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Quote:The feeling's mutual, given all of your CloWn postings. 

i want the best player in the draft so sue me  :thumbsup:

Quote:i want the best player in the draft so sue me  :thumbsup:

 

Wrong, you want the 2nd best player in the draft with a player that does not play the most important position - for a team that is QB starved, as well. 

Quote:i want the best player in the draft so sue me  :thumbsup:

 

How do you know he's the best player in the draft?  Because the experts say he is?  Nobody is a sure thing.  That includes King Clowney.

Quote:Wrong, you want the 2nd best player in the draft with a player that does not play the most important position - for a team that is QB starved, as well. 

 

Quote:How do you know he's the best player in the draft?  Because the experts say he is?  Nobody is a sure thing.  That includes King Clowney.

hes the best overall prospect in the draft, regardless of position. and yes most experts believe so.

Quote:hes the best overall prospect in the draft, regardless of position. and yes most experts believe so.

 


The experts thought Aaron Curry was the safest pick in 2009 draft; the truth is, no one knows, if you're going to take a chance on someone, take a chance on a player that can potentially change the fortunes of your franchise for 10-15 years. A defensive end can't do that by himself, a QB can.

I find it funny that anybody can say that so-and-so is the best player in the draft.  With zero effort I pulled up three 'big boards' from ESPN and CBS Sportsline and all three had different players on top.  I'm not claiming to know, but the people ranking players sure have different opinions.  Hell, Bridgewater was 5th on one list.

Quote:The experts thought Aaron Curry was the safest pick in 2009 draft; the truth is, no one knows, if you're going to take a chance on someone, take a chance on a player that can potentially change the fortunes of your franchise for 10-15 years. A defensive end can't do that by himself, a QB can.

those are all true, but my preference is to build a great defense and clowney would be a nice centerpiece.  but if teddy is the second coming of luck you take him and you dont look back, but i dont think teddy is. hes still the best qb in the class though, worthy of the 1st pick.

Quote:The experts thought Aaron Curry was the safest pick in 2009 draft;



 

 

I gotta tell ya....I never understood that one. He never passed the "eye test" for me - at least for a player that was going to be drafted that high anyway..... I never knew what those people were seeing that I was not. Curry always looked very slow to me out there. He lacked that quick twitch/ sudden that the "great" ones have. 

Quote:those are all true, but my preference is to build a great defense and clowney would be a nice centerpiece.  but if teddy is the second coming of luck you take him and you dont look back, but i dont think teddy is. hes still the best qb in the class though, worthy of the 1st pick.

 

I think any Jaguar fan would love to have a player like Jadeveon Clowney, but the QB position is too important in today's NFL to pass on a prospect like Bridgewater. If NFL GM's had data that supported a QB prospect like Bridgewater having a 60% of becoming an Aaron Rodgers, while Clowney having an 85% chance of becoming a Lawrence Taylor, I think most GM's would take their chance with Bridgewater, the risk is worth the reward 10-fold.

Quote:I gotta tell ya....I never understood that one. He never passed the "eye test" for me - at least for a player that was going to be drafted that high anyway..... I never knew what those people were seeing that I was not. Curry always looked very slow to me out there. He lacked that quick twitch/ sudden that the "great" ones have. 

 

I thought Aaron Curry would be a monster in the NFL, he was a great player at Wake Forrest (I think he won the Butkus award) and tore up the combine. I'm wondering if he couldn't process information fast enough in the NFL, that will certainly slow (physically) a player down, he was also injured a lot.

Quote:I think any Jaguar fan would love to have a player like Jadeveon Clowney, but the QB position is too important in today's NFL to pass on a prospect like Bridgewater. If NFL GM's had data that supported a QB prospect like Bridgewater having a 60% of becoming an Aaron Rodgers, while Clowney having an 85% chance of becoming a Lawrence Taylor, I think most GM's would take their chance with Bridgewater, the risk is worth the reward 10-fold.

the majority most likely will, but the state of our oline and lack of running game, and teddys frame, i dont think he would have as much success as people believe he would. when we bring our franchise qb i would put him in the best chance to succeed, that is with a defense an oline and running game. i would be happy if we draft teddy, its just not my preference.

