More misinformation.
1.) The investigators had the phonesof both Mr. McNally and Mr.Jastremski, which included all of their text messages BEFORE they interviewed the two of them for an ENTIREDAY with FOUR LAWYERS!
2.) The term DEFLATOR was used in ONE TEXT... ONE. And in another text, McNally used the phrase "Maybe I should deflate and give that jacket to someone else." Referring to, you guessed it, loosing weight. but that text that provided CONTEXT was omitted from the Wells report.
3.) Even with all of the text messages from the two men they were only able to find a handful that were close to being relevant, and don't take into account the context of time. IF this was a vast ongoing conspiracy don't you think it would have come up more directly than 10-12 ambiguous text messages?
4.) they were unable to find any electronic communications from Tom Brady! They had all the text messages of the only two other people involved in the alleged conspiracy and they couldn't find ANY from Tom Brady and didn't have any evidence or witness that referenced a text or communication that was deleted from either the device of Mr. Jastremski or Mr. McNally.
5.) the request for McNally's second interview and tom brady's electronic communication came AFTER they had all the texts from both attendants and they had already talked to McNally for an entire DAY with FOUR LAWYERS!
Finally and in summation, the whole deal about non cooperation is B.S. because they didn't have concrete evidence that the balls were tampered with in the first place. You can keep repeating the talking points against the pats all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that no one can prove that the balls were tampered with
More importantly, we DO KNOW that the league INTENTIONALLY LEAKED false information about the PSI READINGS at half-time to make it look more likely that balls were manipulated (Most people think we are talking about a "couple pounds" of psi when in reality the alleged infractions is between 1/2 and 3/4 of a pound which incidentally is within the margin of error exhibited between the two gauges in question). We do know that the league over looked blatant recorded repeat violations by the Indianapolis colts of the same rule about integrity of the footballs. We do know that as soon as they got to a Colt's football that was on the borderline on one gauge and low on the second gauge they STOPPED MEASURING FOOTBALLS.
We do know the league intentionally leaked false information?
How exactly do we know that? That seems like wishful thinking.
If the league intentionally leaked false information, would not that story be all over the place? Even espn would be running that story...
Also, wells stated that he wanted a follow up interview after additional facts came to light.
Denying a follow up interview is shady at best.
I for one feel more confident with wells as opposed to those trying to obstruct the investigation.
Quote:More misinformation.
1.) The investigators had the phonesof both Mr. McNally and Mr.Jastremski, which included all of their text messages BEFORE they interviewed the two of them for an ENTIREDAY with FOUR LAWYERS!
2.) The term DEFLATOR was used in ONE TEXT... ONE. And in another text, McNally used the phrase "Maybe I should deflate and give that jacket to someone else." Referring to, you guessed it, loosing weight. but that text that provided CONTEXT was omitted from the Wells report.
3.) Even with all of the text messages from the two men they were only able to find a handful that were close to being relevant, and don't take into account the context of time. IF this was a vast ongoing conspiracy don't you think it would have come up more directly than 10-12 ambiguous text messages?
4.) they were unable to find any electronic communications from Tom Brady! They had all the text messages of the only two other people involved in the alleged conspiracy and they couldn't find ANY from Tom Brady and didn't have any evidence or witness that referenced a text or communication that was deleted from either the device of Mr. Jastremski or Mr. McNally.
5.) the request for McNally's second interview and tom brady's electronic communication came AFTER they had all the texts from both attendants and they had already talked to McNally for an entire DAY with FOUR LAWYERS!
