Quote:Technically all they would have to do is inflate them with hot air. The storage temp could just be normal room temperature, once they're outside the effect could happen.
But I'm pretty sure someone would notice some nice hot balls.
It's the cold ones that would bother me!!! :blink:
Quote:11 of 12 Balls two pounds or more under the 12.5 pound minimum. The 12th ball was under 12,5 pounds, but not as low as the other 11 (this is my understanding from various reports).
Was ball number 12 the replacement ball for the ball the Colts defender intercepted, and kept? Possibly it hadn't been through the deflating process, yet.
Or most likely, the kicking ball. A deflated kicking ball wouldn't help the pats at all.
it was not a kicking ball. There are twelve footballs not 11 + a kicking ball.
I'm sorry but this is all [BAD WORD REMOVED] The Patriots did not do anything to the footballs to deflate them during that game. The fact that Bill Belichick stood on a podium yesterday for an hour and went over everything he possibly could regarding this topic is reason enough to put this nonsense to bed.
This is the price Patriots fans pay for Spygate. The price is listening to idiots who know nothing about Spygate rant rave and spout venom against the Pats because they are "Cheaters".
Idiots everyone of you. You all tried to paint Screwdriver as an [BAD WORD REMOVED] in this thread. Guess what? It didn't work. His wait and see approach instead of Jumping headfirst into this Media Driven Witch Hunt Like 99% of you all did was the correct one. I hope you all apologize to him over the way he was abused - Especially by the Moderators on this forum who participated in the lynching. Sheep - every single one of you - wouldn't know how to form your own opinions on a topic unless you read in on espn. For shame.
Quote:At the risk of this getting into the weeds... You can't assume the clot footballs are the control group because they weren't in a controlled environment. You have two sets of footballs that had two different psi results. Something was different in either the process of where and how they were inflated or something happened to them along the way before the time they were tested or both. That doesn't necessarily mean something was done to one set on purpose although I get that it is highly likely that something was done on purpose. It still doesn't mean that anything was done illegally. So there is no way, in my opinion, to convict or punish the Patriots for these results. Nothing will likely come of this until the offseason when the process of preparing the game balls will be reviewed by the league and/or the rules will be rewritten and worded better.
Like I said in another post, if the Patriots figured out a way to get the balls to a certain more desirable psi during the game but followed the rules to the letter regarding inflating them and didn't manually deflate them... good for them.
Sorry, but the clots balls were inflated to the proper psi and maintained that psi. They are the control group...
Illegal, on the other hand is a very good word choice... The patriot way is to go right up to the line of what constitutes legality. Face it, the control group was there. The clots balls maintained the psi... The pat balls didn't. Clearly something was done to change the results in the "variable". That something was done by the patriot organization.
It's actually very simple.
1 set of balls maintained psi. 1 set deflated. The balls were not defective... Therefore, someone within the organization tampered with the balls.
Case closed.
Quote:it was not a kicking ball. There are twelve footballs not 11 + a kicking ball.
I'm sorry but this is all [BAD WORD REMOVED] The Patriots did not do anything to the footballs to deflate them during that game. The fact that Bill Belichick stood on a podium yesterday for an hour and went over everything he possibly could regarding this topic is reason enough to put this nonsense to bed.
This is the price Patriots fans pay for Spygate. The price is listening to idiots who know nothing about Spygate rant rave and spout venom against the Pats because they are "Cheaters".
Idiots everyone of you. You all tried to paint Screwdriver as an [BAD WORD REMOVED] in this thread. Guess what? It didn't work. His wait and see approach instead of Jumping headfirst into this Media Driven Witch Hunt Like 99% of you all did was the correct one. I hope you all apologize to him over the way he was abused - Especially by the Moderators on this forum who participated in the lynching. Sheep - every single one of you - wouldn't know how to form your own opinions on a topic unless you read in on espn. For shame.
OHHHHHHHH, the greatest cheating coach of all time talked about he's innocent of cheating... So it's all over... Well, I'm convinced....
I'm sure you still believe OJ Simpson was innocent too?
Just keep looking at the below picture and keep telling yourself that a liar that is adamant about his lies being the truth ALWAYS works out!
