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(05-29-2020, 08:54 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Barry called rioters THUGS 5 years ago.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K-_NLBzggZE

Except... He didn't.

(05-29-2020, 01:58 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2020, 01:36 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Mistrust based on misinformation can only be rectified through correct information.  

As Thomas Sowell points out, in these instances not only is no evidence presented, none is asked for.  Its just assumed that because the officers were white (and one asian) that their actions were because of "white supremacy" etc.  That makes no sense outside the SJW echo chamber.

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I passed stats class?

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Bring back the like feature please.

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(05-29-2020, 01:55 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]When was it, exactly, in the history of America, when race suddenly became a fictional 'boogieman' and not a massive influence on how society is shaped, and how people treat each other within society?

Context matters. Try again.

(05-29-2020, 02:05 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2020, 01:58 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Bring back the like feature please.

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Context matters. Try again.

Try answering the question.

The question is irrelevant, because I am not saying there are no race issues in the United States. Context matters. My complaint is against a narrative that I believe is actually hurting race relations. The narrative IS a major part of the problem, so I am addressing that. I didn't just pull it out of my [BLEEP]. I was made front and center by posters in this thread and activists in the news. It's repeated by people who take advantage of the division. It's not supported by data. It's supported by feelings.

Just watching Hannity on fox and in 2 minutes I have heard:

Fake news CNN
It's all the democrats governor's fault

It's actually unbelievable how partisan the news you lap up is.

(05-29-2020, 11:02 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2020, 09:53 AM)BLast42min Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks, NYC. You should put that idea out to police departments. I'm sure they aren't vetting their candidates and working to reform their practices. Now that they know the trick, we're gonna see that .00000097%  just plummet. They just needed to try harder. MILLIONS of interactions a year, and you expect perfection. This is a stand alone argument and has nothing to do with what I'm about to post, because I might be switching sides depending on how the following plays out. 

Check out this video:



This dude apparently got all dressed up, smashed the windows across the street, threatened to fight the guys following him, then headed towards the back of the police station. If this is a cop trying to divert attention from the protesters (which I believe is probable), this is going to be a HUGE deal. This would absolutely reinforce the notion that this police department is corrupt. Corruption is sufficient to thoroughly investigate, punish, and replace police officers who have abused their authority. 

This would be such an easy case to unite the American people if we could just drop the racial narrative. We won't, though.

You’re welcome. Happy to point out the obvious to those ignoring it anytime. 

You keep ignoring this reality of the perception of racial bias from police toward the African-American community because you’ve got some number you think disproves it. 

That’s where you’re missing it. 

Widespread measures to augment the training already in place for officers would be the easiest first step to bridging the divide. 

It doesn’t matter what you or I think about the number of racially motivated bad acts by cops. 
The hurt inflicted by the small number of bad actors still must be addressed. 
Common sense measures like what I’m suggesting  aren’t a bad thing. 

This one incident may involve a racist cop and it may not. We don’t know, but not addressing the damage done would be stupid.

Again. I am not ignoring this reality. I am telling you what I believe is the major contributor to this perception. It's the racial narrative that is pushed by people who exploit it. Two of  your posts were contradictory to mine, and it seemed like you were suggesting that racism is rampant in police departments. I don't believe it is. I am with JJ. I think the position corrupts or draws people who want power. I think your solutions are not simple. I think they're naive. Here's another way to solve the problem using your method. Just get better police officers that never do the wrong thing. See? Problem solved.

Also, I am going back and forth about the "cop" in that video. I saw photos of the guys setting up the pallets to burn, and they looked more like Antifa, and one of them was wearing the same type of mask as the guy at autozone. It could be a cop, but it could also be Antifa. Neither would surprise me.

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(05-29-2020, 09:36 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Just watching Hannity on fox and in 2 minutes I have heard:

Fake news CNN
It's all the democrats governor's fault

It's actually unbelievable how partisan the news you lap up is.

Who is not lapping up partisan news? I NEVER watch Hannity (or Fox news, for that matter). He's obnoxious. I try to find the most unbiased news sources possible, and I still find biased news. Please show my an unbiased site so I can do less work when learning. The best thing one can do is try to understand the bias within the news consumed and be open with regards to new information.

(05-29-2020, 09:36 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Just watching Hannity on fox and in 2 minutes I have heard:

Fake news CNN
It's all the democrats governor's fault

It's actually unbelievable how partisan the news you lap up is.

Tucker is more well rounded and spends more time on relevant issues. I can't watch Hannity as much as some people on here think I worship him.

Now riots are happening other places. They all have antifa elements sparking at the same time. They are not spontaneous and are being organized. If this continues and police or national guard respond, the left will use that to take it even further. Even publicly executing the cop, who may not have caused the death, won't stop it. The virus was mostly under control, so now the left needs another story to derail Trump being reelected. No one is talking about Biden and they will keep the story off of hjm.

This is getting close to the point of no return. If antifa isn't taken care of, there won't be a way to go back.

