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I mean, seriously, does nobody even think about how huge a deflated football would have been in helping the pats beat the Ravens the week before?  Is it just me?

dude, let it go.

 

after that presser today, if you still believe that deflate gate is anything but nonsense you are a moron

Deflated yea okay? Blount burned um last year too.   Did they deflate it last year too?

Tom Brady made Mark Brunnel cry man tears.

Why does the NFL allow each team to provide footballs for their offense? This whole ridiculous situation could have been avoided if all game balls were controlled and distributed by the officials.

Quote:Why does the NFL allow each team to provide footballs for their offense? This whole ridiculous situation could have been avoided if all game balls were controlled and distributed by the officials.

Great question. The NFL Doesnt have enough money to foot the bill for all their balls???

Quote:LOL, I thought Belecheat and Brady both looked nervous, like they were trying to cover something up...  

 

Another thing..

 

Regarding the fumble thing...  During the AFC Divisional game against the ravens, the Pats put the ball on the floor like 2 or 3 times, but each time the ball was scooped back up by the pat returner...  A more deflated ball won't bounce so vigorously, thus making it easier to pick back up if you were the fumbler...

 

I did find it interesting, and frustrating during that Ravens game how each fumble was recovered right away by the patriots...  A deflated ball would lend credence to the reason why...

Are we talking about the same press conference? I'm talking about the unscheduled one that Belichick had just prior to the Senior Bowl on Saturday afternoon. Regarding the rest of your post... I think you're reaching hard.

Quote:Why does the NFL allow each team to provide footballs for their offense? This whole ridiculous situation could have been avoided if all game balls were controlled and distributed by the officials.

 

I think they allow each team to rough up the balls to whatever texture their quarterback likes them.   When the balls come from the factory, they are very slick, and need to be rubbed hard to make them more grip-able.   And since each QB has his own desired level of texture, they allow each team to have their own balls on offense.   It's just another way they bend over backwards to make it a more QB-centric league.   Aaron Rodgers likes it one way, Tom Brady likes it another way. 

Quote:I think they allow each team to rough up the balls to whatever texture their quarterback likes them.   When the balls come from the factory, they are very slick, and need to be rubbed hard to make them more grip-able.   And since each QB has his own desired level of texture, they allow each team to have their own balls on offense.   It's just another way they bend over backwards to make it a more QB-centric league.   Aaron Rodgers likes it one way, Tom Brady likes it another way. 

 

Yep, the QB is the most important player in the league. The QB must be coddled and he must be coddled hard.

Quote:Are we talking about the same press conference? I'm talking about the unscheduled one that Belichick had just prior to the Senior Bowl on Saturday afternoon. Regarding the rest of your post... I think you're reaching hard.

 

No, I didn't see yesterday's presser untill this morning.  I was talking about that thursday presser...  Or wednesday, or whatever day it was lat week.  :-)

 

I know, I probably am reaching...  I can concede that point.  But I don't think it's reaching to extrapolate that if they were deflating balls against the clots, they probably also deflated balls during the Raven's game.  

 

Also, if the weather affected the Patriots balls, how come the clot balls were not deflated?

 

LOL, clot balls... 

 

Sorry, but I just don't buy it.  In science you try to have one variable and one control group.  Assume that the clot balls were not tampered with.  Their balls are the control group.  They did not deflate.  But the pat's balls did deflate...  hmmmmm....  interesting...

See?!?!


Science!

Quote:See?!?!


Science!

 

It'll come out that the Pats were storing and inflating the balls in a room with a temperature of over 120 degrees to intentionally cause the balls to deflate when they hit the 50 degree weather outside. Creating the desired result without breaking the rules. it's the Patriot Way!

Quote:It'll come out that the Pats were storing and inflating the balls in a room with a temperature of over 120 degrees to intentionally cause the balls to deflate when they hit the 50 degree weather outside. Creating the desired result without breaking the rules. it's the Patriot Way!

 

LOL...  Gaming the system is NOT cheating!  It's the patriot way!  Well put!

Quote:It'll come out that the Pats were storing and inflating the balls in a room with a temperature of over 120 degrees to intentionally cause the balls to deflate when they hit the 50 degree weather outside. Creating the desired result without breaking the rules. it's the Patriot Way!

Technically all they would have to do is inflate them with hot air. The storage temp could just be normal room temperature, once they're outside the effect could happen.


But I'm pretty sure someone would notice some nice hot balls.

Just lol at the Pats and their fans. We all gotta suffer, even the consistently good franchises

Quote:...some nice hot balls.

 

I must've stumbled into the wrong forum.

Quote:Sorry, but I just don't buy it.  In science you try to have one variable and one control group.  Assume that the clot balls were not tampered with.  Their balls are the control group.  They did not deflate.  But the pat's balls did deflate...  hmmmmm....  interesting...

 

At the risk of this getting into the weeds...  You can't assume the clot footballs are the control group because they weren't in a controlled environment.  You have two sets of footballs that had two different psi results.  Something was different in either the process of where and how they were inflated or something happened to them along the way before the time they were tested or both.  That doesn't necessarily mean something was done to one set on purpose although I get that it is highly likely that something was done on purpose.  It still doesn't mean that anything was done illegally.  So there is no way, in my opinion, to convict or punish the Patriots for these results.  Nothing will likely come of this until the offseason when the process of preparing the game balls will be reviewed by the league and/or the rules will be rewritten and worded better.

 

Like I said in another post, if the Patriots figured out a way to get the balls to a certain more desirable psi during the game but followed the rules to the letter regarding inflating them and didn't manually deflate them... good for them.

1.) Belichick categorically denied preparation with hot air or a heated room


2.) He stated not all footballs react the same because they arent inherently congruent synthetic material but modified biologics.


3.) He also mentioned that routines of preparation vary and thus vary in their affect on psi


So he allowed for the fact that the football's prepped by the Colts may suffer less or no slump in psi.


It is still the nfls responsibility to prove intentional deflation.


All this could have been avoided if they had official ball boys that kept the balls after they ere turned over and a clear procedure if there was a descepency.


The idea tat something like this could cause us to question the integrity of playoff games is a reflection that the league office is incomprehensible

Deflategate is not about one game, in one season.


 

How many times did the Patriots win a close game?


 

How many seasons did they acquire an advantage by securing playoff games on their
 home field
 by one game? or one play when you think about it?


 

Were the Jaguars at a deflating disadvantage in Foxboro in the 2007 divisional playoff round?


 

How far back were the Patriots manipulating the pressure in their footballs? Five years? Ten years?


 

How many other rules have the Patriots manipulated to gain a competitive advantage? And for how long?


 

Belichick when first asked about the deflated footballs: “You’ll have to ask Tom Brady
about that.” He didn't stay with that answer very long.

 

 

A single bounce of a football can alter one play, one game, one season.

11 of 12 Balls two pounds or more under the 12.5 pound minimum. The 12th ball was under 12,5 pounds, but not as low as the other 11 (this is my understanding from various reports).

 

Was ball number 12 the replacement ball for the ball the Colts defender intercepted, and kept?  Possibly it hadn't been through the deflating process, yet.