Quote:yep. that is why I see these numbers as nice, but it's honestly becoming rather average.
Almost every decent QB is putting up "huge" numbers.
We'll see how the season plays out. I suspect when the season ends, he'll be among the top 5 or 6 quarterbacks in TD passes.
Quote:You were wrong. It's okay.
You're splitting hairs to save face. Mariota as a rookie is on a better pace than Bortles in his 2nd year, all the while demonstrating far better poise in the pocket and in the face of adversity, better at going through his progressions and making good decisions, way more accurate, and has been huge in the clutch all year.
Quote:You're splitting hairs to save face. Mariota as a rookie is on a better pace than Bortles in his 2nd year, all the while demonstrating far better poise in the pocket and in the face of adversity, better at going through his progressions and making good decisions, way more accurate, and has been huge in the clutch all year.
I'm not the one throwing out bad data. You are.
why are people still arguing with idiots?
Quote:You were wrong. It's okay.
It is a consistent theme.
Quote:13 TDs in 6 games, over a 16 game season that would be closer to Bortles 34. You're right, I miscalculated for an 18 game season. Regardless, his current pace is better than the pace Bortles is on. Nevermind the fact that Mariota just made his 6th career start while Bortles is well into his 2nd season as a pro.
Doesn't really matter, he's not even the best rookie qb. His first touchdown today was nothing more than a pinball bouncing off two defenders.Let me guess, that's part of his accuracy? The ability to make two defenders knock the ball right into the tight ends hands?
Quote:Doesn't really matter, he's not even the best rookie qb. His first touchdown today was nothing more than a pinball bouncing off two defenders.
Who has been better? I mean Winston has been more accurate than Bortles, but that's not saying much. Furthermore, so what, he had one lucky play. Take that away and he still had over 300 yards, 3TDs 0 INTS 70%+ completion rate and a clutch win in OT.
We would have had to bring the morgue for Mariota today the way Bortles was getting hit. Also, Bortles has not missed a game in his career. Mariota has already missed a quarter through just 8 games.
Quote:Who has been better? I mean Winston has been more accurate than Bortles, but that's not saying much. Furthermore, so what, he had one lucky play. Take that away and he still had over 300 yards, 3TDs 0 INTS 70%+ completion rate and a clutch win in OT.
He did all that against the New Orleans juggernaut defense? Had to be clutch, being they rank 31st in total defense! BTW, don't get so defensive over the failed pick. Even legends like Marcus have bad throws.
BTW Winston over Marcus, 300 yards does not matter.
Quote:He did all that against the New Orleans juggernaut defense? Had to be clutch, being they rank 31st in total defense! BTW, don't get so defensive over the failed pick. Even legends like Marcus have bad throws.
At least the won a game in a hostile environment. What has Bortles done against good competition?
Anyone who thinks Blake is the problem is clueless. This team would be getting blown out by 20+ every game without him.
How many times does he extend the play because our OLine is made of Swiss cheese?
Quote:At least the won a game in a hostile environment. What has Bortles done against good competition?
2300 yards, 17 touchdowns,9 picks, and close to 200 rushing yards.Anything else genius?
Bortles over a 16 game season
~ 34 TDs 20 INTs 4,387 yards, 6.5 YPA 56% completion rate
Mariota over a 16 game seaon
~ 35 TDs 13 INTs 4,293 yards, 8 YPA 65% completion rate
Sorry guys, you were right. Bortles is hands down the best QB in the AFC South. :whistling:
Quote:Mariota is not "on pace for nearly 40".
This guy is pulling stats out of his rear
Quote:idk, Marcus Mariota seems lightyears ahead of Bortles of 2014...
Of course he does. "seems" is the important word. He seems better because in 2014 the OC was even worse than now. But there were still really good flashes by BB5 even with the Albino Rhino as the main RB and 2 rookie WRs and CSIII as the main targets. LOL, considering all that, Mariottas would not have finished his rookie season as the 2014 Jaguars QB.
Quote:You're splitting hairs to save face. Mariota as a rookie is on a better pace than Bortles in his 2nd year, all the while demonstrating far better poise in the pocket and in the face of adversity, better at going through his progressions and making good decisions, way more accurate, and has been huge in the clutch all year.
You don't really understand football do you? It's OK...
