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Quote:Your hypothesis? What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about the facts- TD%, INT%, completion%, YPA, QB rating, TD:INT ratio, redzone completion % and QB rating. You know, commonly accepted means of statistically evaluating QB performances?

 

You're not talking facts, you're talking about your opinion based on certain statistics.  It's a hypothesis.  You moron.  But keep flailing.  I mean, do you not actually understand that there are multiple ways of evaluating what one sees on the football field regarding certain stats and how those states are reflected based on game plan, along with player/team strengths and weaknesses?

 

I mean, seriously are you this dumb?  Or do you honestly not remember everything we discussed less than 7 days ago?  If so, again I feel sorry for you.  I hope you are getting good help.

 

Otherwise, I give you on F on your pPhD

Quote:Not true!!While I can't stand him, its unfair to call him a liar regarding the journals.My 3 year old has a Frozen journal she writes in, I'm betting his are right along the same lines.

 

I just bought my 6 year old daughter a journal I think Baconator would enjoy.  It's got a lock on it and everything, that way he can keep his thoughts "private".

Quote:Again, we're splitting hairs.  

 

To me, BB5 is the definition of 3rd tier.  With just a little more help (coaching, defense, O-line) we'd have a winning record.  And I'm not even saying he needs ALOT of help.  Just a little bit.  A FG here against the clots.  A punt return that doesn't go back to the house against the Bucs, an offensive Pass Interference call to negate Hopkin's TD against the tinhorns, not miffing a punt against the Jets, and we're 5-2.

 

I don't think you're giving  BB5 enough credit...  Yes, he makes mistakes.  Probably 2 or 3 per game.  But he keeps us in games, and has us in positions to win in EVERY SINGLE GAME.  If he would have had just the slightest bit of help from the defense and special teams, we'd be 5-2.  No doubt in my mind.

 

 

To be in that third tie i feel there are a few minimums a qb must meet. One of those minimums is a 60 percent completion ratio. There are many qbs in thr fourth and fifth tiers that complete at least 60 percent so that by itself doesn't get one in, but I'd say it's a minimum requirement. I feel if Borltes gets his completion percentage up there, the rest of his stats will fall into place putting him squarely where you claim him to be. He's simply got to get there.

Here's the deal....


Teddy Bridgewater - 21 career games and 20 TDs


Blake Bortles- 23 career games and 30 TDs


Derek Carr- 24 career games and 40 TDs



Teddy's defense gives up 17.4 ppg.

Bortles defense gives up 29.4 ppg.


Honestly, in 3 years Teddy will be a backup like RG3 and Blake will be a top 5 QB for years.


Baconator is an idiot and my mother who's 72 knows more about football than him.

Teddy will get the all he does is win tag soon. Joining the qb legends Vince Young and Tim Tebow.

Quote:To be in that third tie i feel there are a few minimums a qb must meet. One of those minimums is a 60 percent completion ratio. There are many qbs in thr fourth and fifth tiers that complete at least 60 percent so that by itself doesn't get one in, but I'd say it's a minimum requirement. I feel if Borltes gets his completion percentage up there, the rest of his stats will fall into place putting him squarely where you claim him to be. He's simply got to get there.

 

I think there's something to be said about 60% completion rate.  However, I think some people are a bit enamoured by a false stat.  It's easy to get 60% when you play a west coast offense and have a line that can give you a decent amount of protection.

 

I think BB5 is handicapped by alot of things that make it damn near impossible to get to 60%.  Our O-Line doesn't give BB5 enough time look down field when we are behind schedule in terms of down and distance.  Given this teams current make up on the o-line I'm not sure any QB except those in the 1st Tier could be successull in terms of being at 60% completion rate.

 

I give BB5 a pass in terms of the completion rate.  To me, the number of TDs and the success we have in terms of moving the ball and getting score when we need them tells me that BB5 is easily a 3rd Tier QB.  I mean, if you think he's in Tier 4, you feel he's right about average in terms of QB's, right?

 

Name me some QBs who think fall into that 4th tier?  I think BB5, once you start pointing out tier 4 QBs will clearly jump out as far and away better than those types of QBs.

Quote:I think there's something to be said about 60% completion rate.  However, I think some people are a bit enamoured by a false stat.  It's easy to get 60% when you play a west coast offense and have a line that can give you a decent amount of protection.

 

I think BB5 is handicapped by alot of things that make it damn near impossible to get to 60%.  Our O-Line doesn't give BB5 enough time look down field when we are behind schedule in terms of down and distance.  Given this teams current make up on the o-line I'm not sure any QB except those in the 1st Tier could be successull in terms of being at 60% completion rate.

 

I give BB5 a pass in terms of the completion rate.  To me, the number of TDs and the success we have in terms of moving the ball and getting score when we need them tells me that BB5 is easily a 3rd Tier QB.  I mean, if you think he's in Tier 4, you feel he's right about average in terms of QB's, right?

 

Name me some QBs who think fall into that 4th tier?  I think BB5, once you start pointing out tier 4 QBs will clearly jump out as far and away better than those types of QBs.

Basing my judgement on 2015 only (people can say what they want, but past does not matter here)

Brady

Roethlisberger

Dalton

Rivers

Carr

Eli

Rodgers

Cam

Here's the quarterbacks that have played better than Bortles this season, while I'm not ready to 100% annoint him as legendary yet. Hard to argue without skewing stats to fit an agenda, that he is closing in on top 15. Just want to see him clean the turnovers up a bit, and throw some of the sacks away.

