05-29-2020, 05:45 PM
05-29-2020, 05:45 PM
05-29-2020, 05:47 PM
(05-29-2020, 05:30 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 05:27 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
They slithered off under their racist rocks. Now almost all of them are dead.
Oh, they didn't go anywhere. They were always there, ready to come back as soon as the time was right. Only difference now is that they have an entire political spectrum ready to back them up.
I don't think the entire Democratic Party is racist. Only most.
05-29-2020, 05:47 PM
05-29-2020, 06:00 PM
(05-29-2020, 04:47 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 04:18 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I would guess around 1970 or so. It certainly is an "imaginary problem" in 2020.
Thank you for answering! Finally someone with a pair.
I guess your argument is that after the civil rights movement America essentially became a place that was "legally equal", and therefore racial injustice ceased to be a problem. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm sure we have all seen, heard, learnt, (experienced in some cases) enough about the civil rights era to agree that there were many people in America who held strongly racist attitudes, and fought against civil rights. I imagine we can all agree on this, but I've overestimated people before, so, again, let me know if I'm wrong.
So the obvious question remains: what happened to those (many) people who held racist beliefs at that time? Did they suddenly stop being racist because the argument for civil rights won? Were they suddenly convinced that they had been wrong all along? Did they stop sharing their ideas, teaching their children, treating people differently, at that moment in time?
No. I'm not going to deny that there are in fact still people that hold racist beliefs. However, I would estimate that the percentage is VERY small. I know people around my age (mid 50's) that have learned that racist ideas were wrong. Their elders (parents, relatives, etc.) might not have. I know that my great aunt used to call black people "coloreds" until the day that she died. There was no changing a 90 year old woman's mind about that.
I would guess that most people age 60 or less don't believe or look at race/color the way that they did pre-1970 or so.
As far as "racial injustice", I don't think that it's a real "problem" today. Everyone has the same opportunity to achieve (or not) whatever they want to achieve. A poor black kid growing up poor in a ghetto has the ability to become an award winning neurosurgeon. - Ben Carson
A black woman who grew up in Birmingham, Alabama when segregation was still a thing became Secretary of State. - Condoleezza Rice.
A poor black man grew up to become the CEO of a major food chain. - Herman Cain
People need to get rid of the whole "victim" deal, especially with regards to race.
Since I answered your question why not answer what I have been asking? Regarding this whole case, why did the officers take the suspect down to the ground and why were they restraining him the way that they were (as shown in the publicly released videos/pictures)? Why is that part left out of any video clips or pictures?
I would put money on it that the reason they did that wasn't because of his race or skin color. There had to be a reason.
And before anyone says that I'm justifying or condoning the actions that the officers took, I am not. I'm just questioning why they did what they did and what led up to it. That part hasn't been presented yet in the court of public opinion.
05-29-2020, 06:04 PM
Let's just go ahead and burn the whole country down over a criminal killing another criminal...makes sense?
05-29-2020, 07:10 PM
Autopsy results are in...
05-29-2020, 07:17 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:10 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Autopsy results are in...
Called it
05-29-2020, 07:24 PM
05-29-2020, 07:33 PM
(05-29-2020, 06:00 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 04:47 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for answering! Finally someone with a pair.
I guess your argument is that after the civil rights movement America essentially became a place that was "legally equal", and therefore racial injustice ceased to be a problem. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm sure we have all seen, heard, learnt, (experienced in some cases) enough about the civil rights era to agree that there were many people in America who held strongly racist attitudes, and fought against civil rights. I imagine we can all agree on this, but I've overestimated people before, so, again, let me know if I'm wrong.
So the obvious question remains: what happened to those (many) people who held racist beliefs at that time? Did they suddenly stop being racist because the argument for civil rights won? Were they suddenly convinced that they had been wrong all along? Did they stop sharing their ideas, teaching their children, treating people differently, at that moment in time?
No. I'm not going to deny that there are in fact still people that hold racist beliefs. However, I would estimate that the percentage is VERY small. I know people around my age (mid 50's) that have learned that racist ideas were wrong. Their elders (parents, relatives, etc.) might not have. I know that my great aunt used to call black people "coloreds" until the day that she died. There was no changing a 90 year old woman's mind about that.
I would guess that most people age 60 or less don't believe or look at race/color the way that they did pre-1970 or so.
