Quote:Bortles has 20+ starts now.
the difference isn't 6 and 8, it's 20 plus and 6.
but carry on.
you can not say subject B will progress because subject A did.
different offenses, different coaches, different mental and physical makeups, different different.
But bortles was the worst qb in the league in his first season. How of all things, is his pitiful rookie year indicative of being a legit franchise qb? I thought everyone was basing their evaluation off this year and writing off his rookie year.
Quote:But bortles was the worst qb in the league in his first season. How of all things, is his pitiful rookie year indicative of being a legit franchise qb? I thought everyone was basing their evaluation off this year and writing off his rookie year.
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I don't know who everyone is... but I base what I think on a body of work.
One can not and should not extrapolate Eminem's stats to go from one season to the next.
Just like we couldn't have or shouldn't have done so with Bortles AWFUL rookie season.
But the progress within Bortles' game, is very clear and after 20+ starts you could say in the least we have a very good QB for a good while.
To say that after 6 start Eminem is better or as good as Bortles now is silly.
And to project that either will be better than the other in 5 years is guessing at best.
But RIGHT NOW Bortles>Schemeneminem
Quote:I've never said Bridgewater was great. I've never liked him.
Bortles is now one of like 12 QBs to fit at least 3 your bars for an "average QB".
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I don't know who everyone is... but I base what I think on a body of work.
One can not and should not extrapolate Eminem's stats to go from one season to the next.
Just like we couldn't have or shouldn't have done so with Bortles AWFUL rookie season.
But the progress within Bortles' game, is very clear and after 20+ starts you could say in the least we have a very good QB for a good while.
To say that after 6 start Eminem is better or as good as Bortles now is silly.
And to project that either will be better than the other in 5 years is guessing at best.
But RIGHT NOW Bortles>Schemeneminem
I think what you mean to say is that we have a more accurate determination on his ceiling and what type of QB Bortles is, that much I'd agree with. So I guess my question becomes, looking at the body of work in his 20+ games 28 TDs 27 INTs 11 fumbles 57% completion rate on 6.5 YPA, how is that indicative of him being a legit franchise QB?
Quote:I think what you mean to say is that we have a more accurate determination on his ceiling and what type of QB Bortles is, that much I'd agree with. So I guess my question becomes, looking at the body of work in his 20+ games 28 TDs 27 INTs 11 fumbles 57% completion rate on 6.5 YPA, how is that indicative of him being a legit franchise QB?
You're still ONLY looking at stats...
what IS indicative of him being a legit franchise QB is improvement from year 1 to 2 by leaps and bounds.
how he handles himself on and off the field.
how his teammates respond to him.
I'm not saying MM won't be isn't or couldn't be a franchise QB.
I'm not even saying Bortles is the next coming of Brady, Manning, Marino or Elway.......
But in 20 plus starts he's show me that he can evolve, from a mistake riddled QB who looked like a rookie who came out too early to a savvy year 2 guy while still making mistakes is making fewer of them and combating it by making game changing plays.
if MM shows such growth from year 1 to 2 I'll gladly toot his horn too.
Quote:You're still ONLY looking at stats...
what IS indicative of him being a legit franchise QB is improvement from year 1 to 2 by leaps and bounds.
how he handles himself on and off the field.
how his teammates respond to him.
I'm not saying MM won't be isn't or couldn't be a franchise QB.
I'm not even saying Bortles is the next coming of Brady, Manning, Marino or Elway.......
But in 20 plus starts he's show me that he can evolve, from a mistake riddled QB who looked like a rookie who came out too early to a savvy year 2 guy while still making mistakes is making fewer of them and combating it by making game changing plays.
if MM shows such growth from year 1 to 2 I'll gladly toot his horn too.
So he's a franchise QB because he isn't the worst QB in the league anymore? He is still one of the most inaccurate and inefficient QBs as of right now. He's improvement is akin going from a D to a C. Looking beyond the stats, does the fact that he's never won on the road concern you? How about the fact that he still commits back breaking turnovers that cause the team to lose the game? I'm trying really hard to understand your position, but I just don't know how you can look at his body of work and declare that he is a bonafide franchise QB.
