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Quote:I created that thread because it seemed like nobody else understood a one-win team is as much of a contender as a no-win team.

um, no. a no win team has the inside track vs a 1 win team. thats simple math. i understand you struggle with simple things like math, counting, or even reading comprehension, but try to sit down and put that 88 IQ to work.

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The fact that they have NOT been using Revis in man coverage to this point just shows you either how BAD Schiano is as a coach, or how blatantly the Bucs are tanking. 

I don't know.  Sometimes even good coaches on teams that aren't tanking do strange things with personnel.

 

Coughlin signed Bryce Paup in free agency.

 

Paup was a pass rushing OLB who Coughlin and Jauron inexplicably used as a coverage LB and very little in blitzing.

 

Andy Reid was a pretty good coach and signed Nnamdi Asomugha (sp)-a man CB, and played him in zone.

 

Sciano may well be a bad coach.  The Bucs may well be tanking.

 

But sometimes coaches do weird things with personnel.

 

That said, this seems to be a move in the right direction for Schiano, and hopefully it'll lead to some Bucs wins really soon.

Quote:Chad Henne is obviously better than Blaine Gabbert, which is not saying much. On the current quarterback rankings list, Henne is 31 and Gabbert is 34.

what does that have to do with what i just said?

Quote:Um, no. a no win team has the inside track vs a 1 win team. thats simple math. i understand you struggle with simple things like math, counting, or even reading comprehension, but try to sit down and put that 88 IQ to work.

 

Tampa Bay has the inside track now, but we are only at the halfway point. The Buccaneers can win a few games and finish with more wins than Minnesota. That is why we need to worry about the only team with one win.

 

My IQ is over 100.

Quote:Tampa Bay has the inside track now, but we are only at the halfway point. The Buccaneers can win a few games and finish with more wins than Minnesota. That is why we need to worry about the only team with one win.

 

My IQ is over 100.

I think we need to worry about the team with no wins before the team with one win.  Minnesota does have a tough schedule, but they're averaging 23 ppg.  They'll pick up another win or two.

Quote:I don't know.  Sometimes even good coaches on teams that aren't tanking do strange things with personnel.

 

Coughlin signed Bryce Paup in free agency.

 

Paup was a pass rushing OLB who Coughlin and Jauron inexplicably used as a coverage LB and very little in blitzing.

 

Andy Reid was a pretty good coach and signed Nnamdi Asomugha (sp)-a man CB, and played him in zone.

 

Sciano may well be a bad coach.  The Bucs may well be tanking.

 

But sometimes coaches do weird things with personnel.

 

That said, this seems to be a move in the right direction for Schiano, and hopefully it'll lead to some Bucs wins really soon.

If I remember correctly coughlin ran a zone blitz scheme.  In this scheme the defensive end goes out in coverage and 1 or two lb's blitz his gap.  Paup just was not a good player any more.

Quote:If I remember correctly coughlin ran a zone blitz scheme.  In this scheme the defensive end goes out in coverage and 1 or two lb's blitz his gap.  Paup just was not a good player any more.

Not really true - he was misused in the scheme.  He came out and complained several times about it as well. 

 

Good coaches modify the scheme to fit the players and maximize the talent.

Quote:I think we need to worry about the team with no wins before the team with one win.  Minnesota does have a tough schedule, but they're averaging 23 ppg.  They'll pick up another win or two.

 

The only game Minnesota has a realistic chance of winning is home against the Redskins. They are literally a fumble away from being winless.

Quote:um, no. a no win team has the inside track vs a 1 win team. thats simple math. i understand you struggle with simple things like math, counting, or even reading comprehension, but try to sit down and put that 88 IQ to work.

 

Wow - you passed the test. You are a jerk.

Was thinking about this, what if Vikings or Tampa was sitting at 2 and wanted Bridgewater.  We trade back to 2 for their 2nd and take Clowney.  With one of our 2nd's and 3rd round pick trade back in the first and take Nix and with our other 2nd take McCarron.

 

Gives us our pass rusherr, a beast at NT, and QB

 

Clowney and Nix 

If we are sitting at #1, why trade down and let Tampa Bay or Minnesota pick Teddy Bridgewater?

 

I have a feeling this will be like 1970, when Terry Bradshaw was literally a coin toss away from being a Bear because both Chicago and Pittsburgh were 1-15 in 1969.

Quote:If we are sitting at #1, why trade down and let Tampa Bay or Minnesota pick Teddy Bridgewater?

 

I have a feeling this will be like 1970, when Terry Bradshaw was literally a coin toss away from being a Bear because both Chicago and Pittsburgh were 1-15 in 1969.

If we were sitting at 1,  I would probably go with Teddy unless there was a trade offer I couldnt pass up. 