As far as "racial injustice", I don't think that it's a real "problem" today. Everyone has the same opportunity to achieve (or not) whatever they want to achieve. A poor black kid growing up poor in a ghetto has the ability to become an award winning neurosurgeon. - Ben Carson
A black woman who grew up in Birmingham, Alabama when segregation was still a thing became Secretary of State. - Condoleezza Rice.
A poor black man grew up to become the CEO of a major food chain. - Herman Cain
People need to get rid of the whole "victim" deal, especially with regards to race.
Since I answered your question why not answer what I have been asking? Regarding this whole case, why did the officers take the suspect down to the ground and why were they restraining him the way that they were (as shown in the publicly released videos/pictures)? Why is that part left out of any video clips or pictures?
I would put money on it that the reason they did that wasn't because of his race or skin color. There had to be a reason.
And before anyone says that I'm justifying or condoning the actions that the officers took, I am not. I'm just questioning why they did what they did and what led up to it. That part hasn't been presented yet in the court of public opinion.
Good post, it's nice to have a bit of rational discussion.
I understand your view, and I agree with you that the people in society who hold blatant racist views are fewer than in the past (at least if you look at it on the grand scale of history). But I definitely disagree about racism not being a big factor in the US today. I don't believe that something that was so entrenched in people's lives back then just fades away to basically nothing, and I don't believe that the society we live in today is fair for all; centuries of oppression created a structured society that still leaves many people facing much greater odds of achieving "success". Of course there are examples of people who have beaten the odds, but there are so many more examples of people who could not.
I hope that your vision of an equal society is something that we could achieve in the future, but I think there are many things that should be done to help bridge the seemingly increasing gaps that have emerged. NYC's logical and clear proposals about reforming police use of force and vetting for racial bias seems like an obvious immediate example of something that could make a difference, even if only in perception at first.
As far as your questions about what may have happened in this case to end up with the man on the ground, I obviously don't know anything you don't know. It would be interesting to see, for sure. But in my mind it doesn't change a thing about what happened once he was on the floor, cuffed, with three cops kneeling on him, essentially begging for his life.
Either way, personally I am less interested in the specifics of each and every case like this. I always look at the big picture, and when you put this case in the context of so many others that we have seen over the last decade or so (and not just those that result in death), I find it impossible not to think about a bigger underlying problem that link these things. I know jj and last42 will see that as some kind of neurosis on my part, I feel similarly about their narrow use of statistics and how they ignore the views of people who actually live the experience, and the visual evidence that forms a terrifying whole, not a series of singularities.
05-29-2020, 07:37 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:33 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 06:00 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]No. I'm not going to deny that there are in fact still people that hold racist beliefs. However, I would estimate that the percentage is VERY small. I know people around my age (mid 50's) that have learned that racist ideas were wrong. Their elders (parents, relatives, etc.) might not have. I know that my great aunt used to call black people "coloreds" until the day that she died. There was no changing a 90 year old woman's mind about that.
I would guess that most people age 60 or less don't believe or look at race/color the way that they did pre-1970 or so.
As far as "racial injustice", I don't think that it's a real "problem" today. Everyone has the same opportunity to achieve (or not) whatever they want to achieve. A poor black kid growing up poor in a ghetto has the ability to become an award winning neurosurgeon. - Ben Carson
A black woman who grew up in Birmingham, Alabama when segregation was still a thing became Secretary of State. - Condoleezza Rice.
A poor black man grew up to become the CEO of a major food chain. - Herman Cain
People need to get rid of the whole "victim" deal, especially with regards to race.
Since I answered your question why not answer what I have been asking? Regarding this whole case, why did the officers take the suspect down to the ground and why were they restraining him the way that they were (as shown in the publicly released videos/pictures)? Why is that part left out of any video clips or pictures?
I would put money on it that the reason they did that wasn't because of his race or skin color. There had to be a reason.
And before anyone says that I'm justifying or condoning the actions that the officers took, I am not. I'm just questioning why they did what they did and what led up to it. That part hasn't been presented yet in the court of public opinion.
Good post, it's nice to have a bit of rational discussion.
I understand your view, and I agree with you that the people in society who hold blatant racist views are fewer than in the past (at least if you look at it on the grand scale of history). But I definitely disagree about racism not being a big factor in the US today. I don't believe that something that was so entrenched in people's lives back then just fades away to basically nothing, and I don't believe that the society we live in today is fair for all; centuries of oppression created a structured society that still leaves many people facing much greater odds of achieving "success". Of course there are examples of people who have beaten the odds, but there are so many more examples of people who could not.
