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Quote:If the Jaguars deflated their balls this year, we'd still be 3-13. This story and Brunnel's rant is stupid.

 

How about this for that story..... "Former Jets quarterback Mark Brunell was among the list of NFL players who thought New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady might be a liar about his involvement in the alleged deflation of footballs before the AFC Championship game."

 

Thanks sports writers.

Quote:And this is the rub... haha

 

"the accuracy of the meters used to measure the footballs is unknown." 

 

Deny, Deny, Deny.  And blame everything but the obvious.  Sounds like I have my kids science experiment for next year.

 

I think you missed a lot of the article.  I found the following excerpts much more interesting:

 

 

Quote:“We took 12 brand-new authentic NFL footballs and exposed them to the different elements they would have experienced throughout the game,” said Thomas Healy, founder of HeadSmart Labs, in a press release. “Out of the 12 footballs we tested, we found that, on average, footballs dropped 1.8 psi when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”

 

and

 

Quote:But Nye added: “I cannot help but say, Go Seahawks.”

Quote:After their first 3 years, most stay pretty consistent throughout their career.

 

I know you as a Bills fan probably hate the Patriots and I don't like them either, but it's impossible to prove that Brady's QB rating jump has anything to do with cheating and not with him getting better and having a better talent around him.

 

Quote:More importantly they added Moss and Welker to replace the Shmoes that were previously their wideouts. They gave him talent to work with.

 

Yep.

We may get the additional info soon enough. 

 


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I was just about to post the above.  Do we really think the locker room attendant just deflated the balls on his own without being told what to do?  I don't doubt the guy will take the fall for the team.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/defla...ant-012615

Quote:I was just about to post the above.  Do we really think the locker room attendant just deflated the balls on his own without being told what to do?  I don't doubt the guy will take the fall for the team.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/defla...ant-012615

 

Well, nothing has been confirmed yet.  Media outlets have jumped the gun before in an effort to be the first to break something and then it ended up being not true or no big deal.  Something appears to be brewing though.

Quote:I was just about to post the above.  Do we really think the locker room attendant just deflated the balls on his own without being told what to do?  I don't doubt the guy will take the fall for the team.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/defla...ant-012615

I wish i could have a chunk of this guy's "hush money".

I predict the Patriots will try to use the "rogue ball boy" excuse.  Like he has been acting on his own for some unknown reason.

Quote:Well, nothing has been confirmed yet.  Media outlets have jumped the gun before in an effort to be the first to break something and then it ended up being not true or no big deal.  Something appears to be brewing though.

 

I think we all knew that it was someone like that guy that deflated the balls though.  Someone that had contact with the balls shortly after the referees had them is the most obvious person to be the scapegoat.

 

Now when you look at this, how much responsibility does the team have when one of their employees breaks the rules?  Does past precedent matter here?

Quote:I think we all knew that it was someone like that guy that deflated the balls though.  Someone that had contact with the balls shortly after the referees had them is the most obvious person to be the scapegoat.

 

Now when you look at this, how much responsibility does the team have when one of their employees breaks the rules?  Does past precedent matter here?

 

Common sense tells us that the team has 100% responsibility.

 

If the Patriots are innocent, I feel bad for them. This is such a distraction, it has to be affecting their preparation and emotions. The media really sabotaged this.

Quote:I think we all knew that it was someone like that guy that deflated the balls though.  Someone that had contact with the balls shortly after the referees had them is the most obvious person to be the scapegoat.

 

Now when you look at this, how much responsibility does the team have when one of their employees breaks the rules?  Does past precedent matter here?

 

I can envision a scenario of the ball boy taking the balls to a secret room at Gillette stadium on their way to the field and deflating them.  However, if the league truly cared about this before now why would they allow each team to handle their own game balls prior to the game to begin with?  I also find this much harder to envision for road games when anyone could be walking around and you have no control or a lot less control over whether you get caught or not.

 

If I'm not understanding the process here someone correct me, but the balls are inflated to 12.5 to 13.5 psi by each team and then handed over to the officials who verify the psi measurements prior to the game.  The balls are locked up and stored by the officials but then the balls are given back to a representative of the team to be brought to the field?  That seems asinine to me and almost like a wink, wink, nudge, nudge by the league that if you feel like deflating your game balls, now would be the time.

Quote:It works with the tires on my car.   In 80 degree weather, they register 35 to 37 PSI.   When it's 50 degrees, they register 30-32 PSI.   

 

Cold air will deflate things.   There's no doubt about that.   When warm air becomes cold, it contracts.  

There is nothing wrong with what you said. That is already a known and acknowledged fact.

Quote:They had a scientist from Boston do the research.  Not exactly an unbiased source.

 

They had no relation to what Wilson came out and said. Wilson said what Belichick was spouting was wrong.

Hernandez pled "Not Guilty"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wonder where he learned that.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one...  As most of us have already surmised, the patriots doctored the balls..  Shocker right?

 

Well...  For some it appears to be...

Quote:I can envision a scenario of the ball boy taking the balls to a secret room at Gillette stadium on their way to the field and deflating them.  However, if the league truly cared about this before now why would they allow each team to handle their own game balls prior to the game to begin with?  I also find this much harder to envision for road games when anyone could be walking around and you have no control or a lot less control over whether you get caught or not.

 

If I'm not understanding the process here someone correct me, but the balls are inflated to 12.5 to 13.5 psi by each team and then handed over to the officials who verify the psi measurements prior to the game.  The balls are locked up and stored by the officials but then the balls are given back to a representative of the team to be brought to the field?  That seems asinine to me and almost like a wink, wink, nudge, nudge by the league that if you feel like deflating your game balls, now would be the time.

I don't know if you ever heard of this concept before, but it's called personal responsibility.

 

Every other major professional league mandates that teams supply their own balls. The teams already have the staffing and info structure in place to manage the equipment and the designated proceeds to cover the costs.

 

Providing the equipment and making sure it complies with NFL regulations is part of the franchise's charter with the league. Teams fully accept this responsibility when they join the league. If they can't handle this responsibility, then they have the option to relinquish their charter and leave the NFL or face the the penalties they are due.

Quote:I don't know if you ever heard of this concept before, but it's called personal responsibility.

 

Every other major professional league mandates that teams supply their own balls. The teams already have the staffing and info structure in place to manage the equipment and the designated proceeds to cover the costs.

 

Providing the equipment and making sure it complies with NFL regulations is part of the franchise's charter with the league. Teams fully accept this responsibility when they join the league. If they can't handle this responsibility, then they have the option to relinquish their charter and leave the NFL or face the the penalties they are due.

 

Yes this "personal responsibility" concept does seem vaguely familiar to me...

 

All kidding aside, the Patriots personal responsibility has little to do with the league's enforcement of their own rules.  If they want a game ball that is inflated to somewhere between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, they are the responsible party for ensuring that's what is on the playing field and not creating windows of opportunity in the process.  It doesn't take "info structure", or infrastructure for that matter, for the league to keep an eye on the game balls once they take possession of them prior to the game.  Whether that's a ref or league official wheeling the balls out, or whether it's a league official walking with the ball boys once the balls are returned to the teams.  I'm sure those will be considered as possible solutions going forward.  

 

Patriots are likely guilty of something, but unless there is video evidence of the ball boy releasing air from the game balls in a private room that he side stepped into on his way to the field, I don't think any real punishment will come of this.  I'm sure changes in policy will though.  

^^THIS guy...  LOL

Seriously, I'm laughing out loud over here!!!  You're funny, Jagmeister!