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Now we're using Governor Moonbeam as an expert source?


 

Interestingly enough, the Dems representing the poorer districts in the state have finally recognized that Jerry Brown's proposed policies will hurt the poor the most.


 

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Cal...nge+Revolt
Quote:Now we're using Governor Moonbeam as an expert source?


 

Interestingly enough, the Dems representing the poorer districts in the state have finally recognized that Jerry Brown's proposed policies will hurt the poor the most.


 

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Cal...nge+Revolt
You guys are getting pathetic in the amount of name calling and childish tactics as of late. Carry on though I am sure you meant something very deep and thought provoking by it.  :no:
Quote:You guys are getting pathetic in the amount of name calling and childish tactics as of late. Carry on though I am sure you meant something very deep and thought provoking by it.  :no:
 

His nickname has been "Governor Moonbeam" since his first election back in the 1970s.


 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekin...inley.html
Quote:His nickname has been "Governor Moonbeam" since his first election back in the 1970s.


 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekin...inley.html
Fair enough. Did not know that. 
Quote:His nickname has been "Governor Moonbeam" since his first election back in the 1970s.


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mckinley.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mckinley.html</a>


Nothing about the letter itself? I'm totally surprised. He is referencing the scientific authority you ignore.
Quote:Fair enough. Did not know that. 
 

To add on to an old President, the problem with our liberal friends is also that they know so little that is.
Quote:To add on to an old President, the problem with our liberal friends is also that they know so little that is.
Can always count on you and FBT to keep the childish insults coming. So much anger, so much hate. 
Another good ama hosted on reddit:


Chemists on climate change:


https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comment...r_mahaffy/
Quote:Can always count on you and FBT to keep the childish insults coming. So much anger, so much hate. 
 

No anger, no hate. Just funny that folks who admit to being uninformed also have such strong opinions about what should be. What they know isn't right, what they don't know could fill the oceans. At some point dealing with the left is like dealing with your teenagers, they know everything about everything until one day they don't. Unfortunately the consequences to our society are much more severe.
Quote:No anger, no hate. Just funny that folks who admit to being uninformed also have such strong opinions about what should be. What they know isn't right, what they don't know could fill the oceans. At some point dealing with the left is like dealing with your teenagers, they know everything about everything until one day they don't. Unfortunately the consequences to our society are much more severe.
 

 

Shouldn't you be in the trans thread informing everyone of the current bigoted stance on mental illness of the LGBT community? Pontificate all you like, you can't have your stone age world back. 
Quote:No anger, no hate. Just funny that folks who admit to being uninformed also have such strong opinions about what should be. What they know isn't right, what they don't know could fill the oceans. At some point dealing with the left is like dealing with your teenagers, they know everything about everything until one day they don't. Unfortunately the consequences to our society are much more severe.


This is actually exactly what it is like dealing with the right on climate change. If nothing else, one thing you guys can do is project. Comes with the mental territory I expect.
Quote:Another good ama hosted on reddit:


Chemists on climate change:

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comment...r_mahaffy/
 

A chemist making a pitch to have some of those gigabucks spent on Global Warming Climate Change go to chemistry research? I'm shocked! SHOCKED!


 

The biologists jumped on the gravy train years ago. Instead of submitting a research proposal titled "Researching sex changes in freshwater trout" their proposals now are titled "Researching the effect of climate change on sex changes in freshwater trout." It's a win-win. They get taxpayers to fund their research out of the huge pool of 
Global Warming Climate Change funding and all they have to do is put some throw-away reference to climate change in their abstract.

Quote:A chemist making a pitch to have some of those gigabucks spent on <del>Global Warming</del> Climate Change go to chemistry research? I'm shocked! SHOCKED!


The biologists jumped on the gravy train years ago. Instead of submitting a research proposal titled "Researching sex changes in freshwater trout" their proposals now are titled "Researching the effect of climate change on sex changes in freshwater trout." It's a win-win. They get taxpayers to fund their research out of the huge pool of
<del>Global Warming</del> Climate Change funding and all they have to do is put some throw-away reference to climate change in their abstract.