I hope that your vision of an equal society is something that we could achieve in the future, but I think there are many things that should be done to help bridge the seemingly increasing gaps that have emerged. NYC's logical and clear proposals about reforming police use of force and vetting for racial bias seems like an obvious immediate example of something that could make a difference, even if only in perception at first.
As far as your questions about what may have happened in this case to end up with the man on the ground, I obviously don't know anything you don't know. It would be interesting to see, for sure. But in my mind it doesn't change a thing about what happened once he was on the floor, cuffed, with three cops kneeling on him, essentially begging for his life.
Either way, personally I am less interested in the specifics of each and every case like this. I always look at the big picture, and when you put this case in the context of so many others that we have seen over the last decade or so (and not just those that result in death), I find it impossible not to think about a bigger underlying problem that link these things. I know jj and last42 will see that as some kind of neurosis on my part, I feel similarly about their narrow use of statistics and how they ignore the views of people who actually live the experience, and the visual evidence that forms a terrifying whole, not a series of singularities.
Very well said. But to be fair, JJ keeps telling us he's black. And I believe it. So he should have some of this lived experience, but he never talks about it.
05-29-2020, 07:40 PM
05-29-2020, 07:45 PM
If these morons bumrush the WH, they will quickly learn a hard lesson.
05-29-2020, 07:48 PM
I don't think these guys know how a preliminary autopsy report works
05-29-2020, 07:56 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:40 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 07:10 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Autopsy results are in...
(05-29-2020, 07:17 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Called it
What exactly?
The autopsy says that there is "no evidence of traumatic asphyxiation".
In other words, they do not believe that his jugular veins were blocked in such a way to cause tiny bruises to appear in the lining of his eyeballs.
People who do not understand medical science and the human body may take this to mean that having a knee on the back of one's neck is a safe way to go about life, and the officer really could not have meant to kill him, but that is nonsense.
Listen to this mechanical engineer.
Multiple types of fluids are present in the human body and they have multiple unique pathways through the neck. Air goes up and down the same pathway. Blood goes up some and down others. Each of these pathways are flexible and if you're compressing the whole area, some may be open while others are closed. If at least one jugular vein is open, the evidence of traumatic asphyxiation is not likely to be there. But if both carotid arteries are partially blocked, the brain will stop receiving oxygen just the same, without leaving these signs of bruising within the eyes that the medical examiner was probably looking for.
05-29-2020, 07:58 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:48 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think these guys know how a preliminary autopsy report works
From what I can gather, it was a myriad of reasons that caused his death. They cant say definitively that the restraint was the cause of death nor can they rule it out. The empirical evidence suggests that a manslaughter conviction is on it's way.
(05-29-2020, 07:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 07:40 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]What exactly?
The autopsy says that there is "no evidence of traumatic asphyxiation".
In other words, they do not believe that his jugular veins were blocked in such a way to cause tiny bruises to appear in the lining of his eyeballs.
People who do not understand medical science and the human body may take this to mean that having a knee on the back of one's neck is a safe way to go about life, and the officer really could not have meant to kill him, but that is nonsense.
Listen to this mechanical engineer.
Multiple types of fluids are present in the human body and they have multiple unique pathways through the neck. Air goes up and down the same pathway. Blood goes up some and down others. Each of these pathways are flexible and if you're compressing the whole area, some may be open while others are closed. If at least one jugular vein is open, the evidence of traumatic asphyxiation is not likely to be there. But if both carotid arteries are partially blocked, the brain will stop receiving oxygen just the same, without leaving these signs of bruising within the eyes that the medical examiner was probably looking for.
I was looking for their take since they used such a short sentence to explain absolutely nothing
05-29-2020, 08:11 PM
Copied and pasted with no other motive than to provide info:
"Derek Chauvin, the ex-Minneapolis police officer charged today with third-degree murder and manslaughter in connection with the killing of George Floyd, had his knee on Floyd’s neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds total, according to the complaint.
For two minutes and 53 seconds, Floyd was “non-responsive”.
“Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous,” the complaint states.
