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Quote:You mean how easy to deflate 12 footballs. Some guy from the NY Daily News did it in something like 77 seconds.

 

He said next time he'll also go to the bathroom.

 

Looks like the Patriots hired the wrong ball boy.

I think the simplest answer is that there were footballs already waiting in the bathroom that Brady has preapproved. The ball boy just switched out the inflated ones for the deflated one's...

Quote:Looks like the Patriots hired the wrong ball boy.

Looks like Goodell picked the wrong season to stop sniffing glue.


:-)

Quote:I think 90 seconds is plenty of time to deflate 11 balls.  How long does it take for each one?  Insert the valve and count to 3, pull the valve out and go to the next one.

I just heard on the radio it takes 40 seconds to deflate 11 balls.  This was from Joe Theisman.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/122442...lls-common

 

 

like i said.... everyone does it.

Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12244290/ex-quarterback-jeff-blake-deflating-footballs-common'>http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12244290/ex-quarterback-jeff-blake-deflating-footballs-common</a>

 

 

like i said.... everyone does it.

I really don't understand the rule. If the balls are better with less air then why have a rule against it? What sense does that make?

32 pages on shrinking balls?  Impressive!

Quote:I really don't understand the rule. If the balls are better with less air then why have a rule against it? What sense does that make?

It makes the balls good for the offense, not so good for the defense.

Quote:http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/122442...lls-common

 

 

like i said.... everyone does it.

 

If everyone does it, why were the clot balls not deflated?  Why were the ravens complaining about it too?   Jeff Blake is saying that everyone deflates balls?  OK...  I guess he's credible?

 

But if everyone deflates balls, how come nobody but a washed up QB is saying that?

Quote:If everyone does it, why were the clot balls not deflated?  Why were the ravens complaining about it too?   Jeff Blake is saying that everyone deflates balls?  OK...  I guess he's credible?

 

But if everyone deflates balls, how come nobody but a washed up QB is saying that?

 

do you go around bragging about how often you go over the speed limit or roll through stop signs?

an excerpt from that article....

 

"I'm just going to let the cat of the bag, every team does it, every game, it has been since I played," Blake said. "'Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can't feel the ball as well. It's too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and lets just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it's not the point to where it's flat.

"So I don't know what the big deal is. It's not something that's not been done for 20 years."

Quote:Another interesting stat:

If you look at just Brady's fumbles as a % of Sacks you get something like:

2001-2006: 59 fumbles / 182 sacks (32%)
2007-2014: 37 fumbles / 182 sacks (20%)

 

 

didnt feel like digging up that chart you posted with pats fumbles vs the rest but here is this for you too.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/your-...-analyses/

Quote:an excerpt from that article....

 

"I'm just going to let the cat of the bag, every team does it, every game, it has been since I played," Blake said. "'Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can't feel the ball as well. It's too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and lets just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it's not the point to where it's flat.

"So I don't know what the big deal is. It's not something that's not been done for 20 years."

 

From the same article:

 

Quote:Many other NFL quarterbacks have said the opposite, that they've never messed with the inflation of a ball or seen anyone do so.

Not to mention nowhere does Jeff Blake say that they deflated balls to below regulation standards.  Just that the balls were too hard, which implies that it was overinflated.

 

Quote:I really don't understand the rule. If the balls are better with less air then why have a rule against it? What sense does that make?

If I'm a big QB like Flacco or Big Ben, then I don't want these under inflated balls allowed in the NFL. These balls let smaller, less physically gifted QBs to play at my level.

Quote:From the same article:

 

Not to mention nowhere does Jeff Blake say that they deflated balls to below regulation standards.  Just that the balls were too hard, which implies that it was overinflated.

 

 

that last part is definitely true, but if theyre deflating them, they dont know the exact PSI and deflating them in general is a rule violation, so to say that "oh hey we deflated them but kept them above regulation...." wouldnt really fly.

