Quote:I read a stat today. Something like Mariota is the second rookie QB with two games of 4 TD's passes. The other is RGIII. It made me chuckle.
lol nice...I think we need to let these guys play another year or so before trying to make any kind of comparisons.
My teams is the Jags and right now I'm OK with what I see from BB. He's got potential and I don't think he's hit his ceiling.
If he can be coached up to read defenses better and continues to work on mechanics and execution then I think we have a franchise QB. That's nothing to complain about.
Quote:Uh.. Yeah...
I have NFL Ticket and a DVR. I don't care to watch the tack D... Just watch Marriottatas on his drives. It really wasn't that hard...
The last drive to win the game, they got a 20 yard run from their RB. Then they got a 15 yard gain from a check down that traveled 5 yards in the air. The final TD pass was a gimme by a weak D that had a blown coverage.
He's an inferior QB that has been carried for the most part by his RBs and recievers. And the tack D is better than ours. Oh and they are well coached when comapred to the [BLEEP] that is the Jaguar Head Coach...
I mean, I'm not saying anything that's controversial. The only things that the Jaguars have better than the tack is our WRs and our QB. And their WRs do alot to bail out Murchas Murhriattates...
Maybe we should go after Mularkey in the offseason
Of all the peanuts in this smelly turd we call a team, you guys want to call BB5 out? Seriously?
Quote:In my opinion Bortles is analogous to a volume-shooter in the NBA. He might put up the raw stats, but the efficiency is so poor that he's a net negative more often than not.
He would be shooting 63%.
Quote:He would be shooting 63%.
So he is Russell Westbrook? Can we live with that?
Quote:So he is Russell Westbrook? Can we live with that?
Yeah, and his line consists of Greg Oden, Hasheem Thabeet, Adam Morrison, and Kwame Brown.
Too bad our best lineman, Linder, is injured.
Quote:Of course. But im not the one proclaiming he is unlike the majority of people in this thread.
They are playing at a similar clip.
BB5 is playing light years ahead of Manchuriatas. And it's not even close. If you actually watch the football instead of just pulilng raw number's you'd know that.
The good news for the tacks is that he's still a rookie and may actually develop. But to say that are playing at similar clip is to ignore the actual games they play. The tacks do alot to cover the inadequacies of Mehricotta...
On the flip side, the Jaguars, because of terrible coaching are basically putting the entire weight of every game on BB5's shoulders. Huge difference in terms of how each QB approaches each game and what they are asked to do.
I mean, do you even football? You don't realize these simple facts? Seriously?
Quote:Bortles over a 16 game season
~ 34 TDs 20 INTs 4,387 yards, 6.5 YPA 56% completion rate
Mariota over a 16 game seaon
~ 35 TDs 13 INTs 4,293 yards, 8 YPA 65% completion rate
Sorry guys, you were right. Bortles is hands down the best QB in the AFC South. :whistling:
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Not at all. You have argued as if Mariota is significantly better and he had two big games against the worst passing defenses in the league. Of course, if I was a booby fan, I would be happy about his performance regardless just as you are, but I'll let things play out before declaring who is great and who is average.
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Not at all. You have argued as if Mariota is significantly better and he had two big games against the worst passing defenses in the league. Of course, if I was a booby fan, I would be happy about his performance regardless just as you are, but I'll let things play out before declaring who is great and who is average.
OK, you can let it play out...
I'll just point out facts from watching them both play...
BB5 is the better QB. He's asked to do more and get's more done behind a weaker O-Line and a terrible HC with prevent defensive philosophy.
Merryohduh has play makers all around him that make him look alot better than he actually his. The YAC that his recievers get is outstanding. On top of that, he has a running game that take alot of pressure off him.
BB5 is asked to do alot more within the Jaguars game plan that MM is asked to do by the tacks.
anyone saying mar iota has tons of playmakers around him just doesn't watch football.
we can say the same about allen hurns and robinson. blake has some real good weapons too.
mariota has nobody running the ball either, but apparently the RBs and the WRs are making him look amazing.
Quote:anyone saying mar iota has tons of playmakers around him just doesn't watch football.
we can say the same about allen hurns and robinson. blake has some real good weapons too.
mariota has nobody running the ball either, but apparently the RBs and the WRs are making him look amazing.