Quote:Basing my judgement on 2015 only (people can say what they want, but past does not matter here)

Brady

Roethlisberger

Dalton

Rivers

Carr

Eli

Rodgers

Cam

Here's the quarterbacks that have played better than Bortles this season, while I'm not ready to 100% annoint him as legendary yet. Hard to argue without skewing stats to fit an agenda, that he is closing in on top 15. Just want to see him clean the turnovers up a bit, and throw some of the sacks away.

 

Agreed.  Alot of the QBs I put ahead of BB5 that you haven't left off your list are on my list based on prior year performance.  But if you look at BB5 just in terms of his passing game for this year and do not look at prior year success or failure, how do you not have BB5 up there among the top 2 or 3 tiers of QBs.

 

He's clearly having a stand out year when you look around the league and see how average alot of the other QBs are playing.

Wow...39 pages and counting.  When are we going to start a BB TD thread?  Dude is putting up big numbers with receivers breaking NFL records and we have a 39 page thread about his interceptions...lol.  I guess when you've been as bad as we've been so long its hard for some people to find anything positive.

Quote:Wow...39 pages and counting.  When are we going to start a BB TD thread?  Dude is putting up big numbers with receivers breaking NFL records and we have a 39 page thread about his interceptions...lol.  I guess when you've been as bad as we've been so long its hard for some people to find anything positive.

As you wish!

Quote:Wow...39 pages and counting.  When are we going to start a BB TD thread?  Dude is putting up big numbers with receivers breaking NFL records and we have a 39 page thread about his interceptions...lol.  I guess when you've been as bad as we've been so long its hard for some people to find anything positive.

 

He's not elite because he still makes mistakes.  Nobody is denying that.

 

But check out the following stats, and tell me he's not an above average QB in the NFL right now:

 

13th in completions over 40 yard

2nd in completions over 20 yards

8th in Pass yards

5th in Total TDs

Quote:There were more ints dropped by defenders than by wrs. You guy must have missed all the throws that were behind or too high to catch. Or maybe missing wide open guys and forcing throws in to coverage. Or taking sacks unnecessarily because he got skittish in the pocket. This is arguably one of the worst defenses in the nfl and the jags were gifted 4 turnovers and timely flags but we're onky able to out up 22 points. How about his continued struggles in the red zone? How about the fact that he is the worst qb in the leagur on 3rd down? Mariota gets knocked for blowing up a weak defense but bortles looks like Gabbert out there against one of the worst defenses and you guys want to crown him? It's hilarious.

 

 

Quote:Actually he is NOT the worst QB in the league on third down. Where do you pull these stats? Your rear? He's better than Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles, Alex Smith, Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers, and more currently.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=098'>http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=098</a>

 

 

Quote:This is our friend baconator.

 

 

 

 

Quote:Sure, so maybe I got some bad info. Still doesn't excuse his Gabbertesque performance today, that's very unlike a top 12 QB in the league. 

 

 

Quote:Your arguments aren't backed up by anything, I at least try to cite stats and explain my reasoning. 

I find this last statement very hilarious - and this is coming from someone who is heavily involved in scientific research and knows a thing or two about the struggle of publishing in high tier journals.

 

I wish you the best of luck with your defense, because we all know that you will need every ounce - especially as a tack fan.

 

:yes:

Quote:I find this last statement very hilarious - and this is coming from someone who is heavily involved in scientific research and knows a thing or two about the struggle of publishing in high tier journals.

 

I wish you the best of luck with your defense, because we all know that you will need every ounce - especially as a tack fan.

 

:yes:

But, But Mariotta' has them just 2 games out of first.

Fun Fact:

 

If you include fumbles Markiss Mytattas has 13 TDs and 10 turnovers...  BB5 has 19 TDs and 11 turnovers.

 

Perhaps we should start calling the tack QB the following:

 

MMTO?

 

Or Marcus MerryTurnOver-iota?   

Quote:Fun Fact:

 

If you include fumbles Markiss Mytattas has 13 TDs and 10 turnovers...  BB5 has 19 TDs and 11 turnovers.

 

Perhaps we should start calling the tack QB the following:

 

MMTO?

 

Or Marcus MerryTurnOver-iota?   

 

AND HE'S DOWN FOR THE COUNT!

 

Quote:Fun Fact:


If you include fumbles Markiss Mytattas has 13 TDs and 10 turnovers... BB5 has 19 TDs and 11 turnovers.


Perhaps we should start calling the tack QB the following:


MMTO?


Or Marcus MerryTurnOver-iota?

Aren't you clever with the cute little names?

Quote:Sorry to disappoint you, but you can buy some of the journals I publish and criticize them all you want.

One of my best friends is a psychology Ph.D. Candidate and he can use the correct form of the "there's" and the "yours" unlike you.

Quote:Aren't you clever with the cute little names?

 

I do what I do...

 

Crikey not a great endorsement for higher education in the US. Writes his conclusion before doing his research...

He (Blake Bortles) is currently ranked 8th in the NFL in yards, 55.3% 2,381 yards, 19TD, 11 INT, 81 Rating!