Let me break it down for my fellow Jaguar fans... i watched the Saints game today... Marriottas is not asked to actually carry his team. Matter of fact, he's bailed out on every scoring drive. Now, if you just look at Mariottas stat line, you may think he looks legit... But if you actually watch the tacks play, you see that every successfull drive is because of a great effort by the RB or by the WR after a check down.
Though I will say, the game winning TD pass he threw was really nice. All he had to do was lob it up in the air and let his reciever catch it.
But if you actually watched the game winning drive, it was not because of Marriatoas that they won that game. The RB made some amazing runs and the recievers got alot of great yards after catch.
BB5 is light years ahead of the tack QB. And as time goes on, Marrioatass will be shown as a reach... But, let's face it. The tacks have better coaching than the Jaguars do. So they obviously look better than us right now.
Quote:Bortles over a 16 game season
~ 34 TDs 20 INTs 4,387 yards, 6.5 YPA 56% completion rate
Mariota over a 16 game seaon
~ 35 TDs 13 INTs 4,293 yards, 8 YPA 65% completion rate
Sorry guys, you were right. Bortles is hands down the best QB in the AFC South. :whistling:
Hard to base an entire season over 6 great quarters of football, and garbage in between.And what happened to not being able to use 30 percent as a sample size? That's what Mariota has given you, just over thirty percent of a sixteen game season.
Quote:Bortles over a 16 game season
~ 34 TDs 20 INTs 4,387 yards, 6.5 YPA 56% completion rate
Mariota over a 16 game seaon
~ 35 TDs 13 INTs 4,293 yards, 8 YPA 65% completion rate
Sorry guys, you were right. Bortles is hands down the best QB in the AFC South. :whistling:
Uh... I'm sorry... Has Marriotattass played 16 games? I'm not sure what the heck non-sense you're talking about...
BB5 looks better than your guy, and it's not even close. Your guy has better coaching and better defense to lean on. BB5 is doing it all by himself.
Anyone that actually watches both the tacks and the Jaguars play can see the difference.
The tacks are better coached, the tacks have a better defensive philosophy, the tacks have a better O-Line...
The one area the Jaguars outshine the tacks is at QB. Just deal with it.
I think I've been pretty critical of Blake. And I am concerned that he isn't a winner (he makes a lot of mistakes when the game is still within reach). But I'm pretty encouraged overall by his play. He can definitely make all the throws and is capable of moving the offense and scoring points. He's got a big arm and a bit of a gunslinger's mentality; I like that, especially after years and years of constant Captain Checkdowns at QB.
A lot of the game's top QB's have taken years to really grow into elite players, whether they were starting the entire time or sat on the bench early. Drew Brees-passer ratings of 76, 67 in 2 of first 3 seasons...Philip Rivers-didn't start until year 3...Aaron Rodgers-didn't start until year 4, Tom Brady-obviously ridiculously successful early but wasn't exactly prolific right off the bat, and didn't finish with a passer rating over 90 until year 5 (and obviously the guy was an immediate winner, but you can also consider the team around him as well as the head coach)...Manning-28, 15, 15, 23 and 19 int's in first 5 seasons.
I think it takes a few years for any QB to really get comfortable in this league. My greatest concern is that Bortles is not showing the winning pedigree that the guys I've listed always did; but then again he hasn't had very good players and coaches around him either, and I think it's safe to say he's in a more difficult situation when it comes to winning than any of those guys were. He's going to continue to make head-scratching plays at least the rest of this year, and I know I'll curse him, for lack of self-control if nothing else. But I think that if we stick with him for the long haul, he'll keep improving and end up more like these guys mentioned than, say, a Matthew Stafford who hasn't grown at all. And even if he's that, it's a heck of a lot better than Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne, Byron Leftwich, David Garrard etc.
What's really more important right now is putting the pieces around him: a better, more experienced o-line, getting the TE position straightened out, a DEFENSE with a better pass rush and secondary, heck some better LB's not named Telvin Smith, a kicker and punter that are worth a darn, a dependable punt returner, and a NFL CALIBER COACHING STAFF *deep breath* pretty much everything but WR and starting RB.
Quote:Bortles over a 16 game season
~ 34 TDs 20 INTs 4,387 yards, 6.5 YPA 56% completion rate
Mariota over a 16 game seaon
~ 35 TDs 13 INTs 4,293 yards, 8 YPA 65% completion rate
Sorry guys, you were right. Bortles is hands down the best QB in the AFC South. :whistling:
Apples and oranges comparison right now...why are you on a Jaguars message board anyway?