As captured in the now-viral video, Floyd repeatedly told the officers “I can’t breathe” before pleading with them, saying “Mama” and “please”. One of the officers responded, “You are talking fine” as he struggled.
The other three officers, identified by authorities as Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J Alexander Kueng, were also fired. According to the complaint, Lane had asked, “Should we roll him on his side?”
Chauvin responded, “No, staying put where we got him.”
“I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said.
“That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said.
The medical examiner’s autopsy report is still pending, but preliminary findings have determined that a combination of the police hold on Floyd, his underlying health conditions of coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, as well as “any potential intoxicants” likely contributed to his death.
Floyd ended up on the ground after Lane pointed his gun at him and instructed him to step out of a car. Lane and Kueng had been responding to a report that someone had used a counterfeit $20 bill at a nearby store, and the store owner identified the person as sitting in a parked car around the corner. There were three people in the car.
The officers had handcuffed Floyd and were walking him to their police cruiser when he “stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.”
Chauvin and Thoa arrived at about 8:14pm. Within five minutes, Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck.
At 8:25pm, the video “appears to show Mr Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak”.
“Want to roll him on his side?” Lane asked. Kueng then checked Floyds wrist for a pulse. “I couldn’t find one.”
“None of the officers moved from their positions,” the complaint states.
At 8:27pm, Chauvin removed his knee."
"Derek Chauvin, the ex-Minneapolis police officer charged today with third-degree murder and manslaughter in connection with the killing of George Floyd, had his knee on Floyd’s neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds total, according to the complaint.
For two minutes and 53 seconds, Floyd was “non-responsive”.
“Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous,” the complaint states.
As captured in the now-viral video, Floyd repeatedly told the officers “I can’t breathe” before pleading with them, saying “Mama” and “please”. One of the officers responded, “You are talking fine” as he struggled.
The other three officers, identified by authorities as Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J Alexander Kueng, were also fired. According to the complaint, Lane had asked, “Should we roll him on his side?”
Chauvin responded, “No, staying put where we got him.”
“I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said.
“That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said.
The medical examiner’s autopsy report is still pending, but preliminary findings have determined that a combination of the police hold on Floyd, his underlying health conditions of coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, as well as “any potential intoxicants” likely contributed to his death.
Floyd ended up on the ground after Lane pointed his gun at him and instructed him to step out of a car. Lane and Kueng had been responding to a report that someone had used a counterfeit $20 bill at a nearby store, and the store owner identified the person as sitting in a parked car around the corner. There were three people in the car.
The officers had handcuffed Floyd and were walking him to their police cruiser when he “stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.”
Chauvin and Thoa arrived at about 8:14pm. Within five minutes, Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck.
At 8:25pm, the video “appears to show Mr Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak”.
“Want to roll him on his side?” Lane asked. Kueng then checked Floyds wrist for a pulse. “I couldn’t find one.”
“None of the officers moved from their positions,” the complaint states.
At 8:27pm, Chauvin removed his knee."
05-29-2020, 08:36 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:58 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 07:48 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think these guys know how a preliminary autopsy report works
From what I can gather, it was a myriad of reasons that caused his death. They cant say definitively that the restraint was the cause of death nor can they rule it out. The empirical evidence suggests that a manslaughter conviction is on it's way.
(05-29-2020, 07:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The autopsy says that there is "no evidence of traumatic asphyxiation".
In other words, they do not believe that his jugular veins were blocked in such a way to cause tiny bruises to appear in the lining of his eyeballs.
People who do not understand medical science and the human body may take this to mean that having a knee on the back of one's neck is a safe way to go about life, and the officer really could not have meant to kill him, but that is nonsense.
Listen to this mechanical engineer.
Multiple types of fluids are present in the human body and they have multiple unique pathways through the neck. Air goes up and down the same pathway. Blood goes up some and down others. Each of these pathways are flexible and if you're compressing the whole area, some may be open while others are closed. If at least one jugular vein is open, the evidence of traumatic asphyxiation is not likely to be there. But if both carotid arteries are partially blocked, the brain will stop receiving oxygen just the same, without leaving these signs of bruising within the eyes that the medical examiner was probably looking for.
