(05-28-2020, 07:35 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2020, 06:16 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Why did the store surveillance video cut off before they got to the cop SUV? I have no clue how they could have ended up on the ground on the other side of the SUV.
What could he have done that deserved to be murdered?
Not fully complying with police action is not worth the death penalty is it?
Not sure why you would want to live under such a regime.
Just want to see how they ended up on the other side of the SUV. He is in handcuffs already, so not sure what had to have happened. They have video, so why not show it?
Police station burned down.
Where is the National Guard?
Guessing this is Ilhan Omar's district?
(05-29-2020, 12:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 12:19 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]What are you implying?
Is it?
What does it matter if it is or isn't? Your post suggests that's important in some material way. Why does the US Representative for a district have anything to do with the what's happening in it right now?
(05-29-2020, 12:24 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 12:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Is it?
What does it matter if it is or isn't? Your post suggests that's important in some material way. Why does the US Representative for a district have anything to do with the what's happening in it right now?
It was a rhetorical question TJ. Of course it's her district.
My point is Democrat run cities breed this type of behavior.
Ordering the FD to stand down while they burn down the PD. This is 3rd world country [BLEEP] here TJ.
Minnesota’s 5th District
Senate:
(D) Amy Klobuchar @amyklobuchar
(D) Tina Smith @TinaSmithMN
Congressperson:
(D) Ilhan Omar @Ilhan
Mayor:
(D) Jacob Frey @Jacob_Frey
Governor:
(D) Tim Walz @GovTimWalz
(05-29-2020, 12:26 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 12:24 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]What does it matter if it is or isn't? Your post suggests that's important in some material way. Why does the US Representative for a district have anything to do with the what's happening in it right now?
It was a rhetorical question TJ. Of course it's her district.
My point is Democrat run cities breed this type of behavior.
There are
two major cities in the entire country that are redder than they are blue in terms of registered voter count: San Diego and Fort Worth. This [BLEEP] doesn't happen in Republican cities because
there are no Republican cities.
Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtru...44704?s=21
Oh, and "we will assume control". He's more "big government" than any liberal I've ever met.
(05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
So carrying out a death sentence without a trial against people who have may or may not have committed burglary. Yeah,
that's going to de-escalate things, and opening fire on unarmed civilians is always the morally right thing to do.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Minnesota government didn't need help, because they absolutely do, but a tweet that uses "THUGS" in all caps--a word that is identified by many in the African-American community as being the same thing as calling them n-words--is inflammatory and tone-deaf. Two things Trump loves to be when he knows it'll win him brownie points with the ever-shrinking percentage of this country that's still trying to defend him as anything other than an opportunistic sack of [BLEEP].
(05-29-2020, 01:42 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
So carrying out a death sentence without a trial against people who have may or may not have committed burglary. Yeah, that's going to de-escalate things, and opening fire on unarmed civilians is always the morally right thing to do.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Minnesota government didn't need help, because they absolutely do, but a tweet that uses "THUGS" in all caps--a word that is identified by many in the African-American community as being the same thing as calling them n-words--is inflammatory and tone-deaf. Two things Trump loves to be when he knows it'll win him brownie points with the ever-shrinking percentage of this country that's still trying to defend him as anything other than an opportunistic sack of [BLEEP].
All that rhetoric is meant for his base that masquerades as conservatives, but they're something different entirely. And that tweet still shows how he thinks his power supercedes everything. "We'll assume control." Lol, nope.
(05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtru...44704?s=21
Oh, and "we will assume control". He's more "big government" than any liberal I've ever met
Conservatives love big government now that they have a winner doing the control
(05-29-2020, 02:18 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtru...44704?s=21
Oh, and "we will assume control". He's more "big government" than any liberal I've ever met
Conservatives love big government now that they have a winner doing the control
Conservatives, or Trump supporters? They're not the same, you know.
(05-28-2020, 08:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2020, 08:14 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]No. I said out of every 10 MILLION reported interactions between a black man and a police officer, 100 unarmed black men have been shot. Can you read?
I used data from a the Bureau of Justice website from 2015.
Also, that's police initiated contact. Meaning, the cops weren't called by said person.
Thanks. Obviously I can read, I just can't always read backwards in a 5 way discussion.
