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Turn over ratio for the tacks is -6

 

Turn over ratio for the Jaguars is -7

 

Jaguars give up 7 more points per game than the tacks...  But yeah, it's totally all the turnovers that has our defense so sucky...  But for the tacks all those turnovers don't matter.

 

tacks 23 points per game.

Jaguars 30 points per game.

 

You realize how stupid some of you sound, right?

Our defense is sucky because our defensive line gets slim to none on the pressure....

 

it is THE reason mediocre QBs have all day to throw and the reason that eventually WRs get open.

our LBs lack solid soverage skills so when we do get pressure a quick throw to a TE or slot receiver or RB out of the backfield leaves us watching a crappy team convert a 3rd and 12 our D just earned on the backs of solid run defense and blitzing.

 

Our D doesn't suck because we can't cover, it doesn't suck because our offense does... though, inept offense does put a strain on the D....

 

In some games our D has played rather well, in those games the offense seems to shut itself down.

In games where our offense seems on fire, our D seems to be made of paper mache. 

In the closest of games an INT or FG has been our downfall.

 

The only game where our D didn't show up at all, was the Bucs.

And I guess the Pats... but what were we gonna do to them anyway.

Quote:Wonderlic Score

 

Bortles- 28

Peyton- 28

 

 

His IMPROVEMENT this year and all 3 years in college prove he's intelligent. His interviews, leadership with teammates, and clutch 2 minute drives also prove he's intelligent. I don't see Carr, Teddy, or Jameis using the 2 minute warning any better than Bortles. It also proves you have no concept of what a great young QB looks like.

wonderlic has Nothing to do with smarts. Some QBS who didn't do so well in the wonderlic ended up being great QBs. What's your next argument for me to dismantle?

Quote:1. Are you saying Michael Jordan isn't intelligent?

 

2. I know George personally. He lives in Merritt Island and goes to First Baptist Church. He's pretty intelligent. Brighter than you.

you mean George the Animal Steele was only a fictional character!!!!???????

Quote:wonderlic has Nothing to do with smarts. Some QBS who didn't do so well in the wonderlic ended up being great QBs. What's your next argument for me to dismantle?

 

Blaine Gabbert got a 42. Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 48.

Quote:Blaine Gabbert got a 42. Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 48.

wonderlic has Nothing to do with smarts. Some people are just poor at tests


Besides, you just proved my point. ...

You know, if you are top 10 in TDs and top 10 in pass yards, doesn't that imply that you might just be a fairly smart QB?

 

Just saying, it's pretty hard to be top 10 in the NFL if you aren't very smart...

 

You know what may account for some of the INTs and low completion rate?  Pressing to hard and forcing the issue because the entire offense is relying on you to score and keep pace with the opponents who are devouring our D...

 

Just saying.  Maybe some people need to think a little bit harder...

One does not necessitate the other re smarts and football ability

Quote:you mean George the Animal Steele was only a fictional character!!!!???????

So nothing on Jordan's toungue?

Quote:One does not necessitate the other re smarts and football ability

WTH??

I'm talking about "football smarts", anyway


Blake has 0 football smarts from where I sit

 

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Quote:You know, if you are top 10 in TDs and top 10 in pass yards, doesn't that imply that you might just be a fairly smart QB?

 

Just saying, it's pretty hard to be top 10 in the NFL if you aren't very smart...

 

You know what may account for some of the INTs and low completion rate?  Pressing to hard and forcing the issue because the entire offense is relying on you to score and keep pace with the opponents who are devouring our D...

 

Just saying.  Maybe some people need to think a little bit harder...

Quote:So nothing on Jordan's toungue?

you would have a point if Jordan wasn't smart as a whip as a basketball player. Let me break it down more - it's the whole package with Blake. The "tongue" is just a part of it



/are you done talking about men's tongues?

What is going on in this thread?

Quote:You're defending a defense that can't stop ANYONE when the game is on the line. A defense that NEVER causes turnovers? The name of the game is POINTS FOR vs. POINTS AGAINST. The Patriots are consistently in the top 3 in this category and the Jags are constantly in the bottom 3. The reason? Our defense.

Lol. Okay man.

Did u not read my post about the defense not being very good? Reading comprehension,, but oh well.


-Defense never stops anyone when game is on the line? Uh,, you didn't watch the Jets game in the 4th, huh? The Jags offense/special teams turned the ball over 3 times in the last 5 minutes.


-Defense Never scores? Uh,,, you didn't watch the Bills game, huh? The Defense SCORED 2 TDs off turnovers,, and basically scored another TD with a turnover that gave the offense pretty much a "gimme" TD by getting the ball very deep in Bills territory. That's 21 points by the defense. (BTW: the offense gave up a TD by a pick 6 return that game,,, but let's go ahead and blame the defense for that one too.)


