(06-01-2020, 06:51 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 05:14 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]If you read the article and what the "independent" examiner said, it was clear they would reach that opinion. They always disagree as prosecutors and defense both have their opinions. That is the problem with facts and interpretation. They should list the facts and not give opinions.
I thought it was pretty clear seeing him choke to death via knee, but that's me.
When I saw Dr. Baden was performing the autopsy for the family, I was a little exasperated. It seems he always gives results counter to the official M.E. report, which makes me wonder if he's truly neutral. Was his opinion on the Jeffrey Epstein case ever fully accepted? I get the impression the guy is a contrarian for the notoriety.
Same idiots complaining Trump was "in a bunker" last night will complain after his speech.
(06-01-2020, 07:28 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 06:51 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I thought it was pretty clear seeing him choke to death via knee, but that's me.
Was he choking, gasping for air, etc? I have no doubt it contributed to his death, but was it the cause of death? The facts aren't conclusive on that. It is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
I'm also not quite sure Kennedy was killed by a bullet. I heard he had congenital heart disease for a few years prior.
(06-01-2020, 07:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Same idiots complaining Trump was "in a bunker" last night will complain after his speech.
Hell of a photo-op though! STRONGMANBIBLE
(06-01-2020, 07:48 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:28 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Was he choking, gasping for air, etc? I have no doubt it contributed to his death, but was it the cause of death? The facts aren't conclusive on that. It is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
I'm also not quite sure Kennedy was killed by a bullet. I heard he had congenital heart disease for a few years prior.
(06-01-2020, 07:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Same idiots complaining Trump was "in a bunker" last night will complain after his speech.
Hell of a photo-op though! STRONGMANBIBLE
Donald Trump really just had the police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protestors in Washington D.C. to clear the streets for a photo op at a church he doesn't attend, with a book he's never read that teaches lessons he doesn't preach. Unbelievable.
(06-01-2020, 07:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:48 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also not quite sure Kennedy was killed by a bullet. I heard he had congenital heart disease for a few years prior.
Hell of a photo-op though! STRONGMANBIBLE
Donald Trump really just had the police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protestors in Washington D.C. to clear the streets for a photo op at a church he doesn't attend, with a book he's never read that teaches lessons he doesn't preach. Unbelievable.
To give a speech where he went on to say he is a champion of peaceful protest. Unbelievable doesn't even begin to cover it.
Wow, there is a lot of white people in this thread.
(06-01-2020, 06:03 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ] I myself have felt threatened by some officers, and I don’t think it is me, I think if you don’t do the “yes sir” “no sir” and act like certain officers are above you as some form of high and mighty authority figure they are going to push their authority to the limit. As Cartman would say “You will respect my authoritie”
Believe it or not, everyone has to do the "yes sir" no sir" thing with cops if they want a clean interaction. The moment you deviate from it, you get a cop with a burr under his saddle who won't feel better about the interaction until he delivers some pain. I've been ticketed with a minivan full of 5 year olds and birthday presents for not signalling a "left turn" when I merged from the Dames Point Bridge offramp onto Heckscher Drive. I did the "yes sir" routine and got ticketed anyway even thought it was a totally made-up charge - but I didn't get choked to death either.
(06-01-2020, 07:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:48 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also not quite sure Kennedy was killed by a bullet. I heard he had congenital heart disease for a few years prior.
Hell of a photo-op though! STRONGMANBIBLE
Donald Trump really just had the police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protestors in Washington D.C. to clear the streets for a photo op at a church he doesn't attend, with a book he's never read that teaches lessons he doesn't preach. Unbelievable.
Umm, it’s Donald Trump. Isn't that actually completely believable? This was just him being sore about the criticism he received for his bunker stay. He had to prove to his base that he's no coward.
(06-01-2020, 07:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:48 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also not quite sure Kennedy was killed by a bullet. I heard he had congenital heart disease for a few years prior.
Hell of a photo-op though! STRONGMANBIBLE
Donald Trump really just had the police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protestors in Washington D.C. to clear the streets for a photo op at a church he doesn't attend, with a book he's never read that teaches lessons he doesn't preach. Unbelievable.
I love you man...
This is why i don't like to see People try and turn law enforcement into teddy Bears. If the Secret Service tells you to clear a path for the POTUS, you CLEAR A PATH FOR POTUS! That's after 50 Secret Service agents were injured after an attack where the White House Gates were almost breached. The walk was made around the time that the curfew went into affect.
(06-01-2020, 07:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:48 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also not quite sure Kennedy was killed by a bullet. I heard he had congenital heart disease for a few years prior.
Hell of a photo-op though! STRONGMANBIBLE
Donald Trump really just had the police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protestors in Washington D.C. to clear the streets for a photo op at a church he doesn't attend, with a book he's never read that teaches lessons he doesn't preach. Unbelievable.
Funny.
The same people going chicken little over Jade Helm and Fema camp conspiracy theories, the same people forming militias and flying don't tread on me flags are actually supporting this.
I don't want to hear jack [BLEEP] about patriotism or governmental overreach from them ever.
(06-01-2020, 07:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Same idiots complaining Trump was "in a bunker" last night will complain after his speech.
A REAL American leader would...I dunno...address the American people and appeal for unity and healing....not hide .
A REAL American leader would not use the military for law enforcement.
Posse Comitatus, militia nuts?
Insurrection act? No state has requested it.
(06-01-2020, 09:25 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Same idiots complaining Trump was "in a bunker" last night will complain after his speech.
A REAL American leader would...I dunno...address the American people and appeal for unity and healing....not hide .
A REAL American leader would not use the military for law enforcement.
Posse Comitatus, militia nuts?
Insurrection act? No state has requested it.
