Quote:Look at his stats outside of the Bucs and Saints. 5 TD's, 5 INT's and QB rating significantly down. Doesn't mean you can't be happy with his production, but put it in perspective.
Ignore a third of bortles production and his best games and his stats look pedestrian too. It's not exactly like bortles has been beating good defenses. Mariota was also severely injured in one of those other games. Why not through that game out too?
Quote:Look at his stats outside of the Bucs and Saints. 5 TD's, 5 INT's and QB rating significantly down. Doesn't mean you can't be happy with his production, but put it in perspective.
You cant cherry pick stats like that. If you take away bortles two best games, he's 11/9 in six games. Not exactly lighting it up either.
Quote:Look at his stats outside of the Bucs and Saints. 5 TD's, 5 INT's and QB rating significantly down. Doesn't mean you can't be happy with his production, but put it in perspective.
Bingo... On top of that, BB5 is asked to throw the ball about 10 more times per game. Again, he's being asked to do more than MM. It's just the fact. I mean, if you want to say MM has flashed potential, fine. I can concede that.
But don't come here and tell me he's on the same clip as BB5. It's just not the fact. Marietotes is a game manager... He checks down more than he pushes the ball down the field. And based on thier D and their coaching that's what they are asking him to do. Nothing wrong with that.
But BB5 is carrying the entire team on his back. Our running game puts us in 3rd and intermediate or long alot. He's gotta go down the field. And he's doing a great job of it. Let's see what happens when people start realizing that MM is captain check down... Maybe he'll over-come it. But we just don't know about him yet.
On the other hand, I think you are beginning to see how much of a threat BB5 is going to be for a very long time.
Quote:I am telling you he is producing at the same rate as BB. YPG is identical. TD/game is identical. There's no argument to that.
Explain bailed out. Dude, we have Hurns, Robinson, and Julius Thomas. If anyone is getting bailed out its BB. I just gave you the YAC stats.
Sure, maybe BB is pushing the ball downfield more but MM is just as effective as him by checking down. Turns out, they are scoring at the same rate, and MM is committing less turnovers.
His point is he can't sustain success checking down. It will catch up to him unless he improves in other areas. Not sure why you brought up Julius Thomas though. Delanie Walker at this point in time is a better TE.
A simple eye test will tell you these 2 QBs are in completely different leagues.
Quote:I am telling you he is producing at the same rate as BB. YPG is identical. TD/game is identical. There's no argument to that.
Explain bailed out. Dude, we have Hurns, Robinson, and Julius Thomas. If anyone is getting bailed out its BB. I just gave you the YAC stats.
Sure, maybe BB is pushing the ball downfield more but MM is just as effective as him by checking down. Turns out, they are scoring at the same rate, and MM is committing less turnovers.
including fumbles lost, MM has 9 turnovers... BB5 has 11... And Marriachi has played in 2 fewer games... Again, dude, you're just not seeing it. Which is fine. But BB5 is way ahead of MM...
Quote:His point is he can't sustain success checking down. It will catch up to him unless he improves in other areas. Not sure why you brought up Julius Thomas though. Delanie Walker at this point in time is a better TE.
He's not checking down. I already said that. But even if i agree with you wheres the anecdotes or stats to back up your assertion?
Additionally, I think the fact that Delanie Walker is the focal point of that offense speaks volumes about their lack of playmakers.
Quote:He's not checking down. I already said that. But even if i agree with you wheres the anecdotes or stats to back up your assertion?
Additionally, I think the fact that Delanie Walker is the focal point of that offense speaks volumes about their lack of playmakers.
Dude, the game winning driving today was all check downs to get into the red zone. The TD pass was blown coverage by a horrible saints secondary... I thought I already told you this...
Quote:Ignore a third of bortles production and his best games and his stats look pedestrian too. It's not exactly like bortles has been beating good defenses. Mariota was also severely injured in one of those other games. Why not through that game out too?
You can keep that stats and they are what they are. Just try to keep things in perspective. Blake threw 4 TD's against the Bucs and the game before Eli threw for 6 TD's against the saints. Now Mariota could do bad against those teams, but he didn't. He did well which is great and what you hope for. He also did poorly against the two best defenses he faced. Time will tell.
Quote:including fumbles lost, MM has 9 turnovers... BB5 has 11... And Marriachi has played in 2 fewer games... Again, dude, you're just not seeing it. Which is fine. But BB5 is way ahead of MM...
I dont really think thats a fair stat given sack/fumbles but even if you extrapolate that to 8 games, thats 12 turnovers to BB 11.
So
TDs: BB 17 MM 17.33
TO: BB 11 MM 12
So, basically the same production, as I already mentioned.
Quote:You can keep that stats and they are what they are. Just try to keep things in perspective. Blake threw 4 TD's against the Bucs and the game before Eli threw for 6 TD's against the saints. Now Mariota could do bad against those teams, but he didn't. He did well which is great and what you hope for. He also did poorly against the two best defenses he faced. Time will tell.
