(08-05-2020, 07:43 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone else find it odd that the two officers that had only been on the job for a week were assigned together or did I mis-read the article?
It's not really odd to me, though it's all about perspective and what the wording is. I doubt that they were "assigned together". I don't know if this is the case or not, but consider this scenario.
A couple (or perhaps a group) of rookies finished their training as far as riding along with their training officer(s). They get assigned to their own patrol car on their own. The two "new guys" happen to be in the area and "free" when what is perceived as a "routine" call comes in. Dispatchers don't consider the experience level when assigning calls. An officer assigned to his or her own patrol car is "just another unit".
To kind of give an analogy consider pilots. At some point a pilot is able to fly an aircraft on his or her own without an instructor. The pilot is certified and able to fly on his or her own, but doesn't have the
experience to handle a stressful situation. The pilot is still a pilot much like the police officer is still a police officer (not a trainee).
I kind of suspect that this might have been the case since when Mr. Floyd was taken into custody he wasn't taken to the nearest patrol vehicle. Usually whichever officer is the first to respond is the "primary" officer on-scene, therefor they probably took him to the initial responding officer's vehicle.
(08-06-2020, 05:04 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2020, 12:17 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I just cannot imagine any police department assigning two rookies to the same patrol. You are just begging for trouble.
It happens all the time. It's my understanding that one was actively with his training officer, and the other one had already been trained and was within his first few weeks alone. They may not have been patrolling the same area, either. They could have responded to a request for assistance and come from another area whereby they never would have been working together otherwise.
Correct me if I am wrong but in reading the transcript they were assigned together and were first on the scene. In my profession we so not turn the keys over to someone fresh out of school. Call me naïve' but I really cannot see where two guys fresh out of academy would not be under some type of supervision the first week on the job.
(08-06-2020, 03:44 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Burn some sage, that ought a do it...lol. What a [BLEEP] hole
Really? A legitimate question is asked. Presumed civil discourse, typical Q and A should ensue but no. I am an [BLEEP] for questioning a policy or misunderstanding of a policy (which was clearly spelled out). That mentality is what is wrong with our current political environment.
(08-06-2020, 06:20 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2020, 07:43 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone else find it odd that the two officers that had only been on the job for a week were assigned together or did I mis-read the article?
It's not really odd to me, though it's all about perspective and what the wording is. I doubt that they were "assigned together". I don't know if this is the case or not, but consider this scenario.
A couple (or perhaps a group) of rookies finished their training as far as riding along with their training officer(s). They get assigned to their own patrol car on their own. The two "new guys" happen to be in the area and "free" when what is perceived as a "routine" call comes in. Dispatchers don't consider the experience level when assigning calls. An officer assigned to his or her own patrol car is "just another unit".
To kind of give an analogy consider pilots. At some point a pilot is able to fly an aircraft on his or her own without an instructor. The pilot is certified and able to fly on his or her own, but doesn't have the experience to handle a stressful situation. The pilot is still a pilot much like the police officer is still a police officer (not a trainee).
I kind of suspect that this might have been the case since when Mr. Floyd was taken into custody he wasn't taken to the nearest patrol vehicle. Usually whichever officer is the first to respond is the "primary" officer on-scene, therefor they probably took him to the initial responding officer's vehicle.
That makes sense. Perhaps the original report of them being 4 and 5 days on the job is what is not quite clear.
Can someone post the 2019 George Floyd arrest video? Looks like it is being entered into evidence. It shows resisting, erratic behavior, and dope swallowing. Chauvin will beat the charge
(10-29-2020, 02:09 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone post the 2019 George Floyd arrest video? Looks like it is being entered into evidence. It shows resisting, erratic behavior, and dope swallowing. Chauvin will beat the charge
Chauvin didn’t render or summon aid when Floyd was clearly in distress. He may not have applied the mechanism to kill Floyd, but his willful failure to properly react just as surely caused Floyd to die.
(10-29-2020, 02:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2020, 02:09 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone post the 2019 George Floyd arrest video? Looks like it is being entered into evidence. It shows resisting, erratic behavior, and dope swallowing. Chauvin will beat the charge
Chauvin didn’t render or summon aid when Floyd was clearly in distress. He may not have applied the mechanism to kill Floyd, but his willful failure to properly react just as surely caused Floyd to die.
The problem lies in that they over charged the officer. This is direct evidence that he likes to swallow the evidence. Coupled with the fact that he had a lethal dose of fetynal in his system, it seems like a slam dunk to me.
