Quote:Guess I dont have the same tunnel vision he has. As I said, I do like Bridgewater but theres a couple other qb's in this draft that may work just as well
There may very well be. The problem is picking them out. Picking the Russell Wilson over the Brandon Weedon. I'd be all for taking Bridgewater and another QB in the 3rd or 4th. Like the Washington Redskins did when they took RGIII.
-If they both work out, one can be trade bait, or at the very least backup.
-If just one works out, you stick with the one that does.
-If neither works out, that sucks. But you still have a better chance.
Quote:Well, those are your words not mine - I'm not sure he'll have 60,000 yards in the NFL like Peyton (even Peyton never would have had that without having the great weapons he had for much of his career and coaches willing to let him sling the rock) , but his command of the position/ game deserves him to be mentioned with the THREE QB prospects I mentioned as a comparison. He's clearly a top level QB prospect and you are on DRUGS if you think Teddy Bridgewater will be available outside the TOP pick, let alone outside the top 2....and this is with a DE prospect in the SAME draft that many consider amongst the best DE prospects in a decade or 2.
The only way Teddy doesn't go 1 right now is if he suffers some sort of significant injury between now and the draft.
Well, you're not the only one around here that thinks that much about Bridgewater. A lot of time between now and the draft, so maybe I'll come around to your way of thinking.
But not right now. He isn't even getting the love Sam Bradford did on a national scale. Things stay status quo, and he'll be available at #2.
And I may be on DRUGS and all, but when was the last time you wanted a winning season out of the Jags? In 2010, you wanted us to lose so Del Rio would be fired. In 2011, you wanted us to lose so that Del Rio would be fired AND so we could secure the first pick in the draft. In 2012, you wanted us to lose so Mularkey AND Gene Smith would be fired, and dreaded every chance we had to win a game - just in case. Now you want us to lose to secure a QB that is not considered the greatest prospect of a generation, and not even the best of the last 2 years.
When will you ever root for this team to win? Next year? Somehow, I doubt it.
It's a weird way to be a fan.
Quote:Well, you're not the only one around here that thinks that much about Bridgewater. A lot of time between now and the draft, so maybe I'll come around to your way of thinking.
But not right now. He isn't even getting the love Sam Bradford did on a national scale. Things stay status quo, and he'll be available at #2.
And I may be on DRUGS and all, but when was the last time you wanted a winning season out of the Jags? In 2010, you wanted us to lose so Del Rio would be fired. In 2011, you wanted us to lose so that Del Rio would be fired AND so we could secure the first pick in the draft. In 2012, you wanted us to lose so Mularkey AND Gene Smith would be fired, and dreaded every chance we had to win a game - just in case. Now you want us to lose to secure a QB that is not considered the greatest prospect of a generation, and not even the best of the last 2 years.
When will you ever root for this team to win? Next year? Somehow, I doubt it.
It's a weird way to be a fan.
Umm, whats the common denominator here.....they were all lousy Jags teams and the worse the record for each instance presumably would have yielded better results later - whether it meant firing buffoon coaches in JDR or Mularkey, or getting Andrew Luck....
In all cases meaningless 2nd half wins in dead seasons hurt us.
In 2010 it was the year they could have won the division, so I was not hoping they'd lose until maybe the last game when it was evident that JDR blew it again.
Quote:Umm, whats the common denominator here.....they were all lousy Jags teams and the worse the record for each instance presumably would have yielded better results later - whether it meant firing buffoon coaches in JDR or Mularkey, or getting Andrew Luck....
In all cases meaningless 2nd half wins in dead seasons hurt us.
In 2010 it was the year they could have won the division, so I was not hoping they'd lose until maybe the last game when it was evident that JDR blew it again.
So if you can't win early, quit?
You don't say.
Quote:So if you can't win early, quit?
You don't say.
In the NFL it seems to prove out that the teams that finally "bottom out" are the ones that generally start to finally rebound and get some success.
The ones that toil in mediocrity and get those extra meaningless wins in "garbagetime" are the ones that pretty much stay right where they are at or at least don't rebound enough to actually make a serious impact.
Quote:In the NFL it seems to prove out that the teams that finally "bottom out" are the ones that generally start to finally rebound and get some success.
The ones that toil in mediocrity and get those extra meaningless wins in "garbagetime" are the ones that pretty much stay right where they are at or at least don't rebound enough to actually make a serious impact.
Has Cleveland bottomed out yet?
I know we have.
And I am really concerned about the term "meaningless wins". There's something soulless, gutless, and defeatist about it. Perhaps it's because hoping for your favorite team to win is soulless, gutless, and defeatist. And you know what else?
It's un-American.
Quote:Has Cleveland bottomed out yet?
I know we have.
And I am really concerned about the term "meaningless wins". There's something soulless, gutless, and defeatist about it. Perhaps it's because hoping for your favorite team to win is soulless, gutless, and defeatist. And you know what else?
It's un-American.
We haven't bottomed out yet until we get THE QB. Period. Which is why we need to get that 1st pick this draft. If we finish 3-13 or 4-12 and get the 3rd overall pick, guess what? we won't improve much over the next few years.
However, If we finish this season at 1-15 and get the 1st pick and select Bridgewater?....guaranteed we are at least a playoff team by 2015. And quite possibly a SB rep by 2017.
Quote:We haven't bottomed out yet until we get THE QB. Period. Which is why we need to get that 1st pick this draft. If we finish 3-13 or 4-12 and get the 3rd overall pick, guess what? we won't improve much over the next few years.
However, If we finish this season at 1-15 and get the 1st pick and select Bridgewater?....guaranteed we are at least a playoff team by 2015. And quite possibly a SB rep by 2017.