Finally and in summation, the whole deal about non cooperation is [BAD WORD REMOVED] because they didn't have concrete evidence that the balls were tampered with in the first place. You can keep repeating the talking points against the pats all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that no one can prove that the balls were tampered with
More importantly, we DO KNOW that the league INTENTIONALLY LEAKED false information about the PSI READINGS at half-time to make it look more likely that balls were manipulated (Most people think we are talking about a "couple pounds" of psi when in reality the alleged infractions is between 1/2 and 3/4 of a pound which incidentally is within the margin of error exhibited between the two gauges in question). We do know that the league over looked blatant recorded repeat violations by the Indianapolis colts of the same rule about integrity of the footballs. We do know that as soon as they got to a Colt's football that was on the borderline on one gauge and low on the second gauge they STOPPED MEASURING FOOTBALLS.
How do you know they had all of the text messages of the other two guys? I'm pretty sure nobody would agree to hand over every single detail of their phone, including personal messages to family....kind of like what they asked Tom Brady to do.
I think you're making stuff up as you go.
Because they had their phones!
And the reported halftime measurements I had leaked by NFL sources were wrong that is a matter of public record.
Quote:And the reported halftime measurements I had leaked by NFL sources were wrong that is a matter of public record.
Are you a Patriots fan?
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Try losing the Reynolds Wrap and explain the following texts:
The day after Brady used a 16-psi ball in the Jets game:
McNally: "Tom sucks…im going to make that next ball a f—in balloon." (Oct. 17, 2014)
Jastremski: "Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…" (Oct. 17, 2014)
McNally: "16 is nothing… wait till next Sunday" (Oct. 17, 2014)
It sounds like McNally was unable to deflate at least one of the balls used in the Jets game. It doesn't sound like McNally inflated the ball in the Jets game, but clearly he is threatening to inflate balls in the future because he is mad at Tom. It definitely points to a systemic program of tampering with psi, with the process being driven by Tom Brady and strong indications that the lackeys doing the dirty work are reluctant participants threatening to undermine the scheme.
The following week McNally is clearly still PO'd at Brady:
McNally: "Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before Sunday" (Oct. 21, 2014)
McNally: "F— tom….make sure the pump is attached to the needle…..f—in watermelons coming" (Oct. 23, 2014)
He is clearly threatening to INFLATE balls to get back at Brady. Why would McNally be mad at Tom Brady?
Quote:Do u work for ted wells?
No, you just continue to ignore the completely obvious things that point to the deflation of the footballs.
You evading the question speaks volumes. You are simply passing along the same rhetoric that other Patriot fans are spreading across the internet. You are all completely blinded by your fandom that you can't simply admit he did it and move on.
you omitted that key text from that particular exchange. They keep txt read that "the refs blanked us. The refs did not recheck the balls after they inflated them." This clearly shows that no one on the Patriots staff would not gauge and/or tamper with the balls after the referees inflated them. If they would then they would have. they also clearly state that they reject the game balls the next day.
why would McNally be mad? Simple, because Tom Brady went off when he was using a ball he knew was over inflated during a football game.I'm sure that he yelled at all the ball boys anyone that had any thing to do with ball preparation that day. As evidenced by the fact that McNally was cursing him.
you fail to recognize two key points. 1. That clinical precision was not applied to the PSI of game balls as evidence by the texts on October 17th that the balls were so far out of balance due to no fault of the New England Patriots. 2. Is it the over inflation of the game balls themselves is a violation of Rule two and puts the NFL itself proven guilty of the same thing they are alleging the Patriots Patriots to of done. But yet there is no call to have the text messages of Rex Ryan and the head game with fictional from the October Jets game handed over to the whales investigators.
and UCF night if you think the absence of convincing scientific evidence is proof the balls were deflated that your opinion I just wouldn't call that obvious.
Wasn't the Jets game the one where Brady went running around with the rule book showing the refs it's supposed to be 12.5 - 13.5? Were the refs lax about the psi, or did they check the Patriots' game balls, find them under-inflated, and give them a squirt of air? I dunno. It does point to the Patriots and Brady being very aware about inflation and how Brady strongly prefers it at the lowest legal psi.
But why the contention between Brady and the ball boy? McNally doesn't have any control over the balls once the refs check them. The fact Brady was PO'd at McNally means The Deflator didn't perform his needlework very well, or maybe he didn't get a chance to.