 

I was just thinking a Nix and Clowney dline would be nasty

Quote:How can anyone say that Gus Bradley is a "good" coach right now??? I mean seriously??? I mean - you may have an argument against calling him a "bad" coach because he's not been here long enough, but what has he done to earn the above praise?? :wacko:

 

I'm with you on this one.  But I'm not one who even cares to evaluate a coach very much, nor do I care what they say at press conferences or really ever.  Right now, he's not a very good coach.  He's basically taken very little, and produced very little out of it.  But that's fine.  I'm just riding on the fact that many great coaches had bad years.  And this is his 1st nonetheless.

 

Don't have much praise for Gus Bradley whatsoever (other than the fact that he hasn't attempted to ban touchdown celebrations yet :thumbsup: ), but also have no reason to believe this isn't the guy for the future.

Quote:If we were sitting at 1,  I would probably go with Teddy unless there was a trade offer I couldnt pass up. 

 

I was just thinking a Nix and Clowney dline would be nasty

 

I thought Clowney would be a great pick until I read he publicly admitted being a slacker in practice last year.

Quote:If I remember correctly coughlin ran a zone blitz scheme.  In this scheme the defensive end goes out in coverage and 1 or two lb's blitz his gap.  Paup just was not a good player any more.

The zone blitz wasn't implemented until Capers got there in 1999.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...apeDo0.htm

 

Paup was signed in 1998 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...upBr00.htm and played his first season in Jacksonville under Jauron.

 

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...aurDi0.htm

 

Furthermore, even under Capers, they dropped him into coverage.

Quote:The zone blitz wasn't implemented until Capers got there in 1999.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...apeDo0.htm

 

Paup was signed in 1998 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...upBr00.htm and played his first season in Jacksonville under Jauron.

 

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...aurDi0.htm

 

Furthermore, even under Capers, they dropped him into coverage.

 

I never really understood what a zone bliltz is. What I do know is we called it the Domsday Defense and many board members heavily criticized the prevent defense when we used that scheme.

Quote:I never really understood what a zone bliltz is. What I do know is we called it the Domsday Defense and many board members heavily criticized the prevent defense when we used that scheme.

Zone Blitz is where you are blitzing the QB and the people sitting back are just covering a certain area instead of covering a certain player. It could be a safety zone blitz and the Dlineman drops back to cover the middle of the field while the MLB goes to cover the deep out.

Quote:I don't know.  Sometimes even good coaches on teams that aren't tanking do strange things with personnel.

 

Coughlin signed Bryce Paup in free agency.

 

Paup was a pass rushing OLB who Coughlin and Jauron inexplicably used as a coverage LB and very little in blitzing.

 

Andy Reid was a pretty good coach and signed Nnamdi Asomugha (sp)-a man CB, and played him in zone.

 

Sciano may well be a bad coach.  The Bucs may well be tanking.

 

But sometimes coaches do weird things with personnel.

 

That said, this seems to be a move in the right direction for Schiano, and hopefully it'll lead to some Bucs wins really soon.

 

 

Good post Bullseye, I remember being so frustrated at the usage of Bryce when we acquired him. It was like forcing a square peg into a round hole. Coughlin was such a good coach that I never understood why he mismanaged that particular piece of personnel so bad. 

 

We all saw that Paup is/ was better suited for a 3-4 pass rushing OLB at that time. 

 

Things that make you go hmmmm. 

Quote:Good post Bullseye, I remember being so frustrated at the usage of Bryce when we acquired him. It was like forcing a square peg into a round hole. Coughlin was such a good coach that I never understood why he mismanaged that particular piece of personnel so bad. 

 

We all saw that Paup is/ was better suited for a 3-4 pass rushing OLB at that time. 

 

Things that make you go hmmmm. 

Thanks, TMD. 

 

I shared your frustration with that.

 

I didn't have much hope that Jauron would ever use him properly as the season wore on, but when we got Capers, I thought this was when we'd have the pass rusher opposite Brackens and Paup would be utilized more closely to his full potential/strengths.   But even with Capers' vastly superior scheme (in comparison to Jauron), Paup was still dropped a lot in coverage.  Given the way we used Bryce Paup, we'd have been better served not signing him and keeping Eddie Robinson.

Quote:Thanks, TMD. 

 

I shared your frustration with that.

 

I didn't have much hope that Jauron would ever use him properly as the season wore on, but when we got Capers, I thought this was when we'd have the pass rusher opposite Brackens and Paup would be utilized more closely to his full potential/strengths.   But even with Capers' vastly superior scheme (in comparison to Jauron), Paup was still dropped a lot in coverage.  Given the way we used Bryce Paup, we'd have been better served not signing him and keeping Eddie Robinson.

 

Yeah and then Eddie Robinson went on to terrorize us as an Oiler/Titan.