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Then answer the questions I posed above of its so obvious.

Quote:Then answer the questions I posed above of its so obvious.

 

Why wouldn't Mcnally speak with him again after "The Deflator" came to light?

 

Why wouldn't Tom Brady give him the text messages between the two guys that handled the footballs?  The Patriots said they were 100% complaint, but its obvious they were not in a couple instances.

 

Why was someone who was not authorized to bring the footballs out of that room taking them into the restroom?  When questioned by NFL security that night, why did he say he brought them directly to the field?

 

Do we really believe that Mcnally called himself the Deflator because of weight loss?  Do the Patriots (and their fans) think the general public is that stupid?

 

Why was Mcnally given equipment, jerseys, and autographes for doing just a game day part time job?  Why did Brady say that he didn't know who either of them were?

 

Why does their seem to be a pattern of pushing the limits of the rules by the Patriot organization?

 

Why did all 11 footballs the Patriots used test below the minimum level of 12.5 psi and the 4 Colts footballs tested between 12.5 to 13.5?  Why did other teams give the "heads up" that this could be happening?

 

It's easy to bring up random questions and say stuff that really has no relation to the topic.

Quote:What did Robert Kraft ever do to you, lol? Did he used to date your mom or something? You seem awfully invested in this whole thing, taking it very personally.

 

It's the shirts.  The blue shirts with the white collar.  We hates them.

 

Anyhoo, all this stuff about Ideal Gas Law is meaningless.  The Ideal Gas Law was invented so chemists could ponder hypotheticals which do not exist in nature.  However, there is a much more ideal gas for footballs than "air".  It is nitrogen, which is much less affected by temperature changes.  Many tire stores will fill your tires with nitrogen, which provides several benefits - less seepage, more stable psi with temperature swings, and the gas is less harmful to the rubber in tires.

 

They should just standardize the balls to 13 psi filled with nitrogen, and make everybody use the same ball.  But you'd probably have the Patriots using a nitrogen / helium mix in Foxboro.  Cheaters gonna cheat.

So I just saw on the Sports Illustrated Twitter feed that Goodell has stated that the League did not ask the Patriots organization to suspend the two workers.

 

Man, talk about dragging this thing out!

Quote:So I just saw on the Sports Illustrated Twitter feed that Goodell has stated that the League did not ask the Patriots organization to suspend the two workers.

 

Man, talk about dragging this thing out!

 

I really wish they would just tell Brady we'll drop your suspension to three games if you end this now.

 

It's old.

LOL, Goodell is really turning the screws.  He wants to hear from Brady, to see if Tom will turn over the texts that will clear this thing up LOL.  Brilliant. 

 

“I look forward to hearing directly from Tom if there’s new information, . . . information that can be helpful to us getting this right,” Goodell said.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...y-himself/

Quote:Anyhoo, all this stuff about Ideal Gas Law is meaningless.  The Ideal Gas Law was invented so chemists could ponder hypotheticals which do not exist in nature.  However, there is a much more ideal gas for footballs than "air".  It is nitrogen, which is much less affected by temperature changes.  Many tire stores will fill your tires with nitrogen, which provides several benefits - less seepage, more stable psi with temperature swings, and the gas is less harmful to the rubber in tires.

 

They should just standardize the balls to 13 psi filled with nitrogen, and make everybody use the same ball.  But you'd probably have the Patriots using a nitrogen / helium mix in Foxboro.  Cheaters gonna cheat.

 

Dry air is very close to an ideal gas. Moist air isn't. The point of bringing up the ideal gas law is to show that the pressures were as expected after cooling to 48 F. Water vapor condensing would lower the pressure even more, so the air used to fill the balls that day was probably rather dry.


 

Nitrogen would certainly be better but it makes a much bigger difference for tires which have to last years, vs. footballs which are discarded after one game. Until the clots made a big deal about it, nobody worried about the inflation of the footballs. Unless they are really far out of spec it probably makes no difference, other than psychological. The NFL had an opportunity but didn't do anything to improve the haphazard manner in which the footballs are prepared.


 

I'm not sure why nitrogen would make a significant improvement over air as far as leakage is concerned. Molecular weight is a big determinant in leakage, which is one of the big problems with hydrogen. The 22% of air that isn't nitrogen consists of mostly oxygen, with some argon, both of which are heavier than molecular nitrogen. Maybe this is another case of water vapor being the problem.

It's not the molecular weight, it's the molecular size that matters.  A nitrogen molecule is 4x the size as an oxygen molecule.  There's almost no permeation (seepage) of tires filled with nitrogen, while tires filled with compressed air lose 1-3 psi per month.  Nitrogen is also inert, so it doesn't react with rubber, metal, etc. 

 

I believe Costco uses nitrogen when they mount tires.  Goodyear offers it as an option.

So why do pats balls deflate more rapidly then clots balls?

Quote:So why do pats balls deflate more rapidly then clots balls?

Because of "The Deflator"

 

Why are the two ball boys, managers, whatever their title is still suspended?  Probably a "permanent suspension"? If there wasn't any funny business why are these guys out of a job right now? They're seemingly taking the fall for Brady/Kraft/Belichick.

A very nice Slate article on PDS (Patriots Derangement Syndrome)  Caution:  contains facts, discernment, and perspective:

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/spo..._over.html

Quote:A very nice Slate article on PDS (Patriots Derangement Syndrome)  Caution:  contains facts, discernment, and perspective:

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/spo..._over.html

 

Really good article.

 


A Nobel Prize winner disputes the science of the Wells Report: I note without comment that the esteemed laureate is a neurobiologist whose work is unrelated to ideal gas theory. He is, however, the founder of a startup company, one of whose principal investors is “the Kraft Group,” according to the Boston Globe.

Quote:Really good article.


A Nobel Prize winner disputes the science of the Wells Report: I note without comment that the esteemed laureate is a neurobiologist whose work is unrelated to ideal gas theory. He is, however, the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/14/patriots-scientific-expert-started-company-which-kraft-group-invested/B09nkFwTbQ5i5hJTz7yYfN/story.html?p1=stream_'>founder of a startup company</a>, one of whose principal investors is “the Kraft Group,” according to the Boston Globe.

And boom.

He also notes that a signed, game-worn Tom Brady jersey recently sold for more than $45,000.  The payoffs in memorabilia to the ball boy may not have cost Brady much, but they were certainly valuable. 

Quote:He also notes that a signed, game-worn Tom Brady jersey recently sold for more than $45,000.  The payoffs in memorabilia to the ball boy may not have cost Brady much, but they were certainly valuable. 

 

A lot of people would have done that job for free.  Getting a jersey worth 45k is a good deal for him. lol

 

I'd do gameday on field work or behind the scenes.  It would be fun.  Wouldn't even have to pay me as long as I was on the field.

Quote:So why do pats balls deflate more rapidly then clots balls?

 

How do you know that they do?

Quote:How do you know that they do?

Read the wells report. Or, if that's too much, read the 2nd page of the slate article TravC59 linked above

Hat tip to Bullseye or one of the other intrepid types that bought up the fumbling stats in earlier threads.  That slate rebuttal is actually nice and concise.  Still tired of it all

Quote:How do you know that they do?

He doesn't, he's just needling you.

Quote:He doesn't, he's just needling you.

 

It was surely a pointed question.