To the topic of the thread. After watching those most recent videos of him at his golf tournament, he looks like he has hit the gym this offseason. Maybe his face just lost some of that baby fat but he doesn't look as soft around the edges. It sure would be cool to see him turn this around.
It's no secret I'm a Bortles believer.
For all those hating him, if he turns it around, don't worry, your crow is on me lol
Quote:No, his 2015 stats were not garbage time stats by any means. They were legit. Blake was on fire that year.
I want to drill this point home because I went over the games in 2015 to be sure. I looked at how much was garbage time TDs, etc, and it was a very small percentage. Often in 2015 he was in shoot-out games where he had to throw to win and did.
Now I can see how you formulated this opinion because last year we witnessed the most garbage time I've ever seen in a season, but you're wrong about 2015.
You can define garbage time however you want since there is no real standard. If you say it was a very small percentage of his 2015 stats were garbage time then you have an exceedingly restrictive definition of it.
The best way I've seen to explain his 2015 is that 39% of his stats came when the Jags were trailing by 10+ points. The next highest was Derek Carr at 18% I believe it was (could be a little off on that). Regardless, it was right around double the next highest in the league, not double the NFL average, double the 2nd highest. That's a massive amount of "come from behind stats".
His stats when the games were close were awfully pedestrian, and extremely inefficient.
Quote:You can define garbage time however you want since there is no real standard.
This definitely seems like what you are doing. ^
If a team is trailing in the 2nd and 3rd quarter (by ten or more) but within one score in the 4th -- calling the production in the 2nd and 3rd quarters "garbage time" is asinine.
He racked up some substantial passing numbers "playing from behind." But a rather small number in "garbage time."
It's really a very simple distinction.
Quote:You can define garbage time however you want since there is no real standard. If you say it was a very small percentage of his 2015 stats were garbage time then you have an exceedingly restrictive definition of it.
The best way I've seen to explain his 2015 is that 39% of his stats came when the Jags were trailing by 10+ points. The next highest was Derek Carr at 18% I believe it was (could be a little off on that). Regardless, it was right around double the next highest in the league, not double the NFL average, double the 2nd highest. That's a massive amount of "come from behind stats".
His stats when the games were close were awfully pedestrian, and extremely inefficient.
This is where your short sighted approach is glaringly obvious. You're not accounting for all variables so your numbers are bunk.
Most of his stats came from when the team was behind by 10 or more. Ok. How often were the jaguars behind by ten or more points? How often were the raiders? What's the league average? Etc...
You can take a few numbers and skew them any way you want.
Quote: This definitely seems like what you are doing. ^
If a team is trailing in the 2nd and 3rd quarter but within one score in the 4th -- calling the production in the 2nd and 3rd quarters "garbage time" is asinine.
He racked up some substantial passing numbers "playing from behind." But a rather small number in "garbage time."
It's really a very simple distinction.
10 points behind in my mind is almost never garbage time. 2 minutes is a lot of time to come up with ten points. But whatever makes the guy sleep better at night.
Quote: This definitely seems like what you are doing. ^
If a team is trailing in the 2nd and 3rd quarter but within one score in the 4th -- calling the production in the 2nd and 3rd quarters "garbage time" is asinine.
He racked up some substantial passing numbers "playing from behind." But a rather small number in "garbage time."
It's really a very simple distinction.
But I didn't use the phrase garbage time or try to put a definition on it, precisely for that reason.
You know what he was trying to insinuate, that very few of Blake's 2015 stats were inflated because of the score...which is wrong. Whether it happened because they were down big early or down big late makes little difference.
Quote:But I didn't use the phrase garbage time or try to put a definition on it, precisely for that reason.
You know what he was trying to insinuate, that very few of Blake's 2015 stats were inflated because of the score...which is wrong. Whether it happened because they were down big early or down big late makes little difference.
It makes a ton of difference.
The defense will play MUCH differently when the opposing team is down big with little to no chance of recovery.
Very few defensive coordinators are dumb enough to go conservative in coverages in the second or third quarter.
Quote:But I didn't use the phrase garbage time or try to put a definition on it, precisely for that reason.
You know what he was trying to insinuate, that very few of Blake's 2015 stats were inflated because of the score...which is wrong. Whether it happened because they were down big early or down big late makes little difference.