What you're saying makes sense, but it's not persuasive.
It's very hard to hide deaths. If the stats say 104 people got killed by police, it probably was exactly 104. And of those 104, many were probably justified, due to the suspect having a weapon and credibly threatening an officer's life.
But it is certainly much easier to hide use of force that does not result in death. In fact, even if you could document the use of force, I don't think you will ever reliably be able to categorize those massive amounts of incidents into "excessive" and "not excessive."
And that's what generates the mistrust between minorities and the police. That's why minorities will identify with this victim, George Floyd, no matter how many statistics you throw at them about how this is an aberration. It's the mistrust that I'm concerned about, because that mistrust is one of many misunderstandings between black people and white people in this country in general.
That's a lie. It's progressive "Disparate Impact Theory" that generates the distrust between minorities and police officers.
(05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtru...44704?s=21
Oh, and "we will assume control". He's more "big government" than any liberal I've ever met.
As the president of the United States, he has the responsibility to protect the rights of his citizens. Is he supposed to sit back and allow an entire city to burn down and have millions of American Citizens held hostage to people emotions?
If you don't understand conservatism, limited government, federalism, etc. then that's on you. Stop wasting our time with your ignorance.
(05-28-2020, 09:15 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately you come across as more upset that it is being classed as racist than the death itself. Maybe some self reflection?
I don't think you fully understand how racism works. A person doesn't need to be spouting racist slurs or even be consciously thinking it.
here we go with "implicit biased"
(05-28-2020, 09:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2020, 08:56 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Who disagrees with that? I can't find one person that thinks this was acceptable, including many police departments that have come out to condemn it. This cop was clearly unfit for the position and deserves punishment. I condemn the act. However, I am addressing a different issue in this thread, because what should have been a bipartisan issue about our shared humanity has been handcuffed to a lie that police are killing blacks in mass numbers. This narrative should not be supported by anyone. It is not ok to use a minuscule sample size as evidence of widespread corruption and racism. People are literally rioting because they believe they are being murdered by police, but the numbers do not bear this out. This isn't because it's a rampant problem. It's because the media pushes a narrative because it makes them money and happens to fit the world view of a majority of journalists and editors.
You will not solve human error, either from bad judgement or poor character. You could make the entire police department black, and there would still be unjust killings. As an aside, it's a statistical fact that black police officers are more likely to kill black suspects, and this holds true for other races, too (whites kill more whites, hispanics kill more hispanics). Just stop telling people they are being killed by a racist institution. It's a LIE.
Just trying to steer to topic.
Which is the senseless killing of George Floyd by a reckless cop who had 18 complaints filed against him - including an excessive force lawsuit ending in the C.O. Minneapolis paying out a settlement.
Regarding your "racist institution" thing:
Unfortunately we just don't have data to bear out exactly how many lives have been unnecessarily lost at the hands of cops who were also racist [BLEEP] -wads. That data doesn't exist.
What we do know is that police forces need to do a better job of vetting out the racist [BLEEP] -wads and training the ones who do make the cut exactly how and when to use lethal force.
A call for reform on both issues is warranted.
reform... vetting...
I'm still waiting for any indication THIS INCIDENT was racially motivated.
(05-29-2020, 12:26 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 12:24 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]What does it matter if it is or isn't? Your post suggests that's important in some material way. Why does the US Representative for a district have anything to do with the what's happening in it right now?
It was a rhetorical question TJ. Of course it's her district.
My point is Democrat run cities breed this type of behavior.
Ordering the FD to stand down while they burn down the PD. This is 3rd world country [BLEEP] here TJ.
Minnesota’s 5th District
Senate:
(D) Amy Klobuchar @amyklobuchar
(D) Tina Smith @TinaSmithMN
Congressperson:
(D) Ilhan Omar @Ilhan
Mayor:
(D) Jacob Frey @Jacob_Frey
Governor:
(D) Tim Walz @GovTimWalz
Exactly. The left will crow about institutional racism, yet somehow neglect to mention who runs said institutions. At the beginning of this thread you had people taking a tragedy that occurred in a northern progressive hub and spouting their stereotypes of what people in the "deep south" would think of it.
(05-29-2020, 12:32 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 12:26 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a rhetorical question TJ. Of course it's her district.