(05-29-2020, 11:59 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Now riots are happening other places. They all have antifa elements sparking at the same time. They are not spontaneous and are being organized. If this continues and police or national guard respond, the left will use that to take it even further. Even publicly executing the cop, who may not have caused the death, won't stop it. The virus was mostly under control,  so now the left needs another story to derail Trump being reelected. No one is talking about Biden and they will keep the story off of hjm.

This is getting close to the point of no return. If antifa isn't taken care of, there won't be a way to go back.

Sustained.

I'm up late, flipping through the channels and watching the violence breaking out seemingly everywhere. Minneapolis has large uncontrolled fires burning, highways are being barricaded in Los Angeles and Atlanta is dealing with increased mayhem. There's a mob outside the White House trying to rush the grounds and hurling bricks at the uniformed Secret Service.

Clearly this isn't all about George Floyd. Whatever political leverage the left believes they can gain from this incident is quickly vanishing with the mindless violence.

(05-30-2020, 12:22 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm up late, flipping through the channels and watching the violence breaking out seemingly everywhere. Minneapolis has large uncontrolled fires burning, highways are being barricaded in Los Angeles and Atlanta is dealing with increased mayhem. There's a mob outside the White House trying to rush the grounds and hurling bricks at the uniformed Secret Service.

Clearly this isn't all about George Floyd. Whatever political leverage the left believes they can gain from this incident is quickly vanishing with the mindless violence.

Well since the Houses' second round of welfare has all but diminished, George Soros had to pull the ol' checkbook out for his proxy warriors Antifa

very normal modern society America has


https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/status/...47104?s=19

(05-30-2020, 02:51 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]very normal modern society America has


https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/status/...47104?s=19

Dude, no tik-tok videos please!

It truly is horrible what happened to George Floyd. The way that Cop killed him was terrible and perverse. He should have gotten arrested and so should the other officers who were apart of that situation. I can' t blame people for being angry about this situation, where once again another black person is being killed uneccessarily by someone in law enforcement. People are sick and tired of this type of thing happening over and over again, and things have finally really erupted. Some cops are racist and it's a big problem. And I also think that some (maybe a lot of cops in general) are often too aggressive in general in the manner that they handle things. Especially with the way they handle people who commit misdemeanors/minor crimes.

I think these may be the most violent protests, I've seen in my lifetime. There was violence in places like Ferguson, but this is all over and people are literally burning things to the ground.  Including multiple police stations and several small businesses. I can understand people's frustrations, though I do wish they would stop going after places like the businesses. People have to make a living and they have nothing to do with what happened to George and other black men who have suffered at the hands of law enforcement. Hurting the small businesses is hurting their neighbors, family members and possibly themselves as well.

Some cops in other cities aren't helping the situation either with their behavior. Arresting that journalist on national tv the other day, was a horrible look, for an already horrible situation. (Not to mention violated his first amendment right). And here is another video, where a police officer is shown shooting rubber bullets at a reporter and her news team. If they are doing this with the cameras on them to journalists, you can only imagine what they are doing off camera to other citizens.

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/126...2563954695

Stuff like this is only escalating the tensions/chaos that is going on right now. It also further agitates things that we are still in the middle of the COVID-19 Pandemic. And I think that is another reason why people are extra on edge/tense/violent right now.  People are suffering as a result of the virus, whether that is due to losing a loved one to do it, or suffering from it economically..  I think that may be another reason why people are extra frustrated/angry right now. They are dealing with the bad things due to that as well, and they also tired of being cooped up and everything is erupting over with this latest brutal killing of another black man.

I could see these protests getting worse before they get better. Cops are being outnumbered in a lot of these cities during these protests and in Minnesota, it seems like all aspects of law enforcement have disappeared. (Even the National Guard isn't really hanging around there, according to one reporter from CNN last night). But I do wonder if it would help at least ease some of the tensions, if more of the officers involved in George's death was arrested. Better leadership is also needed across the board from people like government officials. We need leaders that actually care and want to help deescalate the situation/ease racial tensions, between people and law enforcement.

(05-30-2020, 12:22 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm up late, flipping through the channels and watching the violence breaking out seemingly everywhere. Minneapolis has large uncontrolled fires burning, highways are being barricaded in Los Angeles and Atlanta is dealing with increased mayhem. There's a mob outside the White House trying to rush the grounds and hurling bricks at the uniformed Secret Service.

Clearly this isn't all about George Floyd. Whatever political leverage the left believes they can gain from this incident is quickly vanishing with the mindless violence.

Unfortunately when people don't have to get up the next day to go to work, and have been locked in their house for two months, it isn't hard to motivate them to go to the what they probably see as the big outside bonfire party.

If anyone has the time to watch the movie "Crash", I think 2005 release. Well worth your time.

In Democrat run cities, you can get arrested for opening a business but not burning one down.

(05-29-2020, 09:36 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Just watching Hannity on fox and in 2 minutes I have heard:

Fake news CNN
It's all the democrats governor's fault

It's actually unbelievable how partisan the news you lap up is.

Hannity is not news. Hannity is opinion. Editorials have been around forever, why do you struggle with this so much? It's like you are intentionally stupid about this.