Being down 10 in the first quarter is extremely different than being down 18 with 3 minutes left. Do you think the opposing defense was putting out the same effort in the 1st quarter there as they did in the 4th? Highly doubtful.
Quote:It makes a ton of difference.
The defense will play MUCH differently when the opposing team is down big with little to no chance of recovery.
Very few defensive coordinators are dumb enough to go conservative in coverages in the second or third quarter.
I guess I shouldn't have said early cause I didn't really mean 2nd quarter, although those stats can still be plenty inflated by having to throw a lot more even if not inflated by a defense letting up.
They definitely can let up in the 3rd quarter though. The example I have seen people use, I believe jags02 even, is the Saints game. Blake had a boatload of meaningless stats in that 3rd quarter.
Quote:It makes a ton of difference.
The defense will play MUCH differently when the opposing team is down big with little to no chance of recovery.
Very few defensive coordinators are dumb enough to go conservative in coverages in the second or third quarter.
This. 100%.
I'm wondering if he likes anything the Jags do. I remember last year he was claiming Ramsey wasn't doing a great job in the 2nd half of the season.
Quote:This. 100%.
I'm wondering if he likes anything the Jags do. I remember last year he was claiming Ramsey wasn't doing a great job in the 2nd half of the season.
No, that's exactly opposite of what I said. I said Ramsey wasn't doing a good job until the 2nd half of the season. Which I backed up with a plethora of stats and expert opinions. I'm not going into that again, however.
Quote:No, that's exactly opposite of what I said. I said Ramsey wasn't doing a good job until the 2nd half of the season. Which I backed up with a plethora of stats and expert opinions. I'm not going into that again, however.
I stand corrected. You definitely were going at Ramsey though.
Do you like anything about the Jags though? I mean I understand how someone can be critical considering this team has lost so many times. However, the majority of posts I see from you bash just about everything. From Bortles to possibly Fournette to Fowler. I mean.... are you this critical about everything?
"I read an article that did the analytical test of these chick fila fries and their salt level is in the 27th percentile. That's not good for fries."
Quote:Yeah racism isn't limited to the black population. I know you lack in the intelligence Dept and usually need KY to guide you first before you say anything on your own, but it's the same situation when any time a white RB is relevant, people generally only compare that RB to other white players.
For some people, it's blatant, for others it's a subconscious thing that they don't even realize they're doing, but it exists and it happens often.
Theres just zero reason to think this is racist. Drinking isn't synonymous with white people, nor is anything about Blake synonymous with stereotypical "white trash". Its just a reach in all facets.
Its not a race thing
its a floridians are morons thing
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The example I have seen people use, I believe jags02 even, is the Saints game. Blake had a boatload of meaningless stats in that 3rd quarter.
Last season around this time I added up all of Blake's 2015 garbage time stats defined by "down by +10 from roughly halfway through the third quarter onward."
The results were 397 yards and 5 touchdowns.
Erase those stats from his 2015 season and he's still 11th in the NFL in both yards and TDs. The garbage time argument concerning his 2015 numbers is weak.
Playing from behind can inflate stats - but it's a different animal than "garbage time."
Quote:Its not a race thing
its a floridians are morons thing
That is definitely possible.
Quote:It's pretty pathetic. A majority of players drink. This is actually in my mind some sort of weird racism. Giving bortles some kind of beer drinking white trash label. Why? Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves or whatever but it's stupid. Don't get caught holding a beer or you'll be next.
Wow! Where are you getting the white trash label, and racism?? Multiple sources last season have reported seeing Bortles at the bars during the season. Yeah it's cool to drink a beer.. But if you are a QB of an nfl team and your team is playing like [BLEEP],no let me rephrase that "You" playing like [BLEEP]!Drinking at the bar is the last thing passionate fans want to hear..
And stop saying people hating on Bortles.. It's called telling it how it is! He was trash last year!
Quote:I stand corrected. You definitely were going at Ramsey though.
Do you like anything about the Jags though? I mean I understand how someone can be critical considering this team has lost so many times. However, the majority of posts I see from you bash just about everything. From Bortles to possibly Fournette to Fowler. I mean.... are you this critical about everything?
"I read an article that did the analytical test of these chick fila fries and their salt level is in the 27th percentile. That's not good for fries."
when you pick top 5 every year, pretty much everything deserves criticism.