- The Defense held Carolina to 13 points (it went to 20 points because of an offense pick 6 return,, but we'll go ahead and blame the defense).


- The Defense held the Colts to 13 points (granted,, the colts only TD drive was afforded by terrible defensive penalties). But,, 13 points man,, 13. The offense couldn't do much of anything that day.


-The Defense played a great 2nd half against Miami,, especially late in the game. Oh guess what,, the offense didn't turn the ball over for pick 6's,, and guess what, they won the game.



Look,,, I think Bortles is good. And I think he's going to be VERY good and be around here for a long time.


But,, he still has alot of improvement to do. The team is losing because of mistakes from ALL 4 PHASES OF THE TEAM (Defense /Offense/Special Teams/Coaching). That INCLUDES Bortles making bad mistakes,, because yes,, he does still make bad mistakes.


Let me ask you something:

You keep spouting given up PPG is getting worse (it's true). But,, don't you think one big reason it's getting worse is because Bortles has given up many pick 6's, Fumbles have been returned for TDs, and other turnovers have given opponents VERY short fields??


4 games this year,, the offense has given up a TD. Nothing to do with the Defense there guy.

Quote:you would have a point if Jordan wasn't smart as a whip as a basketball player. Let me break it down more - it's the whole package with Blake. The "tongue" is just a part of it



/are you done talking about men's tongues?

 

You really don't want to actually talk about football do you?  I've provided a pretty good reason why it's obvious that BB5 is actually a pretty smart QB.  Yes, he's got some more work to do.  

 

But you act as though he's playing at the same level of a Colin Keapernick, or Ryan Leaf...  This dude is making enough good decisions to be a top 10 QB in terms of Yards and TDs.

 

He's doing some things right.  Believe it or not.

 

You're narrative is highly flawed and actually quite un-intelligent.

Yes he has some things right, but his turnovers at the most critical times is highly alarming.


No one said that he's playing like Kaepernick. That's a strawman.


Guys usually don't just stop doing that. Something just isn't wired right with him. Trust what you're seeing.

Quote:Yes he has some things right, but his turnovers at the most critical times is highly alarming.


No one said that he's playing like Kaepernick. That's a strawman.


Guys usually don't just stop doing that. Something just isn't wired right with him. Trust what you're seeing.

 

Naw, I think we give him another year or so before we throw in the towel on the guy.

 

I think any normal fan or even a normal critic of the jaguars can see that the INTs and completion percentage need improvement.  But there's no way that at this point, with the amount of improvement we've seen from BB5 that I'm gonna sit here and ignore all the positives.

 

To me, the positives out weigh the negative, and it's not even close.

 

For a QB in his 2nd year, to be in the top 10 for yards and for TDs means that he's well ahead of schedule.  If you were to tell me that after 9 games in his 2nd season BB5 would be 9th in yards and 9th in TDS (which he is) I'd be pretty happy about that.  

 

You know he's also 7th in terms of total attempts.  Which means he's asked to do alot.

 

Now, if he's still having issues with INTs come this time next year, then I might start to be concerned.  But as of right now?  I think you are being to critical.

 

Now if he only had like 10 TD with 10 INTs and he was 23rd in passing yards and had a sub 60% completion rate, I'd be calling for his head too.

 

But that's not the case, is it?  

 

He's 9th in passing yards

He's 9th in TDs

 

That's pretty darn good.

Appreciate your civil discussion, Anchorman

Quote:Naw, I think we give him another year or so before we throw in the towel on the guy.

 

I think any normal fan or even a normal critic of the jaguars can see that the INTs and completion percentage need improvement.  But there's no way that at this point, with the amount of improvement we've seen from BB5 that I'm gonna sit here and ignore all the positives.

 

To me, the positives out weigh the negative, and it's not even close.

 

For a QB in his 2nd year, to be in the top 10 for yards and for TDs means that he's well ahead of schedule.  If you were to tell me that after 9 games in his 2nd season BB5 would be 9th in yards and 9th in TDS (which he is) I'd be pretty happy about that.  

 

You know he's also 7th in terms of total attempts.  Which means he's asked to do alot.

 

Now, if he's still having issues with INTs come this time next year, then I might start to be concerned.  But as of right now?  I think you are being to critical.

 

Now if he only had like 10 TD with 10 INTs and he was 23rd in passing yards and had a sub 60% completion rate, I'd be calling for his head too.

 

But that's not the case, is it?  

 

He's 9th in passing yards

He's 9th in TDs

 

That's pretty darn good.

 

You don't see how being 7th in attempts is inflating the TD numbers and yardage? He is also 5th in the league for INTs, 23rd in YPA, and 29th in accuracy. Why is volume more important than efficiency?