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(05-31-2020, 02:05 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 01:52 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Will allow the use of federal resources to go after the terrorist and maybe make Jimmy, who resides in his mom's basement think twice before brutalizing society.

white Christians in America have committed much worse domestic terrorism than antifa, maybe they should be dealt with first

David Koresh says hello.

(05-31-2020, 07:23 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s an 8 PM curfew throughout Duval. Time for these punks to stop their [BLEEP] holery because it’s eroding my freedoms now.

You don't strike me as someone who does much after 8pm? So no big deal. You can cuddle up to fox news as usual and blame everyone else

(05-31-2020, 07:23 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s an 8 PM curfew throughout Duval. Time for these punks to stop their [BLEEP] holery because it’s eroding my freedoms now.

Criminals always find a way to abuse the law abiding.

Hey all. Been a hell of a weekend for you guys. I dont know what to say really, weve been here many times before and seeing the damage by protestors and heavy handed response by some police is a vicious cycle thats only going to get worse.

I hope you all are safe, theres enough to worry about in the world as it is.

I also hope all my fellow Jag fans stay safe and don't get too caught up in divisive issues. The way forward is together.

(05-31-2020, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 06:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I going to stop right there. African-Americans are not a homogeneous group, and no one gets to speak for all of them. If some white [BLEEP] thought he got to speak for me I'd tell him to [BLEEP] right off. The idea that all black people are or should be the same is ridiculous. There is no "black leader" because there is not united black group. While some hustlers might make that claim, that claim is nothing more that hot air.

Bullseye is only saying that Last42 does not get to pick who Bullseye should vote for or financially support, in terms of politicians or clergy.

If you met a Norwegian guy at the bar and started talking politics with him, would you take very kindly to him saying, "you guys should have voted for goldwater instead" or "you guys should have voted for Humphrey instead"? 
You wouldn't.
Because regardless of party affiliation, as a Norwegian, that is not his choice to make. Also, in all likelihood, you were not alive then, and in any case it was 50 years ago. So don't go spouting off about "Y'all would be better off if y'all had let Malcolm live."

Actually, both of you are right, and it's my fault for not expressing myself more effectively.

Blacks are NOT a monolith and I said as much in an earlier post.  Furthermore we have no "black leader elections."  There are those who evolve to have a voice that reaches more people in one way or another.  As I have stated in various ways, conservatives try to stifle our voices when they don't readily capitulate to racism and promote those who do (Sowell, Armstrong Williams, jj).

However, to whatever degree there are "black leaders" or "black spokesmen," our representatives are our choice.  Like any other marketplace of ideas, if an African American voices an opinion on a given topic, we will accept or reject his message accordingly, which is why the overwhelming majority of African Americans reject, the Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell's of the world.

Furthermore, while last 42's post tries, in some way for constructive dialogue, it's still largely silent on how African Americans are supposed to acceptably voice dissent.

  He talks about new leadership, rejecting gangs and the welfare state, but says nothing about voicing dissent against racism.

How much have you studied other minority groups in the US, Bullseye?

(06-01-2020, 10:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye is only saying that Last42 does not get to pick who Bullseye should vote for or financially support, in terms of politicians or clergy.

If you met a Norwegian guy at the bar and started talking politics with him, would you take very kindly to him saying, "you guys should have voted for goldwater instead" or "you guys should have voted for Humphrey instead"? 
You wouldn't.
Because regardless of party affiliation, as a Norwegian, that is not his choice to make. Also, in all likelihood, you were not alive then, and in any case it was 50 years ago. So don't go spouting off about "Y'all would be better off if y'all had let Malcolm live."

Actually, both of you are right, and it's my fault for not expressing myself more effectively.

Blacks are NOT a monolith and I said as much in an earlier post.  Furthermore we have no "black leader elections."  There are those who evolve to have a voice that reaches more people  in one way or another.  As I have stated in various ways, conservatives try to stifle our voices when they don't readily capitulate to racism and promote those who do (Sowell, Armstrong Williams, jj).