BTW, I note that Belichick has not been allowed to open his yap again after the initial clumsy remarks in which he claimed he had never in his whole coaching career thought about the air in footballs. Really, Bill? Did your mind go blank when your QB was chasing the officials around after the Jets game because of air in footballs?
Youre still missing it. After inspection, the Balls weren't to spec. That means that a. The refs are fallible. B. There is no safeguard our redundant protocols ti what's the accuracy of the refs even something as simple as recording the measurements and the gauge used to make them. Wuth that in mind it is inherently assinine to assume that even if it the balls werent to spec during the afc championship game that the only explosion is the pats personell. Put simply 2.5 psi over "well refs will be refs theyre not perfect" but an alleged .5 below ave its a conspiracy?
If mcnally was tampering with tge balls he would have just let air out during the jets game.
Add you have yet to hold the refs to the same scrutiny as the pats when they negligently allowed balls to be used to the detriment of the pats outside if the integrity rules.
Sorry, I don't play the game of "somebody else wasn't perfect so the Pats are innocent". Sure, maybe the refs "cheated" Tom Brady by overinflating balls, but It doesn't change the fact that the Pats' personnel did tamper with game balls after the refs okayed them, were caught doing it and caught lying about it. Brady is very strongly implicated, and while there may not be the "smoking gun" Kraft insists the NFL needs, the fact that Brady did not cooperate and Kraft refused to let McNally be interviewed again, makes it a case of clear and willful obstruction, which under league guidelines is a serious violation carrying a potentially heavy penalty. Robert Kraft made the decision about McNally, so he is culpable. Brady is facing his own sanctions, in part for not cooperating.
This "might" have been a slap on the wrist if the Pats had cooperated fully. I say "might" because full cooperation could have led to more questions about exactly how long the scheme was in place, who knew, whose idea it was, etc. That could mean lifetime bans for Brady and Belichick and serious "death penalty" sanctions against Kraft and the Pats. There is really no other reason for them to fight this so hard, and certainly no reason to go into cover-up mode over an issue of 0.5 psi in 1 or 2 balls during 1 game. The Pats immediately reacted as guilty and have continued to act guilty. They have a lot more to hide than tampering in 1 game.
Quote:Sorry, I don't play the game of "somebody else wasn't perfect so the Pats are innocent". Sure, maybe the refs "cheated" Tom Brady by overinflating balls, but It doesn't change the fact that the Pats' personnel did tamper with game balls after the refs okayed them, were caught doing it and caught lying about it. Brady is very strongly implicated, and while there may not be the "smoking gun" Kraft insists the NFL needs, the fact that Brady did not cooperate and Kraft refused to let McNally be interviewed again, makes it a case of clear and willful obstruction, which under league guidelines is a serious violation carrying a potentially heavy penalty. Robert Kraft made the decision about McNally, so he is culpable. Brady is facing his own sanctions, in part for not cooperating.
This "might" have been a slap on the wrist if the Pats had cooperated fully. I say "might" because full cooperation could have led to more questions about exactly how long the scheme was in place, who knew, whose idea it was, etc. That could mean lifetime bans for Brady and Belichick and serious "death penalty" sanctions against Kraft and the Pats. There is really no other reason for them to fight this so hard, and certainly no reason to go into cover-up mode over an issue of 0.5 psi in 1 or 2 balls during 1 game. The Pats immediately reacted as guilty and have continued to act guilty. They have a lot more to hide than tampering in 1 game.
Honestly, its not worth responding to him. His arguements are all based on what the refs didnt do, and it doesn't hold the real people accountable.
The rest of what he said he read online and is regurgitating the absolute trash that he's found.
A guy doesn't call himself the deflator and get free stuff from Tom Brady for losing weight.