My point is Democrat run cities breed this type of behavior.
There are two major cities in the entire country that are redder than they are blue in terms of registered voter count: San Diego and Fort Worth. This [BLEEP] doesn't happen in Republican cities because there are no Republican cities.
And how has that worked out for black America over the last 50 years? you just crystalized our point.
(05-29-2020, 05:04 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtru...44704?s=21
Oh, and "we will assume control". He's more "big government" than any liberal I've ever met.
As the president of the United States, he has the responsibility to protect the rights of his citizens. Is he supposed to sit back and allow an entire city to burn down and have millions of American Citizens held hostage to people emotions?
If you don't understand conservatism, limited government, federalism, etc. then that's on you. Stop wasting our time with your ignorance.
Ignorant? You're the Trump fan. Don’t you people routinely prattle on about states' rights? Now the [BLEEP] Cheeto Jesus you worship wants to upend those rights, and you're okay with that? Yes, please explain conservatism to me. I could use the laugh.
(05-29-2020, 01:42 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
So carrying out a death sentence without a trial against people who have may or may not have committed burglary. Yeah, that's going to de-escalate things, and opening fire on unarmed civilians is always the morally right thing to do.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Minnesota government didn't need help, because they absolutely do, but a tweet that uses "THUGS" in all caps--a word that is identified by many in the African-American community as being the same thing as calling them n-words--is inflammatory and tone-deaf. Two things Trump loves to be when he knows it'll win him brownie points with the ever-shrinking percentage of this country that's still trying to defend him as anything other than an opportunistic sack of [BLEEP].
Wait what? Trump calls out the idiots pushing shopping carts full of stolen goods out of target and HE's the opportunist? Bruh... hundreds of millions of dollars of damage being done to black communities by looters and criminals and we get pearl clutching about "THUGS" in all caps.
(05-29-2020, 02:18 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2020, 01:29 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Big government Don is at it again. In this installment of Dumb Donnie, he threatens military action against citizens of a state. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". How small government if him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtru...44704?s=21
Oh, and "we will assume control". He's more "big government" than any liberal I've ever met
Conservatives love big government now that they have a winner doing the control
All I can do is shake my head @ this garbage...
There goes Trump. Making the situation better again..... oh wait....
(05-29-2020, 05:04 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2020, 08:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks. Obviously I can read, I just can't always read backwards in a 5 way discussion.
What you're saying makes sense, but it's not persuasive.
It's very hard to hide deaths. If the stats say 104 people got killed by police, it probably was exactly 104. And of those 104, many were probably justified, due to the suspect having a weapon and credibly threatening an officer's life.
But it is certainly much easier to hide use of force that does not result in death. In fact, even if you could document the use of force, I don't think you will ever reliably be able to categorize those massive amounts of incidents into "excessive" and "not excessive."
And that's what generates the mistrust between minorities and the police. That's why minorities will identify with this victim, George Floyd, no matter how many statistics you throw at them about how this is an aberration. It's the mistrust that I'm concerned about, because that mistrust is one of many misunderstandings between black people and white people in this country in general.
That's a lie. It's progressive "Disparate Impact Theory" that generates the distrust between minorities and police officers.
.gif "Laughing")
What are you even trying to say?
Is the "disparate impact theory" false?
Are you trying to say there are no disparate impacts out there?
You think every single policy that doesn't explicitly mention race in writing must therefore impact each race exactly the same way?
(05-29-2020, 05:10 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-28-2020, 09:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just trying to steer to topic.
Which is the senseless killing of George Floyd by a reckless cop who had 18 complaints filed against him - including an excessive force lawsuit ending in the C.O. Minneapolis paying out a settlement.
Regarding your "racist institution" thing:
Unfortunately we just don't have data to bear out exactly how many lives have been unnecessarily lost at the hands of cops who were also racist [BLEEP] -wads. That data doesn't exist.
What we do know is that police forces need to do a better job of vetting out the racist [BLEEP] -wads and training the ones who do make the cut exactly how and when to use lethal force.
A call for reform on both issues is warranted.
reform... vetting...
I'm still waiting for any indication THIS INCIDENT was racially motivated.
Doesn’t matter.
Reform of force and vetting are still your most obvious and basic steps to repairing the cluster- [BLEEP] taking place.