To be fair, there is very little journalism these days. It's mostly partisan talking points and takes on controversial topics. I blame the media for most of this nonsense, but that's been a sticking point of mine for years.

(05-30-2020, 08:26 AM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, there is very little journalism these days. It's mostly partisan talking points and takes on controversial topics. I blame the media for most of this nonsense, but that's been a sticking point of mine for years.

Agreed, but news talk shows like Hannity, Maddow, Meet the Press, are just people with opinions not actual journalism. They are this forum with better paychecks.

(05-30-2020, 08:05 AM)Olive Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-30-2020, 12:22 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm up late, flipping through the channels and watching the violence breaking out seemingly everywhere. Minneapolis has large uncontrolled fires burning, highways are being barricaded in Los Angeles and Atlanta is dealing with increased mayhem. There's a mob outside the White House trying to rush the grounds and hurling bricks at the uniformed Secret Service.

Clearly this isn't all about George Floyd. Whatever political leverage the left believes they can gain from this incident is quickly vanishing with the mindless violence.

Unfortunately when people don't have to get up the next day to go to work, and have been locked in their house for two months, it isn't hard to motivate them to go to the what they probably see as the big outside bonfire party.

If anyone has the time to watch the movie "Crash", I think 2005 release. Well worth your time.

The trailer looks intriguing and relevant.

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(05-30-2020, 08:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2020, 09:36 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Just watching Hannity on fox and in 2 minutes I have heard:

Fake news CNN
It's all the democrats governor's fault

It's actually unbelievable how partisan the news you lap up is.

Hannity is not news. Hannity is opinion. Editorials have been around forever, why do you struggle with this so much? It's like you are intentionally stupid about this.

When one is conditioned to having opinion presented to them as news, well…

(05-29-2020, 09:03 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-29-2020, 07:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Very well said.  But to be fair, JJ keeps telling us he's black.  And I believe it.  So he should have some of this lived experience, but he never talks about it.

I've talked about it before, but I'll bring it up again.  

I'm not a big fan of police.  It's not because I think there is a universal racial bias.  It's because I know that the state is a poor check on it's own powers.  Police officers are the most dangerous form of state authority that 99.999999% of citizens will ever see.  For a Judge to Impose a death penalty it will take a trial and 20 some odd years of appeals, verdicts etc.  A police officer can kill based on reasonable threat of life or great bodily injury.  Police officers are always going to be given the benefit of the doubt by prosecutors and judges.  That's just the way it is.  That's why I think that their role in society should be limited to protecting the property rights of citizens.  

As for my personal experience I was falsely arrested, falsely charged with a Felony, and essentially robbed by two police officers who didn't look like me.  The level of misconduct would make Sydney Powell blush.  They were literally conspiring to charge me with theft because I had the title to a car I had just purchased in my pocket.  Think about that.  They wanted to charge me with theft because I had proof of ownership!  Luckily that charge was not approved by prosecutors.  Instead they tried to charge me with a third degree felony because they alleged that I scraped the vin off of a piece of equipment that never had one in the first place.  Luckily I had the money for a lawyer and had the case thrown out.  Most people who didn't have a lawyer would have been forced into copping a plea like 90% plus of the criminal cases in this country.  I am no fan of the criminal justice system or the state exercising this level of power.  I just recognize that the problem is actually BIGGER than one or two cops prejudice cops.  

I was also injured during my Arrest.  When they put the cuffs on me they crushed my nerve in my right wrist and I still have a deformation because of it.  But during that experience I learned something that stuck with me.  At the time, i had a hole in my back pocket and when they lugged me out of the car, my wallet fell out of my back pocket and to the ground.  I asked the arresting officer to pick it up and put it in my pocket.  He did.  when he knelt down he put his forearm on my knee.  Why?  Because most of the time when someone asks for them to pick something up they plan on kicking them in the teeth or something to that affect.  They crushed my wrist with their handcuffs because I'm 6' 300lbs and they knew if i wanted to hurt them that I could.  Now I'm biased!  My first few semesters of College I thought I wanted to be a criminal defense attorney and took a couple courses in criminal justice.  In that environment I was exposed to the thought process that permeates in law enforcement that in reality ANYONE can be a threat.  

So in summation, I am black.  I have had a very negative experience with police officer.  I have no illusions that just because you have a badge on makes you a saint, but at the same time i can empathize with the stresses and realities of doing that job.  I can also understand how those stressors added to a life or death situation can cause tragedy.

I really appreciate you sharing that experience.
In real life, none of my friends have ever shared an experience like that. But the few black friends I have are more likely to say, "yeah something happened with a cop but I don't want to talk about it" than my white friends are.
I totally agree that cops need to be more accountable and that we need to reform the way prosecution works in most states and counties, 
I just think it's foolish to deny that black people are disproportionately the victims of the crappy system we have.

I've been pulled over for DWC on three different occasions. Two of those times my car was searched against my will. One of those times was with a dog. The third time I wasn't hassled because I had my business card with my office address on it with me.

We should burn down Jacksonville over this racist behavior from our law enforcement. Who is with me?