Quote:But why the contention between Brady and the ball boy? McNally doesn't have any control over the balls once the refs check them. The fact Brady was PO'd at McNally means The Deflator didn't perform his needlework very well, or maybe he didn't get a chance to.
Brady complained about the balls being at 16 psi, 2.5 psi above spec. The refs wouldn't have added air to the balls in the Jets game if McNally had done his job and fully inflated them to 12.5 psi to begin with. That explains why Brady was upset at McNally.
And doesn't that imply that Brady wants the balls inflated to spec to make sure they stay at the bottom end of the range?
The actual measurements show that the balls were at the expected air pressure at halftime, so there was no cheat, at least against the clots. No air was removed after the refs measured them before the game or the halftime pressures would have been a lot lower. Now we're down to some suspicious E-mails and failure to jump through every hoop Wells asked for. People here who emphasize the 'lack of cooperation' angle are assuming that Wells is honest about what he asked for and why. Wells is a lawyer. Do you know how you can tell if a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.
Don't you think that one of the equipment guys would have fessed up if there was anything to confess? This was not a criminal matter. They had already been fired, so there would be nothing to lose by telling the truth at that point.
Quote:Brady complained about the balls being at 16 psi, 2.5 psi above spec. The refs wouldn't have added air to the balls in the Jets game if McNally had done his job and fully inflated them to 12.5 psi to begin with. That explains why Brady was upset at McNally.
And doesn't that imply that Brady wants the balls inflated to spec to make sure they stay at the bottom end of the range?
The actual measurements show that the balls were at the expected air pressure at halftime, so there was no cheat, at least against the clots. No air was removed after the refs measured them before the game or the halftime pressures would have been a lot lower. Now we're down to some suspicious E-mails and failure to jump through every hoop Wells asked for. People here who emphasize the 'lack of cooperation' angle are assuming that Wells is honest about what he asked for and why. Wells is a lawyer. Do you know how you can tell if a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.
Don't you think that one of the equipment guys would have fessed up if there was anything to confess? This was not a criminal matter. They had already been fired, so there would be nothing to lose by telling the truth at that point.
You ignore the fact that McNally is not supposed to alter the balls in any way once the refs have checked them. We don't know how 1 or more balls in the Jets game got to 16 psi. McNally could have made the ball(s) so soft the refs would have added air. Or, McNally could have overinflated the ball(s) himself to defy Tom Brady's orders to underinflate. It seems very unlikely that the refs would take balls inflated to spec and add air.
The lack of cooperation is not something you can just blow off by saying the questioner was dishonest. That is a classic guilty tell. They were required as a condition of membership in the league to cooperate fully, and did not. The lack of cooperation is not in dispute, and the Patriots had to know a lack of cooperation would go heavily against them. There was only one reason to stonewall - they knew the heavy penalty for stonewalling was small compared to the extent of the cheating.
And you are naive if you think the "equipment guys" aren't the key figures in the Patriots' "circle-the-wagons" strategy. No, it's not a criminal matter, but those 2 lunkheads likely posses information that could take down the Patriots if the extent of the cheating was ever revealed. You ask why wouldn't they rat? Be cause a billionaire doesn't want them to rat.
The one question that no one wants to answer (including Kraft) that I have is:
If the ball boys are completely innocent and this is just some drawn up conspiracy from the NFL, why were the ball boys suspended indefinitely after the Wells report was released if there was no wrong doing?
Quote:The one question that no one wants to answer (including Kraft) that I have is:
If the ball boys are completely innocent and this is just some drawn up conspiracy from the NFL, why were the ball boys suspended indefinitely after the Wells report was released if there was no wrong doing?
I'm sure Kraft felt so terrible about the mistake that he gave them new jobs on his yacht at double the pay. Unfortunately, it's on an extended cruise and they won't be available for interview anytime in the foreseeable future.
Exactly. Those guys are in a very special place. They have a billionaire's nutz in a vise. That could be real profitable or real unhealthy.