demanding excellence.


Lastly and largely inconsequential if it was the only issue is the fact that he just doesn't seem comfortable in post game press conferences to me. He has this nervous tic about touching his face and head with his hand when answering questions. Sometimes he does it more than others. I've seen him do it just a handful of times in some interviews and I've seen him do it 15-20 times in some interviews that are as short as 3 minutes. Maybe it's correlated with losing because we've done too much of that for a long time. Once you notice it, it's hard to unnotice it. It's not a confident look. True leaders of men generally don't have body language issues in interviews. I get the sense that he has very little interest in being there in those moments. I can't imagine he has this tendency when he's just hanging with his boys or whatever, but maybe he does. Even so, bad body language wouldn't lend itself to inspiring much of anything in your work colleagues in my opinion. At any rate, I'm just not sure how you get "natural born leader" from him when you see him speak publicly. I either get nothing from him or I get a lack of confidence from him. He is often jovial in interviews, but that has little to do with being a leader of men to me.

We know Blake has the talent. If he didn't, then we could go into detail but what it honestly all comes down to, is coaching.


No more excuses this year though. It's time.

I'll add that it was VERY leader-like of him to initiate off-season supervised practice sessions in his 2nd off-season here.  I don't remember ever hearing Gabbert do anything like that, but maybe I'm just not recalling it.  I just question the motivation now behind doing it this off-season.  Is it because he made a mistake, owns it, and wants to make sure it doesn't happen again, or does it stem from a feeling of necessity because of the criticism he's received for his play and for not doing this last year?  Only he can answer that now.  And none of what I brought up matters if he comes out and performs this year.  I hope he does.  I'm just illustrating why I have my doubts.

Quote: I just question the motivation now behind doing it this off-season.  Is it because he made a mistake, owns it, and wants to make sure it doesn't happen again, or does it stem from a feeling of necessity because of the criticism he's received for his play and for not doing this last year?  

 

Based on previous interviews and everything I've read about him, he just hates losing. He wants to win and he's trying to do whatever he can to make that happen. 

 

That's enough motivation  -  and if it's not enough - a second contract in the NFL certainly is. 

Quote:There's a well believed notion that 10,000 hours of practice makes you an expert. That's probably where he's coming from.

10,000 hours is approximately 417 days. If you devote 3 hours per day it would be approximately 3333 days or a little over 9 years.

 

 

Quote:Based on previous interviews and everything I've read about him, he just hates losing. He wants to win and he's trying to do whatever he can to make that happen. 

 

That's enough motivation  -  and if it's not enough - a second contract in the NFL certainly is. 

 

He doesn't show me the hate for losing, but I haven't watched everyone of his press conferences or interviews.  I hope that is true for his sake and ours though.  Him merely saying something along those lines doesn't mean much to me.  I'd need to see a clip where his tone and body language show it.  I haven't yet.  

 

The contract thing should motivate most, but what happens if and when he gets the contract.  That motivation alone doesn't cut it as far as him turning into "the guy".

Quote:He doesn't show me the hate for losing, but I haven't watched everyone of his press conferences or interviews. I hope that is true for his sake and ours though. Him merely saying something along those lines doesn't mean much to me. I'd need to see a clip where his tone and body language show it. I haven't yet.



The contract thing should motivate most, but what happens if and when he gets the contract. That motivation alone doesn't cut it as far as him turning into "the guy".

I find it strange how often fans feel like they need to see some extroverted expression or body language from players or coaches on gameday to trust their head is on straight.


These are individual humans with personalities and they won't alwAys react the way you think they should. That doesn't mean you know what they are thinking.


Blake's coaches and teammates harped on his ultra-competitiveness quite frequently in 2014 and 2015. Not sure how you missed that.


Last year it didn't come up much because he was clearly in a major slump and couldn't find his way out. He "looked" defeated at times - but I find little reason to doubt his resolve.


I'm more concerned about his ability to actually ingrain proper technique until it's second nature.

Would everyone agree that when Bortles went to California in 2015, he came back much improved over his rookie performance in 2014?

 

I agree that Bortles has an uphill battle, but we can't overlook 56 TDs in the last two years. Nor can we overlook the performance in his last two games. In the game vs. the Titans, he did everything asked of him. He shined. Let's hope he builds on that.

Quote:Would everyone agree that when Bortles went to California in 2015, he came back much improved over his rookie performance in 2014?

 

I agree that Bortles has an uphill battle, but we can't overlook 56 TDs in the last two years. Nor can we overlook the performance in his last two games. In the game vs. the Titans, he did everything asked of him. He shined. Let's hope he builds on that.

A better defense and a better run game will only help Blake even more. Imagine facing 3rd and 8 almost every single drive. Now he can hopefully get more 3rd and 3s and the defense can force more turnovers.

Quote:It's pretty pathetic. A majority of players drink. This is actually in my mind some sort of weird racism. Giving bortles some kind of beer drinking white trash label. Why? Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves or whatever but it's stupid. Don't get caught holding a beer or you'll be next.

fella said racism loooool

Quote:I find it strange how often fans feel like they need to see some extroverted expression or body language from players or coaches on gameday to trust their head is on straight.