MM also threw 4TD's against the Bucs.
Blake did well against the Bucs but went 3/3 against the Texans.
there are a lot of statistical similarities, even if their games are different.
Give me Bortles any day. I don't know how anyone who watched Bortles this year can talk bad of him...
He is getting better and his ceiling is sky high, what more do you want?
Quote:He's not checking down. I already said that. But even if i agree with you wheres the anecdotes or stats to back up your assertion?
Additionally, I think the fact that Delanie Walker is the focal point of that offense speaks volumes about their lack of playmakers.
580 yards, 8 TD's, 147 QB rating and 11.7 YPA in those two games. Which of course is great, but makes up a huge portion of his stats.
Quote:I dont really think thats a fair stat given sack/fumbles but even if you extrapolate that to 8 games, thats 12 turnovers to BB 11.
So
TDs: BB 17 MM 17.33
TO: BB 11 MM 12
So, basically the same production, as I already mentioned.
Huh? I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're extrapolating? But either way, I'm not buying what you're selling.
The TO's are what the are. I don't understand why you would poo poo fumbles, they are turn-overs after all... As for TDs, they are what they are. BB5 has 7 more TDs... MM got injured, so he is missing 2 games. But it is what it is.
And as I said, BB5 is asked to throw the ball about 10 more times per game. The game is all on BB5, MM is a game manager. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but you should just accept reality. Maybe they will ask more of MM next year. But as of right now, these are 2 completely different QBs. One is a west coast, short yardage passer, the other is a legit NFL QB that pushes the ball down field.
The stats show that BB5 has more yardage and more TDs, the stats show that BB5 has more INTs and MM has more fumbles... But the stats fail to show what anyone who has watched both player play knows for a fact. BB5 is a legit QB, MM is a rookie still trying to figure things out.
Quote:Dude, the game winning driving today was all check downs to get into the red zone. The TD pass was blown coverage by a horrible saints secondary... I thought I already told you this...
And I'm saying....so? Its effective, and he's putting up stats similar to BB.
Quote:Huh? I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're extrapolating? But either way, I'm not buying what you're selling.
The TO's are what the are. I don't understand why you would poo poo fumbles, they are turn-overs after all... As for TDs, they are what they are. BB5 has 7 more TDs... MM got injured, so he is missing 2 games. But it is what it is.
And as I said, BB5 is asked to throw the ball about 10 more times per game. The game is all on BB5, MM is a game manager. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but you should just accept reality. Maybe they will ask more of MM next year. But as of right now, these are 2 completely different QBs. One is a west coast, short yardage passer, the other is a legit NFL QB that pushes the ball down field.
The stats show that BB5 has more yardage and more TDs, the stats show that BB5 has more INTs and MM has more fumbles... But the stats fail to show what anyone who has watched both player play knows for a fact. BB5 is a legit QB, MM is a rookie still trying to figure things out.
If you extrapolate MM's 6 game stats to an 8 game season like bortles is what I mean.
BB does not have more TD's on a per game basis. He's played 2 more games, hence why he has more.
Give me a QB who is effective. I dont care how he gets it done. Dink and dunk is fine by me as long as we win. MM has been just as effective as Blake in his dink and dunk style.
Quote:And I'm saying....so? Its effective, and he's putting up stats similar to BB.
LOL...
And I'm saying... NO... The stats are not as similar as you would have us believe... But whatever... i think once you see the Jags play the tacks you'll see what I'm talking about.
Quote:LOL...
And I'm saying... NO... The stats are not as similar as you would have us believe... But whatever... i think once you see the Jags play the tacks you'll see what I'm talking about.
Dude take a stats class.
Please tell me how many TD's and Turnovers each player is averaging per game.
Quote:If you extrapolate MM's 6 game stats to an 8 game season like bortles is what I mean.
BB does not have more TD's on a per game basis. He's played 2 more games, hence why he has more.
Give me a QB who is effective. I dont care how he gets it done. Dink and dunk is fine by me as long as we win. MM has been just as effective as Blake in his dink and dunk style.
Opponents matter and he threw 4 TD's against a defense that just had 6 TD's thrown on them the week before (6!). Anyways, they will get to play soon enough so lets see it on the field.
Quote:If you extrapolate MM's 6 game stats to an 8 game season like bortles is what I mean.
BB does not have more TD's on a per game basis. He's played 2 more games, hence why he has more.
Give me a QB who is effective. I dont care how he gets it done. Dink and dunk is fine by me as long as we win. MM has been just as effective as Blake in his dink and dunk style.
OK, gotcha...
Look I hear ya about being effective. What I'm saying is that the dink and dunk check down type QB play eventually get's sniffed out---Unless your name is tom brady...
MM is appears like he'll have an OK career at this point. The concern should be what happens when teams begin jumping his check downs... I guess we'll find out over time. But again, those stats, in my humble opinion don't prove that the 2 QBs are similar in their effectiveness.
These 2 QBs are doing it in 2 exactly opposite ways.