However, to whatever degree there are "black leaders" or "black spokesmen," our representatives are our choice.  Like any other marketplace of ideas, if an African American voices an opinion on a given topic, we will accept or reject his message accordingly, which is why the overwhelming majority of African Americans reject, the Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell's of the world.

Furthermore, while last 42's post tries, in some way for constructive dialogue, it's still largely silent on how African Americans are supposed to acceptably voice dissent.

  He talks about new leadership, rejecting gangs and the welfare state, but says nothing about voicing dissent against racism.

Saturday in downtown Jacksonville there were peaceful rallies protesting the injustices.  No one had an issue with that.  People of all races were there shoulder to shoulder.  The JSO stood down and did not intervene.  The unity that was coming out of George Floyds tragic death was all lost when the sun went down.

(06-01-2020, 10:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye is only saying that Last42 does not get to pick who Bullseye should vote for or financially support, in terms of politicians or clergy.

If you met a Norwegian guy at the bar and started talking politics with him, would you take very kindly to him saying, "you guys should have voted for goldwater instead" or "you guys should have voted for Humphrey instead"? 
You wouldn't.
Because regardless of party affiliation, as a Norwegian, that is not his choice to make. Also, in all likelihood, you were not alive then, and in any case it was 50 years ago. So don't go spouting off about "Y'all would be better off if y'all had let Malcolm live."

Furthermore, while last 42's post tries, in some way for constructive dialogue, it's still largely silent on how African Americans are supposed to acceptably voice dissent.

  He talks about new leadership, rejecting gangs and the welfare state, but says nothing about voicing dissent against racism.

Peaceful protests directed at the actual violators (in this case MPD and Minneapolis City Hall) seems to me to be the right approach. Are you justifying the use of violence because ____ ?

As far as Kaepernick is concerned, he expressed hatred for the whole United States of America rather than blame those responsible, and not just during the National Anthem but in lauding Castro's Cuba as being better than the US. He has the right to protest peacefully, but that doesn't protect him from the observation that he's a despicable idiot.

(06-01-2020, 10:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye is only saying that Last42 does not get to pick who Bullseye should vote for or financially support, in terms of politicians or clergy.

If you met a Norwegian guy at the bar and started talking politics with him, would you take very kindly to him saying, "you guys should have voted for goldwater instead" or "you guys should have voted for Humphrey instead"? 
You wouldn't.
Because regardless of party affiliation, as a Norwegian, that is not his choice to make. Also, in all likelihood, you were not alive then, and in any case it was 50 years ago. So don't go spouting off about "Y'all would be better off if y'all had let Malcolm live."

Actually, both of you are right, and it's my fault for not expressing myself more effectively.

Blacks are NOT a monolith and I said as much in an earlier post.  Furthermore we have no "black leader elections."  There are those who evolve to have a voice that reaches more people  in one way or another.  As I have stated in various ways, conservatives try to stifle our voices when they don't readily capitulate to racism and promote those who do (Sowell, Armstrong Williams, jj).

However, to whatever degree there are "black leaders" or "black spokesmen," our representatives are our choice.  Like any other marketplace of ideas, if an African American voices an opinion on a given topic, we will accept or reject his message accordingly, which is why the overwhelming majority of African Americans reject, the Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell's of the world.

Furthermore, while last 42's post tries, in some way for constructive dialogue, it's still largely silent on how African Americans are supposed to acceptably voice dissent.

  He talks about new leadership, rejecting gangs and the welfare state, but says nothing about voicing dissent against racism.

Wait a minute...  I just got put in the same sentence as Thomas Sowell.  This must be my birthday.

(06-01-2020, 10:54 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-01-2020, 10:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Furthermore, while last 42's post tries, in some way for constructive dialogue, it's still largely silent on how African Americans are supposed to acceptably voice dissent.

  He talks about new leadership, rejecting gangs and the welfare state, but says nothing about voicing dissent against racism.