Quote:the majority most likely will, but the state of our oline and lack of running game, and teddys frame, i dont think he would have as much success as people believe he would. when we bring our franchise qb i would put him in the best chance to succeed, that is with a defense an oline and running game. i would be happy if we draft teddy, its just not my preference.

The O-line and the running game can be improved in the offseason too though.  Not to mention Joeckle will be back.

Quote:the majority most likely will, but the state of our oline and lack of running game, and teddys frame, i dont think he would have as much success as people believe he would. when we bring our franchise qb i would put him in the best chance to succeed, that is with a defense an oline and running game. i would be happy if we draft teddy, its just not my preference.

 

I see David Caldwell overhauling the offensive line in FA, shoring up both the offensive and defensive line will be a priority. There is no way Will Rackley and Uche Nwaneri will be our starting G's next year, Brad will probably retire, Austin has been decent in pass protection but has struggled mightily generating a push in the run game, there’s a good chance we’ll see 4 new starters on the offensive line. I don't think David Caldwell is going to draft a QB and put him behind the league’s worst offensive line, it will certainly improve.

Quote:Neither team yielded a sack. Would you like to know why we lost so bad?

 

The 49ers have a great qb and oc.

 

The Jaguars have a terrible qb and oc.

 

There's many reasons why we lost but the two above are why we lost by 32 points.

Did you just say SF has a great qb? Time to start watching football.

Quote:Yes I do. What is similar with all 3 of them is their command/ knowledge of the position and how they can manipulate defenses. If Teddy played with the kind of talent that Oregon has on offense (among a few others) it would be sick. Teddy is limited by his own team and his own coaching which often runs the ball as if its a badge of honor, forgetting that they have the best QB in the country. 

And still you dodge my comments about the last guy you put in the same league----

Dan LeFevour

Quote:The O-line and the running game can be improved in the offseason too though.  Not to mention Joeckle will be back.

Quote:I see David Caldwell overhauling the offensive line in FA, shoring up both the offensive and defensive line will be a priority. There is no way Will Rackley and Uche Nwaneri will be our starting G's next year, Brad will probably retire, Austin has been decent in pass protection but has struggled mightily generating a push in the run game, there’s a good chance we’ll see 4 new starters on the offensive line. I don't think David Caldwell is going to draft a QB and put him behind the league’s worst offensive line, it will certainly improve.

regardless of who we pick first, the line should be a priority, joeckel will back but it sucks he got hurt, he needed this year to have his rookie mistakes.

Quote:And still you dodge my comments about the last guy you put in the same league----

Dan LeFevour

 

Everybody gets some wrong.  I don't think Bridgewater is Manning/Luck tier.  But I think he's the best of this QB class by a good amount.  Enough to warrant taking with the first pick, even over an incredible prospect like Clowney.  Especially when you lack a Quarterback.  Getting a QB is difficult.  Anyone that says otherwise should look at a team called the Jacksonville Jaguars.  I hear they haven't drafted or signed a good one in a decade.  

Quote:Everybody gets some wrong.  I don't think Bridgewater is Manning/Luck tier.  But I think he's the best of this QB class by a good amount.  Enough to warrant taking with the first pick, even over an incredible prospect like Clowney.  Especially when you lack a Quarterback.  Getting a QB is difficult.  Anyone that says otherwise should look at a team called the Jacksonville Jaguars.  I hear they haven't drafted or signed a good one in a decade.  

Guess I dont have the same tunnel vision he has. As I said, I do like Bridgewater but theres a couple other qb's in this draft that may work just as well

Quote:And still you dodge my comments about the last guy you put in the same league----

Dan LeFevour

 

I never put LeFevour in the same league as Bridgewater. 

 

While there was one point months prior to the draft that I thought LeFevour may crack the first round, by draft time I wasn't recommending spending anything higher than a 3rd or 4th rounder on LeFevour. 

 

I've been saying Bridgewater should be the top overall draft choice, this entire time as well as saying Bridgewater is in the category of QB prospects that emerge once per decade. 

 

So stop friggin lying. 

Quote:Link???


He is 6'3 200lbs, all he needs is 15 lbs to be sturdy enough, he is a pocket passer, not Mr.scrambler

I have no link. It was something I heard discussed on some program and it rang true with my impression that TB looks a little on the slim side. He's already shown he can take a hit and keep ticking, but I wonder how he'll handle the rigors of the pros.