The bolded is dumb, and if you can't see why then you reeeeally need to learn a lot about football.
Quote:Ill be honest with you, I think he is close. If he was 6'4 220, he would be considered on par with Luck probably better due to more arm talent
I'm a Teddy fan, but you are drunk if ou think he is even close to as good a prospect as Luck is/was.
There is a Teddy in the draft every year or two.
Quote:There is a Teddy in the draft every year or two.
I wouldn't go that far...
Quote:The bolded is dumb, and if you can't see why then you reeeeally need to learn a lot about football.
Sorry, but I disagree. If we finish 3rd, we're not getting Teddy (or Clowney for that matter) and we still won't have -the- QB. Without the franchise QB, this team will not improve much over the next several years....especially if we wind up 3rd overall and Houston gets Bridgewater, then its a flat out mortal lock that we aren't finishing above 3rd place.
Quote:I'm a Teddy fan, but you are drunk if ou think he is even close to as good a prospect as Luck is/was.
There is a Teddy in the draft every year or two.
The above is crazy. Teddy is a once every 5-10 year on average, level QB.
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The above is crazy. Teddy is a once every 5-10 year on average, level QB.
You're delusional.
In the last five years alone, Luck, RG3, Newton, and Stafford have been some of the top QBs drafted.
Guess what, he doesn't get drafted ahead of any of them if they were all in the same draft. And if Winston could come out this year, he would go ahead of Teddy.
This once in 5-10 years rhetoric is nonsense. There is a QB almost every year that is newest, greatest thing.
Quote:I'm a Teddy fan, but you are drunk if ou think he is even close to as good a prospect as Luck is/was.
There is a Teddy in the draft every year or two.
I really wish people would stop using Andrew Luck as the only barometer when evaluating college QB prospects, while Luck is good and will probably one day be great, I believe the best QB from the 2012 class is Russell Wilson. He's better than Luck from an arm strength and accuracy perspective, he's got the smarts of Andrew Luck as well (he memorized the entire Wisconsin Badger playbook in 2 weeks), he's simply a more dynamic consistent QB, Russell Wilson (Imo) will be an all-time great, his ceiling is Drew Brees with more arm strength and athleticism.
Quote:I really wish people would stop using Andrew Luck as the only barometer when evaluating college QB prospects, while Luck is good and will probably one day be great, I believe the best QB from the 2012 class is Russell Wilson. He's better than Luck from an arm strength and accuracy perspective, he's got the smarts of Andrew Luck as well (he memorized the entire Wisconsin Badger playbook in 2 weeks), he's simply a more dynamic consistent QB, Russell Wilson (Imo) will be an all-time great, his ceiling is Drew Brees with more arm strength and athleticism.
This should serve as proof that we need the first overall pick.
So we can select a guy like Drew Brees or Russell Wilson. Count me in.
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In the last five years alone, Luck, RG3, Newton, and Stafford have been some of the top QBs drafted.
Guess what, he doesn't get drafted ahead of any of them if they were all in the same draft. And if Winston could come out this year, he would go ahead of Teddy.
This once in 5-10 years rhetoric is nonsense. There is a QB almost every year that is newest, greatest thing.
Not counting the alleged convict, Of those only Luck would go ahead of Bridgewater.
People forget how inconsistent Newton was before his recent epiphany.
Quote:I have no link. It was something I heard discussed on some program and it rang true with my impression that TB looks a little on the slim side. He's already shown he can take a hit and keep ticking, but I wonder how he'll handle the rigors of the pros.
Brees looks like he's doing just fine a little guy.
Quote:I really wish people would stop using Andrew Luck as the only barometer when evaluating college QB prospects, while Luck is good and will probably one day be great, I believe the best QB from the 2012 class is Russell Wilson. He's better than Luck from an arm strength and accuracy perspective, he's got the smarts of Andrew Luck as well (he memorized the entire Wisconsin Badger playbook in 2 weeks), he's simply a more dynamic consistent QB, Russell Wilson (Imo) will be an all-time great, his ceiling is Drew Brees with more arm strength and athleticism.
must be nice having a great defense and a stout running game. wilson has been very good in his short career and you can argue hes outplaying the other qbs in his class. thats what i want when we get a franchise qb, in a situation to succeed as did wilson. i dont think wilson is better than luck, wilson just has a far superior team imo.
Quote:Not counting the alleged convict, Of those only Luck would go ahead of Bridgewater.
People forget how inconsistent Newton was before his recent epiphany.
Not talking about pro careers as of yet, strictly talking about prospects coming out of college.
Quote:must be nice having a great defense and a stout running game. wilson has been very good in his short career and you can argue hes outplaying the other qbs in his class. thats what i want when we get a franchise qb, in a situation to succeed as did wilson. i dont think wilson is better than luck, wilson just has a far superior team imo.
9/10 rational Seahawks fans would take Luck over Wilson.
It's really not even close.
Quote:must be nice having a great defense and a stout running game. wilson has been very good in his short career and you can argue hes outplaying the other qbs in his class. thats what i want when we get a franchise qb, in a situation to succeed as did wilson. i dont think wilson is better than luck, wilson just has a far superior team imo.
I certainly respect your opinion, and I felt the same way before this year. What sold me on Wilson is there has been a few games this year where Seattle has not been able to run the ball effectively, they've also struggled most of the year in pass protection because of injuries to both of their starting tackles, yet Wilson was able to overcome those things while playing at a high level. I saw him erase a 21 point deficit against a talented Bucs defense, he absolutely picked apart the Falcons a couple of weeks ago, I watched him go 13-18 for 230yds an 2 TD's last week against Minnesota, I just like what I see from Wilson more than Luck and RGIII, he's incredibly underrated and is one of the best QB in the NFL.