So he's a franchise QB because 'his players believe in him,' but the players have 'believed' in guys like VY, Tebow, hell there was even fuss when Mariota was drafted because the WRs all thought Mettenbeger was 'their leader'. So I don't know how much weight you can really give something like that. I also don't know why you equate being efficient with being a check down artist. Tom Brady, otherwise known as arguably the greatest QB of all time, relies on short efficient passes, and has done so for his entire career. Does Rex Grossman come to mind? He threw a great deep ball, and NEVER checked down. As a result, he was extremely inefficient and turnover prone. I know which archtype of QB I'd rather have on my team. Desipite all his improvement, he is 5th in INTs, 29th in completion %, 23rd in YPA, and 23rd in overall QB rating, how is franchise QB worthy? A lot of young QBs are asked to carry the team, as already argued for, Mariota is doing more for his team with less around him.
Quote:So he's a franchise QB because he isn't the worst QB in the league anymore? He is still one of the most inaccurate and inefficient QBs as of right now. He's improvement is akin going from a D to a C. Looking beyond the stats, does the fact that he's never won on the road concern you? How about the fact that he still commits back breaking turnovers that cause the team to lose the game? I'm trying really hard to understand your position, but I just don't know how you can look at his body of work and declare that he is a bonafide franchise QB.
Inefficient? Are you really this idiotic?
Quote:Inefficient? Are you really this idiotic?
Are you? In what world is completing 56% of your passes (again, 29th in the NFL) at only 7.1 YPA (23rd) efficient?
Quote:So why is an 8 game sample in his 2nd year enough to call Bortles legit, but a 6 game sample in Mariota's rookie year isn't enough? Given the improvement Bortles has shown in his 2nd year, and the improvement all players have generally, it stands to reason that Mariota will get even better. If you guys are wiling to crown Bortles as a legit franchise QB, then Mariota is as well.
I haven't crowned anyone anything. However, you're the favorite for troll of the year. During the off season, coaches spend time breaking down game film of players. How many games did Marcus play for the Titans last year? So how much NFL film was there for coaches to scout? This is why I mention small sample size. They have had a year and a half of film on Bortles, 6 games and no off season for Marcus.Learn anything?
As I've said plenty of times in this thread, I like Marcus. What I don't like is listening to you whine and complain because God forbid someone says anything regarding negative stats about your crush. Sit back, have a chocolate milk ( no way in hell you're over 15), and let things play themselves out. Goodbye Baconator, our relationship ends here.
Take away the 5-2 record from Bridgewater through 10 games 6 TDs is pretty trash. I've never been a fan of his he does absolutely nothing for that team. Joe Schmoe at walmart can do the same thing he's doing
Quote:Bortles is very efficient at putting up yards and TDs. Granted he needs to get that completion percentage up to around 65 percent to really stand out in the stats, although that's not so easy to do when you're typically throwing so deep. The thing is, if he can improve on his accuracy a bit, and we have seen streaks where he's been near 100 percent, then his INT number drop a bit and his YPA goes way up. At 65 percent, Bortles' YPA might be in the double digits.
He actually isn't even that efficient at putting up TDs. His TD:INT ratio is only 21st in the league.
Quote:Take away the 5-2 record from Bridgewater through 10 games 6 TDs is pretty trash. I've never been a fan of his he does absolutely nothing for that team. Joe Schmoe at walmart can do the same thing he's doing
Including rushing stats he has 8 touchdowns, and 8 turnovers. Yet ESPN just posted an article about how Carr (obviously) and Teddy have been the guys to flourish from the 2014 class, while guys like Manziel and Bortles have floundered?
Quote:Including rushing stats he has 8 touchdowns, and 8 turnovers. Yet ESPN just posted an article about how Carr (obviously) and Teddy have been the guys to flourish from the 2014 class, while guys like Manziel and Bortles have floundered?
ESPN will ESPN.
Don't give them any attention when it comes to reliable facts/opinions.
Something tells me that Baconator may have been a statistics major....
A statistics major was completely hung over the day of his final exam. It was a true/false test, so he decided to flip a coin for the answers. The statistics professor watched the student the entire two hours as he was flipping the coin … writing the answer … flipping the coin … writing the answer. At the end of the two hours, everyone else had left the final except for the one student. The professor walks up to his desk and interrupts the student, saying, “Listen, I have seen that you did not study for this statistics test, you didn’t even open the exam. If you are just flipping a coin for your answer, what is taking you so long?” The student replies bitterly (as he is still flipping the coin), “Shhh! I am checking my answers!”
This joke may have been written about him.