Uh yeah... Have you seen the YAC his recievers get? You see the explosion his RBs get on his scoring drives?
Also, most of the successfull pass plays frankensence&Myrhhiottas are 1st read throws. He's not asked to go through progressions unless he scrambles. I'm just calling it like I'm seeing it. Yeah, he's doing well, but it's not because he's a top tier QB. It's because most teams are only now getting their first look at him.
Again, BB5 is asked to do ALOT for the Jaguars than what MM is asked to do. He's being asked to be a game manager. BB5 is asked to take the team on his shoulders. That's a huge difference... Just saying...
Quote:Uh yeah... Have you seen the YAC his recievers get? You see the explosion his RBs get on his scoring drives?
Also, most of the successfull pass plays frankensence&Myrhhiottas are 1st read throws. He's not asked to go through progressions unless he scrambles. I'm just calling it like I'm seeing it. Yeah, he's doing well, but it's not because he's a top tier QB. It's because most teams are only now getting their first look at him.
Again, BB5 is asked to do ALOT for the Jaguars than what MM is asked to do. He's being asked to be a game manager. BB5 is asked to take the team on his shoulders. That's a huge difference... Just saying...
part of the reason his guys are getting YAC is because he is accurate when he throws. players are able to catch in stride and just go.
having one good game can be because of your supporting cast, but when you are stringing together more than a few 4 TD 0 pick games, it can't just be because of the supporting cast.
someone else could easily make the argument that "all blake does is throw it up there and let robinson bail him out" and it could be just as valid as what you're saying about mariota.
Quote:OK, you can let it play out...
I'll just point out facts from watching them both play...
BB5 is the better QB. He's asked to do more and get's more done behind a weaker O-Line and a terrible HC with prevent defensive philosophy.
Merryohduh has play makers all around him that make him look alot better than he actually his. The YAC that his recievers get is outstanding. On top of that, he has a running game that take alot of pressure off him.
BB5 is asked to do alot more within the Jaguars game plan that MM is asked to do by the tacks.
I agree. Bortles is asked to make the harder passes. I think Greg Olson is letting us down a bit (though he has also helped in Bortles development) by making it seem like every pass play requires crazy catches or precise precision. It would be nice to have a RB screen play every now and then.
Let me get this straight. Blake throws for almost 400 yards and an Elite corner is on the other side. And hes BBint? And the trolls go marching one by one....
Quote:part of the reason his guys are getting YAC is because he is accurate when he throws. players are able to catch in stride and just go.
having one good game can be because of your supporting cast, but when you are stringing together more than a few 4 TD 0 pick games, it can't just be because of the supporting cast.
someone else could easily make the argument that "all blake does is throw it up there and let robinson bail him out" and it could be just as valid as what you're saying about mariota.
LOL, you're just making stuff up now, aren't you? But that's OK... Also, he's not stringing together 4TD and 0 pick games! The previous 3 games he had 3 TD's and 5 INTs!!! LOL, but whatever. Keep buying the false narrative that Muriocheetos is an awesome QB... Him and Luck are amazing right?
Again, BB5 is asked to do a whole lot more than MM does. It's just a fact. You cannot deny that. Let's see what happens when they put more on his plate, like what happened with Vince Young, RGIII, and Keapernick...
Anyways, BB5 looks like a legit pocket QB. MM looks like a flash in the pan.
Quote:Uh yeah... Have you seen the YAC his recievers get? You see the explosion his RBs get on his scoring drives?
Also, most of the successfull pass plays frankensence&Myrhhiottas are 1st read throws. He's not asked to go through progressions unless he scrambles. I'm just calling it like I'm seeing it. Yeah, he's doing well, but it's not because he's a top tier QB. It's because most teams are only now getting their first look at him.
Again, BB5 is asked to do ALOT for the Jaguars than what MM is asked to do. He's being asked to be a game manager. BB5 is asked to take the team on his shoulders. That's a huge difference... Just saying...