Something has to be done. What do you suggest Bullseye? Hope the terrorist tire out and go home? Have you seen the footage of these people beating helpless people to within an inch of their life?
(06-01-2020, 10:54 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 10:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Furthermore, while last 42's post tries, in some way for constructive dialogue, it's still largely silent on how African Americans are supposed to acceptably voice dissent.
He talks about new leadership, rejecting gangs and the welfare state, but says nothing about voicing dissent against racism.
Peaceful protests directed at the actual violators (in this case MPD and Minneapolis City Hall) seems to me to be the right approach. Are you justifying the use of violence because ____ ?
As far as Kaepernick is concerned, he expressed hatred for the whole United States of America rather than blame those responsible, and not just during the National Anthem but in lauding Castro's Cuba as being better than the US. He has the right to protest peacefully, but that doesn't protect him from the observation that he's a despicable idiot.
Complete horse [BLEEP].
He did no such thing-exoressing hatred towards the U.S.. He consulted a former Green Beret-Nate Boyer- on how to best express dissent on this issue and show respect to the military and the country. He was trashed.
The people who who show the hatred for this country are those righties flying nazi and confederate flags. You know...flags of entities that WAGED WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AND KILLED AMERICAN SOLDIERS!
Of course, no condemnation from you or other righties. They are patriots. Very fine people as your fuhrer...president would say.
Rational discourse is going out the window.
(06-01-2020, 09:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 07:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Donald Trump really just had the police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protestors in Washington D.C. to clear the streets for a photo op at a church he doesn't attend, with a book he's never read that teaches lessons he doesn't preach. Unbelievable.
Funny.
The same people going chicken little over Jade Helm and Fema camp conspiracy theories, the same people forming militias and flying don't tread on me flags are actually supporting this.
I don't want to hear jack [BLEEP] about patriotism or governmental overreach from them ever.
That’s partisan politics in a nutshell, to be fair. I view the left and right as two groups on opposite sides of the road, each side holding their signs. Whenever the occupant of the White House is replaced with someone from the other side, the two groups drop their signs, cross the street and pick up the other group's signs, then continue.
Right now, it's these so-called small government conservatives that support Trump who seem so comical. That they've vehemently argued states rights in the past, only to argue the opposite is absolutely hilarious.
That said, I'm not sure why the left is so sore over Trump's anti-capitalist, protectionist democrat tariffs.
(06-01-2020, 09:28 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 09:25 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]A REAL American leader would...I dunno...address the American people and appeal for unity and healing....not hide .
A REAL American leader would not use the military for law enforcement.
Posse Comitatus, militia nuts?
Insurrection act? No state has requested it.
Something has to be done. What do you suggest Bullseye? Hope the terrorist tire out and go home? Have you seen the footage of these people beating helpless people to within an inch of their life?
1. Not violate the Constitution-you know...the document you guys claim to revere.
2. Ensure the remaining three cops get arrested.
3. Let the states continue to impose and enforce the curfews.
The protests, while still active...are slowly dying down. This country has had several riots over the years without the President declaring the American people need to be "dominated," and that he would deploy the military in violation of the Constitution.
Are you saying Federal government overreach is okay now?
Should Trump use the fema camps you RWNJs were sp wprroed about?!?
By the way, the significance of him moving first on Washington D.C. is obvious.
1. Not a state
2. Full of blacks.
P.S. Protesters are NOT terrorists.
(06-01-2020, 09:43 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 09:28 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Something has to be done. What do you suggest Bullseye? Hope the terrorist tire out and go home? Have you seen the footage of these people beating helpless people to within an inch of their life?
1. Not violate the Constitution-you know...the document you guys claim to revere.
2. Ensure the remaining three cops get arrested.
3. Let the states continue to impose and enforce the curfews.
The protests, while still active...are slowly dying down. This country has had several riots over the years without the President declaring the American people need to be "dominated," and that he would deploy the military in violation of the Constitution.
Are you saying Federal government overreach is okay now?
Should Trump use the fema camps you RWNJs were sp wprroed about?!?
By the way, the significance of him moving first on Washington D.C. is obvious.
1. Not a state
2. Full of blacks.
They are NOT enforcing the curfews. Turn on your TV if you don't believe me.
If state leadership refuses to do their job, then something has to be done.
NOW we are worried about the constitution all of a sudden?
Are you sympathetic to any of these hard working Americans who just lost their businesses and livelihood and will be [BLEEP] over by their insurance carriers when they try to rebuild?
Justice will come to the other 3 dirty cops.
99% OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT PROTESTORS!!!!!
(06-01-2020, 09:40 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2020, 09:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Funny.
The same people going chicken little over Jade Helm and Fema camp conspiracy theories, the same people forming militias and flying don't tread on me flags are actually supporting this.
I don't want to hear jack [BLEEP] about patriotism or governmental overreach from them ever.
That’s partisan politics in a nutshell, to be fair. I view the left and right as two groups on opposite sides of the road, each side holding their signs. Whenever the occupant of the White House is replaced with someone from the other side, the two groups drop their signs, cross the street and pick up the other group's signs, then continue.
Right now, it's these so-called small government conservatives that support Trump who seem so comical. That they've vehemently argued states rights in the past, only to argue the opposite is absolutely hilarious.
That said, I'm not sure why the left is so sore over Trump's anti-capitalist, protectionist democrat tariffs.
You really should post more.
Particularly that last paragraph, the Trump fans also get very sore when you point out that Trump actually is economically not remotely a free marketer.
(06-01-2020, 09:34 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Rational discourse is going out the window.
Rational political discourse went out of the window ages ago, and certainly was not present during the previous administration.
Terrorist fist jabs?
Imposition of Sharia law?!?
Jade Helm?!?
Fema Camps?!?