Cool story bro. After you are done making ad hominem attacks against scientists in general, you should probably post a link to that geologist's blog. Because that wouldn't be pitiful.
Chemistry AMAAmerican Chemical Society AMA:


Hi! I’m Peter Mahaffy, Chem Professor and co-director of the King’s Centre for Visualization in Science. I’m here to discuss the crucial role for chemistry in addressing climate change challenges. I co-direct the King’s Centre for Visualization in Science and am professor of chemistry at the King’s University in Edmonton, Canada. I’m the past-chair of the International Union of Pure & Applied

Chemistry’s (IUPAC) Committee on Chemistry Education and served on the American Chemical Society Presidential Climate Science Working group.


Climate change is a defining challenge of the 21st Century – we’ve got to tackle this with all the scientific tools and imagination we have! Key stakeholders are in our chemistry classrooms right now, so both chemistry education and public awareness have important roles to play. In recent work on the planetary boundary framework that defines a safe operating space for humanity, climate change has been identified (Steffen, Rockström, et al, Science Feb 13, 2015) as one of only two core planetary boundaries with the potential on its own to drive the earth system into a new state, should the boundary be substantially and persistently exceeded. Much of the science underlying earth’s climate relies heavily on measurements and insights from the molecular sciences - so there are compelling reasons for the profession of chemistry to contribute to public understanding of the basic science and the challenges. Sustainable and green chemistry have crucial roles to play in working toward solutions. Did (or do) you experience these connections in the chemistry courses you took?


Check out three resources as you explore how fundamental understanding of chemistry relates to climate change challenges and solutions.


Explainingclimatechange.com - An IUPAC legacy project for the International Year of Chemistry to provide a set of critically reviewed, interactive, web-based learning tools to help students, teachers, science professionals and the general public make sense of the underlying science of climate change.


Visualizing the Chemistry of Climate Change (http://www.vc3chem.com and http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/sc500415k) - A recent project from our group in collaboration with colleagues at Purdue University and the American Chemical Society to create resources for learning general chemistry through the rich context of climate science.


ACS Climate Science Toolkit introduces the science of climate change to chemists.


I will be back at 11 am ET. Please AMA about the role for chemistry in addressing climate change challenges and in contributing green & sustainable chemistry solutions. I’m also very interested in discussing how chemistry education can empower the next generation of scientists and citizens to address these issues, and make chemistry more motivating and interesting at the same time. I’m delighted to be joined today by a group of 3rd and 4th year undergraduate chemistry students who have been studying green chemistry, and by Dr. Jerry Bell, who chaired the talented ACS Presidential Climate Science Working Group that created the ACS toolkit. Ask away!


^^I posted a link to the above. It's a good q and a session.
Here's some more helpful links:


How can we encourage scientific literacy in people who are past the typical schooling age?

I have the most trouble talking with fellow adults who may have forgotten all of what they learned in high school chemistry or think climate change will simply not affect them in their life time.


A: A crucial question! A Nature Climate Change paper (http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nclimate2728) published in July gives data on awareness of climate change and risk perception in 119 countries around the world. The picture it paints about public understanding is troubling. Public awareness and concern vary greatly around the world. The paper concludes that understanding the anthropogenic causes of climate change is the strongest predictor of climate change risk perceptions, especially in Latin America and Europe. To attain that understanding we need targeted strategies to communicate the current state of our climate and the anthropogenic causes. The Paris COP21 meetings in December will bring this to the political agenda across the world. The profession of chemistry has an important role to play in addressing sustainability issues, including climate change, in formal education curriculum at all levels, and also in reaching out to various publics that are within our circle of influence. The explainingclimatechange.com resource is an initiative from the International Year of Chemistry - 2011 to reach an audience with a Grade 12 or 1st year university background, highlighting the many connections that some fundamental understanding of chemistry can play. The ACS climate science tool kit is at a higher level and helps professional chemists know how to communicate with their peers and neighbours. Peter Mahaffy


^^maybe you can learn something, Malabar.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...-warnings/


They've known for decades. So have the republican leaders. They aren't stupid. They've all been briefed. This is the world you abide by.
Quote:Chemistry AMAAmerican Chemical Society AMA:


Hi! I’m Peter Mahaffy, Chem Professor and co-director of the King’s Centre for Visualization in Science. I’m here to discuss the crucial role for chemistry in addressing climate change challenges. I co-direct the King’s Centre for Visualization in Science and am professor of chemistry at the King’s University in Edmonton, Canada. I’m the past-chair of the International Union of Pure & Applied

Chemistry’s (IUPAC) Committee on Chemistry Education and served on the American Chemical Society Presidential Climate Science Working group.