I was looking for their take since they used such a short sentence to explain absolutely nothing
https://twitter.com/TomatoGrandpa/status...38624?s=19
https://twitter.com/TomatoGrandpa/status...08965?s=19
https://twitter.com/TomatoGrandpa/status...86113?s=19
05-29-2020, 08:46 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:33 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 06:00 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]No. I'm not going to deny that there are in fact still people that hold racist beliefs. However, I would estimate that the percentage is VERY small. I know people around my age (mid 50's) that have learned that racist ideas were wrong. Their elders (parents, relatives, etc.) might not have. I know that my great aunt used to call black people "coloreds" until the day that she died. There was no changing a 90 year old woman's mind about that.
I would guess that most people age 60 or less don't believe or look at race/color the way that they did pre-1970 or so.
As far as "racial injustice", I don't think that it's a real "problem" today. Everyone has the same opportunity to achieve (or not) whatever they want to achieve. A poor black kid growing up poor in a ghetto has the ability to become an award winning neurosurgeon. - Ben Carson
A black woman who grew up in Birmingham, Alabama when segregation was still a thing became Secretary of State. - Condoleezza Rice.
A poor black man grew up to become the CEO of a major food chain. - Herman Cain
People need to get rid of the whole "victim" deal, especially with regards to race.
Since I answered your question why not answer what I have been asking? Regarding this whole case, why did the officers take the suspect down to the ground and why were they restraining him the way that they were (as shown in the publicly released videos/pictures)? Why is that part left out of any video clips or pictures?
I would put money on it that the reason they did that wasn't because of his race or skin color. There had to be a reason.
And before anyone says that I'm justifying or condoning the actions that the officers took, I am not. I'm just questioning why they did what they did and what led up to it. That part hasn't been presented yet in the court of public opinion.
centuries of oppression created a structured society that still leaves many people facing much greater odds of achieving "success". Of course there are examples of people who have beaten the odds, but there are so many more examples of people who could not.
No... They didn't. After the Civil War, from 1860 to 1960 Black America went through one of the greatest economic expansions in the history of MANKIND (1945ish to 1960ish was basically an economic miracle.) At that time, black unemployment rates were comparable to their white counterparts, middle class expansion had actually outpaced them and the rate of two parent households was slightly higher than their white counterparts. Had that trend continued then Black America today would be more on par with Asian Americans than our current situation. When you look at Black children of two parent college educated parents, they actually have a higher expected earning capacity than white children of the same background.
I hope that your vision of an equal society is something that we could achieve in the future, but I think there are many things that should be done to help bridge the seemingly increasing gaps that have emerged. NYC's logical and clear proposals about reforming police use of force and vetting for racial bias seems like an obvious immediate example of something that could make a difference, even if only in perception at first.
As bad as anything gets in this country, Venezuala isn't the answer. Why do I bring up Venezuala? Because they are the perfect example of a centrally planned state run economy. In the 1960's black America outsourced its agency to the war on poverty and state solutions to our problems. To that time we have spent some 20 trillion dollars and enacted failed policy after failed policy with the false promise of FILLING THE RACE GAP and in reality it made things worse.
The greatest indicator of the success of a child isn't the color of their skin, its the makeup of their household and the presence of the father in the home. At current, 90%ish of Asian American children are raised in two parent households, 72% for white Americans, 51% of Hispanic Americans, and only 27% of Black children. That disparity is straight out of the inherent flaws in the welfare state, the war on poverty, and secular progressivism. That level of illegitimacy has absolutely no historical correlation to what used to be a faith lead community. Whenever anything bad happens progressives are quick to ask How blacks did in the 100 years after slavery, but never even allow the question of how blacks have done after 60 years of liberal policies.
As to the current situation, I still ask the question "Is Keith Ellison a shill for the Alt Right?" Why do I ask the question? Because you and the left continue to proliferate the myth that there is some kind of structural or institutional bias against black Americans. No one ever stops to ask how certain segments of society are structured and how that influences the institutions that govern them. In the Case of Minnesota we have burned down a city based on the illusion of racial bias, but no one has brought up the fact that the chief law enforcement officer in the State is a Black Muslim Democrat who was endorsed by the Democratic socialists of America to run the Democrat national convention. I am sure that he got 90+% of the vote from the community that is now claiming to be "voiceless". This is already a state that has laws on the books that mandate a store owner has to retreat to safety and can't confront a looter with lethal force. Does that sound like some mecca of Backwoods conservatism? Does that sound like some walking Trump Rally? Is Keith Ellison just a front man for David Duke? Is Ilhan Ohmar a secret daughter of the confederacy?