Peaceful protests directed at the actual violators (in this case MPD and Minneapolis City Hall) seems to me to be the right approach. Are you justifying the use of violence because ____ ?

As far as Kaepernick is concerned, he expressed hatred for the whole United States of America rather than blame those responsible, and not just during the National Anthem but in lauding Castro's Cuba as being better than the US. He has the right to protest peacefully, but that doesn't protect him from the observation that he's a despicable idiot.

I'll mention it again, Collin Kaepernick posted a tweet calling for revolution.  There is an entire wing of celebrities egging this garbage on.  



Here you have Charlamagne the God on ESPN talking about how this is America's Karma for 400 years of slavery, this that and the other.  Again, this is the problem with Social Justice.  There is no button that we can press to eliminate past grievance.  There can be no resolution or common citizenship if your only position is "because slavery happened X"  That's not how the world works.

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(06-01-2020, 10:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye is only saying that Last42 does not get to pick who Bullseye should vote for or financially support, in terms of politicians or clergy.

If you met a Norwegian guy at the bar and started talking politics with him, would you take very kindly to him saying, "you guys should have voted for goldwater instead" or "you guys should have voted for Humphrey instead"? 
You wouldn't.
Because regardless of party affiliation, as a Norwegian, that is not his choice to make. Also, in all likelihood, you were not alive then, and in any case it was 50 years ago. So don't go spouting off about "Y'all would be better off if y'all had let Malcolm live."

Blacks are NOT a monolith and I said as much in an earlier post.  Furthermore we have no "black leader elections."  There are those who evolve to have a voice that reaches more people  in one way or another.  As I have stated in various ways, conservatives try to stifle our voices when they don't readily capitulate to racism and promote those who do (Sowell, Armstrong Williams, jj).

However, to whatever degree there are "black leaders" or "black spokesmen," our representatives are our choice.  Like any other marketplace of ideas, if an African American voices an opinion on a given topic, we will accept or reject his message accordingly, which is why the overwhelming majority of African Americans reject, the Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell's of the world.

And how has the last 60 years of full fledged near monolithic support of the secular progressive left worked out for Black America?  

As for me and evil CONSERVATIVES trying to stifle your voice, nah.  In reality your just too afraid of someone whose educated on the issues who you can't bully with your identity politics because he looks like you.  Don't blame other people when you get called out on the fact you don't have an ideology, you just have hurt feelings!  When you're not too much of a coward to admit your own lack of an ideology, then we can have a productive conversation.  Until said time, put some respect on my name kid.

Unsurprisingly, independent autopsy determined Floyd's death due to asphyxia. Theories as to why M.E. report contradicts?

Because the Governor didn't like the first report?

(06-01-2020, 04:24 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Unsurprisingly, independent autopsy determined Floyd's death due to asphyxia. Theories as to why M.E. report contradicts?

(06-01-2020, 04:40 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Because the Governor didn't like the first report?

If you read the article and what the "independent" examiner said, it was clear they would reach that opinion. They always disagree as prosecutors and defense both have their opinions. That is the problem with facts and interpretation. They should list the facts and not give opinions.

(05-31-2020, 03:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-31-2020, 02:57 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ]Not trying to get in the middle of this, Bullseye, but do you know of people of any color that isn’t pissed to the max over the George Floyd murder? Every person I know are horrified by the actions of the officers that killed him, and most like myself believe all four officers should be facing way more charges than just the current charges against just one.  I don’t think black or white people are divided on this murder. We agree, and also the vast majority also believe police forces in general do have officers that are racist, not all officers … but we do need more effort to identify and remove those officers.

Join the fray if you are so inclined.

Even though you are a Colts fan, you have been a long respected contributor to this board.  This forum is open to all members.

Do I know of people not pissed to the max over Floyd?  Yes.

I will say this case is a bit different in that there is seemingly universal disgust at this particular murder.

But this is the exception, not the rule.  In most cases, there is a concerted effort to assail the character of black victims of police brutality or anti black vigilantism.

Trayvon Martin smoiked pot.

Arbery had a prior interaction with police years ago.