![[Image: palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813]](http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813)
LOL
Quote:it was not a kicking ball. There are twelve footballs not 11 + a kicking ball.
I'm sorry but this is all [BAD WORD REMOVED] The Patriots did not do anything to the footballs to deflate them during that game. The fact that Bill Belichick stood on a podium yesterday for an hour and went over everything he possibly could regarding this topic is reason enough to put this nonsense to bed.
This is the price Patriots fans pay for Spygate. The price is listening to idiots who know nothing about Spygate rant rave and spout venom against the Pats because they are "Cheaters".
Idiots everyone of you. You all tried to paint Screwdriver as an [BAD WORD REMOVED] in this thread. Guess what? It didn't work. His wait and see approach instead of Jumping headfirst into this Media Driven Witch Hunt Like 99% of you all did was the correct one. I hope you all apologize to him over the way he was abused - Especially by the Moderators on this forum who participated in the lynching. Sheep - every single one of you - wouldn't know how to form your own opinions on a topic unless you read in on espn. For shame.
Where did the air go?
Quote:Where did the air go?
Black hole... It's the obvious answer, duh! Of course the greatest cheating coach of all time is innocent, right? The patriots are a pristine organization... Just ask them!
Also, anyone that listens to ESPN radio knows they are defending the patriots like crazy!!! You'd think ESPN is the mouth-piece of the patriots!
The air disappeared the same place your brain goes when you discuss this idiotic story. No one knows.
And anchorman - damn straight. If BB or the Patriots had anything to do with this "story" You would not have heard one word from Belichick about it. He would have admitted he was wrong, taken his punishment and moved on. Just like he did with spygate. He didn't in this case. He felt the need to defend the Honor of the Team, Player and Organization because people like you are trying to burn the Patriots down. That says an awful lot about this.
Why am I even arguing this? I watched you all try to eviscerate a poster on this board who only said "wait and see". I'm the idiot who expects people to be able to think rationally for themselves. Instead of I see a bunch of moronic posts full of ire, bile, innuendo and bad stats. Good Grief I a an Idiot and You people are stupid.
edit: espn defending the Pats? get real. They have been killing them about this all week long, Go check BDawk, Jerome Bettis, Mark Brunell, Tony Kornheiser, Mike Wilbon etc and tell me they have been defending them again - this time try it with a straight face.
Quote:The air disappeared the same place your brain goes when you discuss this idiotic story. No one knows.
And anchorman - damn straight. If BB or the Patriots had anything to do with this "story" You would not have heard one word from iabout it. Yet he felt the need to defend the Honor of the Team, Player and Organization because people like you are trying to burn the Patriots down. That says an awful lot about this.
Why am I even arguing this? I watched you all try to eviscerate a poster on this board who only said "wait and see". I'm the idiot who expects people to be able to think rationally for themselves. Instead of I see a bunch of moronic posts full of ire, bile, innuendo and bad stats. Good Grief you people are stupid.
I know you're upset that the "dynasty" of your beloved team was built on a house of cards. But dude, just face facts. The balls were tampered with by the organization. It happened.
They cheated--- Again. That's what they do. They cheat and they walk the fine line. Sometimes they don't cheat but just bend the rules. Othertimes they cheat.
This is one of those times where they cheated... And lucky they did... You guys beat the Ravens thanks to those deflated balls you guys have been using for years now...
Troll along Ron.
You know it and I know it - this is a non story. I'm done arguing with some one who has the intellect of a 7th grade dropout.
Spygate? Over it.
Deflate gate? Over it.
Jags Still Suck? Yup
Other Teams Fans jealous of Pats? Based on this thread? Hell yeah.
Quote:Troll along Ron.
You know it and I know it - this is a non story. I'm done arguing with some one who has the intellect of a 7th grade dropout.
Spygate? Over it.
Deflate gate? Over it.
Jags Still Suck? Yup
Other Teams Fans jealous of Pats? Based on this thread? Hell yeah.
LOL, admit it... It bugs you... that's why you're here trying to defend what cannot be defended. You write pretty well, so I can assume you are pretty intelligent.
You're having a hard time coming to terms with this, because you were brought up knowing right from wrong. Your parents did a great job raising you.