YAC: Actually Hurns has 1.5x the YAC of Tenessee's top option.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player...AfterCatch
RB: Well actually Tennessee doesn't have a more dependable running game. They average only 5 more yards a game on 1 more attempt. Same YPC.
WR: Thats a flat out distortion of facts. We have 2 top-15 recievers by yards; TEN's top option has been delanie walker NOT a WR. Delanie has 1/2 the TD's of both hurns and robinson.In terms of explosion, AROB is #1 in 20+ plays, Hurns is #6. Tennessee does not have anyone in the top 50.
Give mariotta credit where its due. He's making things happen with an inferior supporting cast. He is producing at a similar rate as Bortles with inferior recieving options, a similar running game and a better line.
Quote:YAC: Actually Hurns has 1.5x the YAC of Tenessee's top option. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player...AfterCatch
RB: Well actually Tennessee doesn't have a more dependable running game. They average only 5 more yards a game on 1 more attempt. Same YPC.
WR: Thats a flat out distortion of facts. We have 2 top-15 recievers by yards; TEN's top option has been delanie walker NOT a WR. Delanie has 1/2 the TD's of both hurns and robinson.In terms of explosion, AROB is #1 in 20+ plays, Hurns is #6. Tennessee does not have anyone in the top 50.
Give mariotta credit where its due. He's making things happen with an inferior supporting cast. He is producing at a similar rate as Bortles with inferior recieving options, a similar running game and a better line.
I am giving him his due. But don't tell me that he's producing at the same clip as BB5. BB5 is asked to do more, it's just a fact. If you can't see it, then sorry, bro... But I'm watching MM play as well. He's getting bailed out a ton. BB5 is doing it all on his own.
The 2 QBs are exact opposites right now. BB5 has to push the ball down field. Marriotta is checking down on most of his throws... If you can't acknowledge that then your are being dishonest and there's no reason to discuss anything with you.
Quote:YAC: Actually Hurns has 1.5x the YAC of Tenessee's top option. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player...AfterCatch
RB: Well actually Tennessee doesn't have a more dependable running game. They average only 5 more yards a game on 1 more attempt. Same YPC.
WR: Thats a flat out distortion of facts. We have 2 top-15 recievers by yards; TEN's top option has been delanie walker NOT a WR. Delanie has 1/2 the TD's of both hurns and robinson.In terms of explosion, AROB is #1 in 20+ plays, Hurns is #6. Tennessee does not have anyone in the top 50.
Give mariotta credit where its due. He's making things happen with an inferior supporting cast. He is producing at a similar rate as Bortles with inferior recieving options, a similar running game and a better line.
Look at his stats outside of the Bucs and Saints. 5 TD's, 5 INT's and QB rating significantly down. Doesn't mean you can't be happy with his production, but put it in perspective.
Quote:I am giving him his due. But don't tell me that he's producing at the same clip as BB5. BB5 is asked to do more, it's just a fact. If you can't see it, then sorry, bro... But I'm watching MM play as well. He's getting bailed out a ton. BB5 is doing it all on his own.
The 2 QBs are exact opposites right now. BB5 has to push the ball down field. Marriotta is checking down on most of his throws... If you can't acknowledge that then your are being dishonest and there's no reason to discuss anything with you.
I am telling you he is producing at the same rate as BB. YPG is identical. TD/game is identical. There's no argument to that.
Explain bailed out. Dude, we have Hurns, Robinson, and Julius Thomas. If anyone is getting bailed out its BB. I just gave you the YAC stats.
Sure, maybe BB is pushing the ball downfield more but MM is just as effective as him by checking down. Turns out, they are scoring at the same rate, and MM is committing less turnovers.
Quote:I am giving him his due. But don't tell me that he's producing at the same clip as BB5. BB5 is asked to do more, it's just a fact. If you can't see it, then sorry, bro... But I'm watching MM play as well. He's getting bailed out a ton. BB5 is doing it all on his own.
The 2 QBs are exact opposites right now. BB5 has to push the ball down field. Marriotta is checking down on most of his throws... If you can't acknowledge that then your are being dishonest and there's no reason to discuss anything with you.
Agreed overall. Mariota isn't Vince Young and has done enough to give booby fans hope, but he doesn't have as much on his plate as Bortles.