Botham Jean had pot in his apartment.  Why didn't he comply (in his own house?!?)?

None of these things had anything to do with the relevant facts of those cases.

While revulsion at the Floyd murder is welcome, iindifference towards or support of the prior murders has long been a harm.

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I do like to read the Politics portion, I’m not tied into it if I stick to just the occasional reading. I noticed it can be pretty vicious in this section of the Jags board, but also interesting ... I like it.

It is disturbing, or maybe disgusting may be a better term that anyone wouldn’t be upset over the murder of George Floyd. I believe it is probably the first time this many people witnessed a murder in progress. A slow nearly nine minute long murder. You know if anyone would have tried to intervene physically to save his life, they more than likely would have been another victim of police brutality. In hindsight, I think people would risk that ... Black or White.

I do agree with you that this is somewhat of an exception to the rule, but I believe it is the exception because a murder is witnessed by the world in slow motion.

I believe character assassination is a standard practice of all police brutality cases, not just against the black community. If any of those cases you cite were white, would anyone pay attention? The black community does have a louder voice in many of these cases, it may not seem that way to you, and I understand that … It’s okay. If George were white, would you care as much? Would anybody? I’m not sure, because it is a hypothetical question of an offense never witnessed by so many before. Only Alan Kurdi comes to mind near this level of attention, pain, and outrage.

Having lived the last thirty plus years in two homes that were/are both located in mixed neighborhoods, I have witnessed police treat all races pretty much equally (poorly). In both homes the neighbors to my left were black, and the neighbors to my right white. We are good neighbors, last week I spent hours helping my black neighbor cut up the damaged trees that were downed on their property after a storm. We stay in contact with our previous neighbors, and my oldest sons childhood friend (black girl) from a poor neighborhood (we were poor, too) is a somewhat renowned doctor. Her mom was a prostitute that came and went (Grandma was raising her four children). We are extremely proud of her. I have many stories of our great friendship(s), but another time maybe.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to get so far off track, but to get back to the subject. How you feel is how you feel, people can’t simply un-feel how they feel, so no one can change that, or should even try to change that. I myself have felt threatened by some officers, and I don’t think it is me, I think if you don’t do the “yes sir” “no sir” and act like certain officers are above you as some form of high and mighty authority figure they are going to push their authority to the limit. As Cartman would say “You will respect my authoritie”

I have feelings as well. When someone uses the phrase “white people” I do also feel racially profiled. I have heard that phrase so much lately, and I will admit … It hurts me. I am human as well, I’m not a white people. I'm me, and you are you, and I do appreciate you in case I have never said so.

interesting!

https://twitter.com/webster/status/1267575768801918976

(06-01-2020, 05:14 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-01-2020, 04:24 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Unsurprisingly, independent autopsy determined Floyd's death due to asphyxia. Theories as to why M.E. report contradicts?

(06-01-2020, 04:40 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Because the Governor didn't like the first report?

If you read the article and what the "independent" examiner said, it was clear they would reach that opinion. They always disagree as prosecutors and defense both have their opinions. That is the problem with facts and interpretation. They should list the facts and not give opinions.

I thought it was pretty clear seeing him choke to death via knee, but that's me.

Trump sending the military in?

Is this the tyrannical government I've been hearing about for years?

(06-01-2020, 07:10 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Trump sending the military in?

Is this the tyrannical government I've been hearing about for years?

This is in the scenario the governors and mayors who took an oath to keep their states and cities safe don't do their job.

It's an American thing.

(06-01-2020, 06:51 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-01-2020, 05:14 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]If you read the article and what the "independent" examiner said, it was clear they would reach that opinion. They always disagree as prosecutors and defense both have their opinions. That is the problem with facts and interpretation. They should list the facts and not give opinions.

I thought it was pretty clear seeing him choke to death via knee, but that's me.

Was he choking, gasping for air, etc? I have no doubt it contributed to his death, but was it the cause of death? The facts aren't conclusive on that. It is the difference between murder and manslaughter.