When will it ever be okay for black people to look at the Democrats they elect and ask "Hey, hows that working for us?"
05-29-2020, 08:54 PM
05-29-2020, 09:03 PM
(05-29-2020, 07:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](05-29-2020, 07:33 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Good post, it's nice to have a bit of rational discussion.
I understand your view, and I agree with you that the people in society who hold blatant racist views are fewer than in the past (at least if you look at it on the grand scale of history). But I definitely disagree about racism not being a big factor in the US today. I don't believe that something that was so entrenched in people's lives back then just fades away to basically nothing, and I don't believe that the society we live in today is fair for all; centuries of oppression created a structured society that still leaves many people facing much greater odds of achieving "success". Of course there are examples of people who have beaten the odds, but there are so many more examples of people who could not.
I hope that your vision of an equal society is something that we could achieve in the future, but I think there are many things that should be done to help bridge the seemingly increasing gaps that have emerged. NYC's logical and clear proposals about reforming police use of force and vetting for racial bias seems like an obvious immediate example of something that could make a difference, even if only in perception at first.
As far as your questions about what may have happened in this case to end up with the man on the ground, I obviously don't know anything you don't know. It would be interesting to see, for sure. But in my mind it doesn't change a thing about what happened once he was on the floor, cuffed, with three cops kneeling on him, essentially begging for his life.
Either way, personally I am less interested in the specifics of each and every case like this. I always look at the big picture, and when you put this case in the context of so many others that we have seen over the last decade or so (and not just those that result in death), I find it impossible not to think about a bigger underlying problem that link these things. I know jj and last42 will see that as some kind of neurosis on my part, I feel similarly about their narrow use of statistics and how they ignore the views of people who actually live the experience, and the visual evidence that forms a terrifying whole, not a series of singularities.
Very well said. But to be fair, JJ keeps telling us he's black. And I believe it. So he should have some of this lived experience, but he never talks about it.
I've talked about it before, but I'll bring it up again.
I'm not a big fan of police. It's not because I think there is a universal racial bias. It's because I know that the state is a poor check on it's own powers. Police officers are the most dangerous form of state authority that 99.999999% of citizens will ever see. For a Judge to Impose a death penalty it will take a trial and 20 some odd years of appeals, verdicts etc. A police officer can kill based on reasonable threat of life or great bodily injury. Police officers are always going to be given the benefit of the doubt by prosecutors and judges. That's just the way it is. That's why I think that their role in society should be limited to protecting the property rights of citizens.
As for my personal experience I was falsely arrested, falsely charged with a Felony, and essentially robbed by two police officers who didn't look like me. The level of misconduct would make Sydney Powell blush. They were literally conspiring to charge me with theft because I had the title to a car I had just purchased in my pocket. Think about that. They wanted to charge me with theft because I had proof of ownership! Luckily that charge was not approved by prosecutors. Instead they tried to charge me with a third degree felony because they alleged that I scraped the vin off of a piece of equipment that never had one in the first place. Luckily I had the money for a lawyer and had the case thrown out. Most people who didn't have a lawyer would have been forced into copping a plea like 90% plus of the criminal cases in this country. I am no fan of the criminal justice system or the state exercising this level of power. I just recognize that the problem is actually BIGGER than one or two cops prejudice cops.
I was also injured during my Arrest. When they put the cuffs on me they crushed my nerve in my right wrist and I still have a deformation because of it. But during that experience I learned something that stuck with me. At the time, i had a hole in my back pocket and when they lugged me out of the car, my wallet fell out of my back pocket and to the ground. I asked the arresting officer to pick it up and put it in my pocket. He did. when he knelt down he put his forearm on my knee. Why? Because most of the time when someone asks for them to pick something up they plan on kicking them in the teeth or something to that affect. They crushed my wrist with their handcuffs because I'm 6' 300lbs and they knew if i wanted to hurt them that I could. Now I'm biased! My first few semesters of College I thought I wanted to be a criminal defense attorney and took a couple courses in criminal justice. In that environment I was exposed to the thought process that permeates in law enforcement that in reality ANYONE can be a threat.
So in summation, I am black. I have had a very negative experience with police officer. I have no illusions that just because you have a badge on makes you a saint, but at the same time i can empathize with the stresses and realities of doing that job. I can also understand how those stressors added to a life or death situation can cause tragedy.