These are individual humans with personalities and they won't alwAys react the way you think they should. That doesn't mean you know what they are thinking.


Blake's coaches and teammates harped on his ultra-competitiveness quite frequently in 2014 and 2015. Not sure how you missed that.


Last year it didn't come up much because he was clearly in a major slump and couldn't find his way out. He "looked" defeated at times - but I find little reason to doubt his resolve.


I'm more concerned about his ability to actually ingrain proper technique until it's second nature.

 

When the results are what they are, the scrutiny increases.  I don't need an overly emotive Ray Lewis type of response from a player. People read other people on more than just their words though, that's just part of life and not specific to football.  He doesn't often try to sell people on anything regarding his game and maybe that's just him.  The one thing he did try to sell was that his 2016 performance was on his coaches.  I don't think he did himself any favors by doing that.  In fact, he compounded the mistake he made by originally not doing this last off-season.  

 

Also, I think the 2016 regression had as much to do with Robinson not bailing him out like he was in 2015.  Robinson was the 80/20 jumpball guy in 2015.  He didn't play poorly in 2016, but clearly wasn't the same 80/20 guy he was the year before.  Bortles made the same mistakes in 2015 that he did in 2016 at about the same pace.  He just didn't have the same production he had the year before which made it easier to overlook and/or forget in 2015.

 

His body language by itself isn't a big problem.  It's just the accent piece in a picture of the situation I've drawn in my mind based on the information available.  I understand we're not all going to draw the same picture even if we're all dealing with the same set of information.

Quote:When the results are what they are, the scrutiny increases.  I don't need an overly emotive Ray Lewis type of response from a player. People read other people on more than just their words though, that's just part of life and not specific to football.  He doesn't often try to sell people on anything regarding his game and maybe that's just him.  The one thing he did try to sell was that his 2016 performance was on his coaches.  I don't think he did himself any favors by doing that.  In fact, he compounded the mistake he made by originally not doing this last off-season.  

 

Also, I think the 2016 regression had as much to do with Robinson not bailing him out like he was in 2015.  Robinson was the 80/20 jumpball guy in 2015.  He didn't play poorly in 2016, but clearly wasn't the same 80/20 guy he was the year before.  Bortles made the same mistakes in 2015 that he did in 2016 at about the same pace.  He just didn't have the same production he had the year before which made it easier to overlook and/or forget in 2015.

 

His body language by itself isn't a big problem.  It's just the accent piece in a picture of the situation I've drawn in my mind based on the information available.  I understand we're not all going to draw the same picture even if we're all dealing with the same set of information.

 

He's owned up to his mistakes. He knows it wasn't just coaching, but there was in fact a coaching problem.  It's no fluke that he looked better with Marrone and Hackett game-planning and calling plays. 

 

The Robinson thing is a non-factor in my mind. Robinson made lots of acrobatic catches last year that should have been routine - but Bortles' accuracy demanded otherwise.

Blake simply threw more uncatchable balls in 2016.

Robinson hauled in a nearly identical percentage of catchable balls from 2015 to 2016 in my estimation. Blake just threw more bad ones. 

He was far from perfect in 2015 but his footwork and mechanics fell off a cliff in 2016 and his accuracy suffered greatly as a result. 

 

Yes - we have differing opinions on Blake's mindset and the difference in his play from 2015 to 2016. No biggie. Hopefully his play in 2017 makes us forget about it all together.  

Quote:It's pretty pathetic. A majority of players drink. This is actually in my mind some sort of weird racism. Giving bortles some kind of beer drinking white trash label. Why? Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves or whatever but it's stupid. Don't get caught holding a beer or you'll be next.

 

Honestly...people are just salty because of Blackmon, half the fans are scared we will end up with another 'Drunk'.

 

I never once have give any flak to either Blake or Justin for it, who's to judge?

 

I wouldn't really go to say its racist, but it definitely is profiling. I just can't wait for all the haters to eat their crow this season, I'm sure Blake feels the same.

Quote:fella said racism loooool

Yeah racism isn't limited to the black population. I know you lack in the intelligence Dept and usually need KY to guide you first before you say anything on your own, but it's the same situation when any time a white RB is relevant, people generally only compare that RB to other white players.


For some people, it's blatant, for others it's a subconscious thing that they don't even realize they're doing, but it exists and it happens often.

Quote:Honestly...people are just salty because of Blackmon, half the fans are scared we will end up with another 'Drunk'.


I never once have give any flak to either Blake or Justin for it, who's to judge?


I wouldn't really go to say its racist, but it definitely is profiling. I just can't wait for all the haters to eat their crow this season, I'm sure Blake feels the same.

I'm pulling for Blake for multiple reasons. He seems like a good guy. He wants Jacksonville to win. And honestly, any fan of this team should be rooting for the guy. Blake becoming the guy is the best thing for our team.


Now racial profiling is just a form of racism, but that's probably a better way to describe it. No one called MOJO a drunk when he fought that dude in a bar....