Now your brain is trying to make the leap that your morals won't let you and it makes you angry. I'm sorry the patriots put you into this corner...
But it would be best to realize that it's really the coach that's the cheater. Not the organization you follow. Maybe the QB is also a cheater... But remember you support the name on the front of the jersey, not the back...
hey, at least your team never had a murderer on it, like the ravens.... Oh wait... Hernandez.... LOL, man your organization is a mess!!!!!
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The Patriots did not do anything to the footballs to deflate them during that game. The fact that Bill Belichick stood on a podium yesterday for an hour and went over everything he possibly could regarding this topic is reason enough to put this nonsense to bed.
Sheep - every single one of you - wouldn't know how to form your own opinions on a topic unless you read in on espn. For shame.
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Quote:Troll along Ron.
You know it and I know it - this is a non story. I'm done arguing with some one who has the intellect of a 7th grade dropout.
Spygate? Over it.
Deflate gate? Over it.
Jags Still Suck? Yup
Other Teams Fans jealous of Pats? Based on this thread? Hell yeah.
Funny...you don't see us coming to your board talking about it do you? You don't want to listen to it anymore...be gone from here, you'll never have to read it again.
No one is jealous of your cheating team...get over yourself! You go ahead and keep supporting a team that keeps getting busted for cheating and the rest of us will keep talking about it. Coming to our message board and stomping your feet like a whiny child that isn't getting their way isn't going to change squat.
My organization is a mess?
3-13
4-12
2-14
5-11
8-8
7-9
5-11
and you think my organization is a mess?
I am Proud of the Patriots and what they have accomplished. And I will defend them until I turn blue in the face if I have to. However, in this instance I am done with it. Why? The allegations are Baseless. There is nothing to substantiate those allegations. There is only science that backs up what Bill Belichick, the Greatest Head Coach in the game said yesterday.
He avered that the Patriots had nothing to do with this "issue". If you don't believe him because you let ES{N fill your head with erroneous information regarding the Patriots then so be it - There is nothing I can say to change your mind. So I won't. And You can wistfully walk around with the Dunce Cap on your head for the rest of your life unless you develop the skill of critical thinking.
Oh and Ron I would like some fries with my order please.
Quote:The air disappeared the same place your brain goes when you discuss this idiotic story. No one knows. (Somebody Knows) :yes:
And anchorman - damn straight. If BB or the Patriots had anything to do with this "story" You would not have heard one word from Belichick about it. He would have admitted he was wrong, taken his punishment and moved on. Just like he did with spygate. He didn't in this case
Spygate evidence got destroyed to save anyone from finding out how badly Belichick was cheating.
Quote:My organization is a mess?
3-13
4-12
2-14
5-11
8-8
7-9
5-11
and you think my organization is a mess?
I am Proud of the Patriots and what they have accomplished. And I will defend them until I turn blue in the face if I have to. However, in this instance I am done with it. Why? The allegations are Baseless. There is nothing to substantiate those allegations. There is only science that backs up what Bill Belichick, the Greatest Head Coach in the game said yesterday.
He avered that the Patriots had nothing to do with this "issue". If you don't believe him because you let ES{N fill your head with erroneous information regarding the Patriots then so be it - There is nothing I can say to change your mind. So I won't. And You can wistfully walk around with the Dunce Cap on your head for the rest of your life unless you develop the skill of critical thinking.
Oh and Ron I would like some fries with my order please.
Congratulations...you're proud of a team that cheats. Zippity Doo Dah!
Hey Bch, think I will keep this place in my loop of sites I check. Maybe you should do the same - check out other boards - You might actually learn 1) how to moderate a board properly 2) learn something about football, The More You Know! and all that
Quote:Hey Bch, think I will keep this place in my loop of sites I check. Maybe you should do the same - check out other boards - You might actually learn 1) how to moderate a board properly 2) learn something about football, The More You Know! and all that
Please tell me what sites turned you into a blind sheep willing to accept whatever garbage they spoon feed you...I damn sure want to avoid those!!
Olive - The spygate evidence was actually aired on Fox News. Jay Glazer still has the tapes. Didja know that? How about learning about a topic before flapping your gums about it? Better to remain silent and let em think you are a moron than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.