(10-29-2020, 02:30 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2020, 02:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Chauvin didn’t render or summon aid when Floyd was clearly in distress. He may not have applied the mechanism to kill Floyd, but his willful failure to properly react just as surely caused Floyd to die.
The problem lies in that they over charged the officer. This is direct evidence that he likes to swallow the evidence. Coupled with the fact that he had a lethal dose of fetynal in his system, it seems like a slam dunk to me.
Overcharging doesn't seem to work the same in MN as compared to FL. In FL there usually aren't lesser included charges under 1st degree murder. But her in MN they have a manslaughter charge on his indictment as well. That will probably stick, 2nd degree murder may or may not.
(10-29-2020, 02:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2020, 02:09 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone post the 2019 George Floyd arrest video? Looks like it is being entered into evidence. It shows resisting, erratic behavior, and dope swallowing. Chauvin will beat the charge
Chauvin didn’t render or summon aid when Floyd was clearly in distress. He may not have applied the mechanism to kill Floyd, but his willful failure to properly react just as surely caused Floyd to die.
Yeah, but what can get him off is the murder charge they're trying to prosecute him on. I don't think the murder charge will stick. I agree He should be charged and do time for his negligence, I just think the D.A. is outkicking his coverage with a politically motivated murder charge. A simple aggravated manslaughter charge would probably be a open and shut case. Some jurors might be hesitant to convict on murder though. Especially if the defense's drug ingestion evidence is strong. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, all the defense has to do is present reasonable doubt and get one juror to agree with them.
(10-29-2020, 02:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2020, 02:30 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]The problem lies in that they over charged the officer. This is direct evidence that he likes to swallow the evidence. Coupled with the fact that he had a lethal dose of fetynal in his system, it seems like a slam dunk to me.
Overcharging doesn't seem to work the same in MN as compared to FL.
Nothing sticks in Florida. Just ask Casey Anthony and George Zimmerman
That's a truly life changing amount of money for his family.
And they'll probably get most of it too
But it's minneapolis tax payers paying for that. It's not really solving the bigger issue. Chauvin needs to be behind bars along with the other three officers who could've at least discouraged Chauvin but who did nothing. Wait and see.
(03-12-2021, 11:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's a truly life changing amount of money for his family.
And they'll probably get most of it too
But it's minneapolis tax payers paying for that. It's not really solving the bigger issue. Chauvin needs to be behind bars along with the other three officers who could've at least discouraged Chauvin but who did nothing. Wait and see.
That 27M was a payment to try to lighten what is coming on the streets when Chauvin is not guilty, which he is if you look at all available evidence CNN didn't show you.
Don't think I have ever said this before, but you are right on one thing. Tax payers got [BLEEP].
(03-13-2021, 09:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2021, 11:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's a truly life changing amount of money for his family.
And they'll probably get most of it too
But it's minneapolis tax payers paying for that. It's not really solving the bigger issue. Chauvin needs to be behind bars along with the other three officers who could've at least discouraged Chauvin but who did nothing. Wait and see.
That 27M was a payment to try to lighten what is coming on the streets when Chauvin is not guilty, which he is if you look at all available evidence CNN didn't show you.
Don't think I have ever said this before, but you are right on one thing. Tax payers got [BLEEP].
At a minimum Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter because he did nothing to render aid to a clearly distressed Floyd.
(10-29-2020, 05:16 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2020, 02:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Overcharging doesn't seem to work the same in MN as compared to FL.
Nothing sticks in Florida. Just ask Casey Anthony and George Zimmerman
Anthony went to jail, Zimmerman was innocent.
(03-13-2021, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2021, 09:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]That 27M was a payment to try to lighten what is coming on the streets when Chauvin is not guilty, which he is if you look at all available evidence CNN didn't show you.
Don't think I have ever said this before, but you are right on one thing. Tax payers got [BLEEP].
At a minimum Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter because he did nothing to render aid to a clearly distressed Floyd.
A preponderance of the entire video showed that Chauvin acted appropriately in dealing with a deranged and violent individual.
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(03-13-2021, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]At a minimum Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter because he did nothing to render aid to a clearly distressed Floyd.
A preponderance of the entire video showed that
Chauvin acted appropriately in dealing with a deranged and violent individual.
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No. Floyd was in cuffs.
This thread was locked earlier. What happened?
(03-13-2021, 10:38 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This thread was locked earlier. What happened?
I could tell you, but then I’d have to kill you...so it’s just better not to ask!