 

on top of that this is one of those things that they arent really supposed to admit, so when someone says that they dont/its not a common thing i dont really believe them.

 

when someone comes out and admits it, i think that speaks a higher volume.

Quote:didnt feel like digging up that chart you posted with pats fumbles vs the rest but here is this for you too.

 
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/your-guide-to-deflate-gateballghazi-related-statistical-analyses/'>http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/your-guide-to-deflate-gateballghazi-related-statistical-analyses/</a>

Thanks, it's interesting.

 

I do read 538.com quite a bit and like most of their work. I've read Neil Paine's articles in the past and it's fairly obvious he's not a big follower of football with an almost rudimentary understanding of it (he's more of a baseball guy). He was justifiably crucified for his last article which basically concluded that cheating should can overlooked because the game was a blowout. I've also read the sources he's used for this last article. All attacked the analysis by pointing out the flaws, but none attempted to explain the difference before and after 2007.

 

He wrote a new blog entry addressing the criticism of his work: http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/


The Advanced Football Analytics (Brian Burke) also looked at Sharp's work and think, while not perfect, does show a trend that needs more investigation. Burke tweeted this about one of the articles Paine used as a rebuttel:

 


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<p style="font-size:18px;">This article is so disingenuous it makes stat guys look bad and I don't like it. http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710<span> …</span>


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Quote:It makes the balls good for the offense, not so good for the defense.

 

Since when does the NFL care about defense?   :teehee:

 

I suppose there would be a drop in fumbles, but D’Qwell Jackson sure does like him some deflated balls.  

Quote:do you go around bragging about how often you go over the speed limit or roll through stop signs?

 

I think the stop sign/speed limit analogy doesn't work here.  But I understand your point, I think...  I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're basically saying that this infraction is a minor one.  Right?  I guess that could be argued as a valid point.

 

But...  I think the main issue here is that the "everyone" is doing it excuse doesn't hold if you find 1 team is NOT doing it.  The clots didn't do it...  So the argument get's thrown out as invalid.  Also, the Ravens, from articles I read, were also not doing it because they tipped off the clots to it too...  At least from an article I read.

 

So that right there are 2 teams that apparently don't do what Jeff Blake is asserting is done across the league.  If doing something against the rules is only done by 1 side, it gives an unfair advantage, and thus is considered cheating.  Even is the unfair advantage is perceived as being a minor unfair advantage.  In a game like the NFL where inches make all the difference, there is no such thing as a "minor" unfair advantage.

Quote:I think the stop sign/speed limit analogy doesn't work here. But I understand your point, I think... I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're basically saying that this infraction is a minor one. Right? I guess that could be argued as a valid point.


But... I think the main issue here is that the "everyone" is doing it excuse doesn't hold if you find 1 team is NOT doing it. The clots didn't do it... So the argument get's thrown out as invalid. Also, the Ravens, from articles I read, were also not doing it because they tipped off the clots to it too... At least from an article I read.


So that right there are 2 teams that apparently don't do what Jeff Blake is asserting is done across the league. If doing something against the rules is only done by 1 side, it gives an unfair advantage, and thus is considered cheating. Even is the unfair advantage is perceived as being a minor unfair advantage. In a game like the NFL where inches make all the difference, there is no such thing as a "minor" unfair advantage.

Not necessarily. I'm saying that there are rules that we all break and authorities aren't stupid. They know we do it.


But if every person who speeds, talked about it in the eye of the public, then it would become something that is enforced much more strictly.

Quote:Not necessarily. I'm saying that there are rules that we all break and authorities aren't stupid. They know we do it.


But if every person who speeds, talked about it in the eye of the public, then it would become something that is enforced much more strictly.

 

If there socks were the wrong height or from the wrong manufacturer the Patriots would be in bigger trouble than they are over on field performance improvement.  Going and potentially winning a superbowl will be worth any penalty the league slaps at the Patriots.  And it is fair that their legacy is being tarnished even by these simple lesser infractions.