Climate change is a defining challenge of the 21st Century – we’ve got to tackle this with all the scientific tools and imagination we have! Key stakeholders are in our chemistry classrooms right now, so both chemistry education and public awareness have important roles to play. In recent work on the planetary boundary framework that defines a safe operating space for humanity, climate change has been identified (Steffen, Rockström, et al, Science Feb 13, 2015) as one of only two core planetary boundaries with the potential on its own to drive the earth system into a new state, should the boundary be substantially and persistently exceeded. Much of the science underlying earth’s climate relies heavily on measurements and insights from the molecular sciences - so there are compelling reasons for the profession of chemistry to contribute to public understanding of the basic science and the challenges. Sustainable and green chemistry have crucial roles to play in working toward solutions. Did (or do) you experience these connections in the chemistry courses you took?


Check out three resources as you explore how fundamental understanding of chemistry relates to climate change challenges and solutions.




Explainingclimatechange.com - An IUPAC legacy project for the International Year of Chemistry to provide a set of critically reviewed, interactive, web-based learning tools to help students, teachers, science professionals and the general public make sense of the underlying science of climate change.


Visualizing the Chemistry of Climate Change (http://www.vc3chem.com and http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/sc500415k) - A recent project from our group in collaboration with colleagues at Purdue University and the American Chemical Society to create resources for learning general chemistry through the rich context of climate science.


ACS Climate Science Toolkit introduces the science of climate change to chemists.


I will be back at 11 am ET. Please AMA about the role for chemistry in addressing climate change challenges and in contributing green & sustainable chemistry solutions. I’m also very interested in discussing how chemistry education can empower the next generation of scientists and citizens to address these issues, and make chemistry more motivating and interesting at the same time. I’m delighted to be joined today by a group of 3rd and 4th year undergraduate chemistry students who have been studying green chemistry, and by Dr. Jerry Bell, who chaired the talented ACS Presidential Climate Science Working Group that created the ACS toolkit. Ask away!


^^I posted a link to the above. It's a good q and a session.
 

Yep, just as I said. A pitch to get some of the Global Warming Climate Change money going towards chemistry research.


 

Shocked I say!


 

SHOCKED!

Quote:Yep, just as I said. A pitch to get some of the Global Warming Climate Change money going towards chemistry research.


Shocked I say!


SHOCKED!


This is the best you can muster? Those are links to research and educational tools.


Again, ad hominem attacks on scientists is not a healthy look. These people are very smart and very dedicated to their work. Disparaging their profession because you don't like the implications of their findings is NOT an argument.
Quote:This is the best you can muster? Those are links to research and educational tools.


Again, ad hominem attacks on scientists is not a healthy look. These people are very smart and very dedicated to their work. Disparaging their profession because you don't like the implications of their findings is NOT an argument.
 

Not an ad hominem attack. Any scientist would be a fool to not take advantage of a fat pool of research money, especially when many universities make the ability to bring in research grants a big factor in raises and tenure.

Quote:Not an ad hominem attack. Any scientist would be a fool to not take advantage of a fat pool of research money, especially when many universities make the ability to bring in research grants a big factor in raises and tenure.
Here is an example Malabar---

 

<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;">A leaked copy of the world’s most authoritative climate study reveals scientific forecasts of imminent doom were drastically wrong.

<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;">The Mail on Sunday has obtained the final draft of a report to be published later this month by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the ultimate watchdog whose massive, six-yearly ‘assessments’ are accepted by environmentalists, politicians and experts as the gospel of climate science. 

<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;">They are cited worldwide to justify swingeing fossil fuel taxes and subsidies for ‘renewable’ energy.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z3lvwb8WWj 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...wrong.html