Let's keep in mind that Seattle kept a tight leash on Russell Wilson last year, right up until after mid-season when they finally took the training wheels off. Up to that point, RW was playing in a vanilla offense and hardly throwing the ball. Russell Wilson still went on to tie Peyton Manning for the rookie TD record, was the first rookie along side RG3 in league history with a quarterback rating over 100, won Seattle's first playoff road game since 1983, and used his arm to lead a 4th quarter comeback against the Atlanata Falcons, only to have our defense lose the game in the final 38 seconds.
This season, he has played without both bookend tackles the majority of the year. Pro-bowl LT Russell Okung went down in week 2, RT Gacomini the week after. Compound that with our Pro-bowl center battling an arm injury, and later a concussion, and Russell Wilson has played with a patchwork offensive line almost the entire season.
To give you perspective on what Russell Wilson is playing with, J.R. Sweezy, our starting RG, is a converted DT and was a 7th round pick last season, Sweezy had never played a snap at OL up until last year. Bowie, who filled in at RT, is a rookie 7th round pick. McQuistan, who filled in at LT, was our starting RG, and a complete turnstile at LT.
Add to that Zach Miller, our high priced TE being asked to block almost every down, and it's a miracle that Russell Wilson is having the season he is.
Andrew Luck is a mobile QB, but there is no way that you put him behind that OL and he wins 10 games and has over a 60% completion pct.
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Andrew Luck is a mobile QB, but there is no way that you put him behind that OL and he wins 10 games and has over a 60% completion pct.
I agree with that 100%.
Long-term projections are a different story, IMO. I think Luck has an edge there.
I do really like Wilson, BTW, and will enjoy watching him develop. I'm curious as to how he will be playing in a few years and whether he and Carroll will give any thought or adjustment to his mobility vs. his longevity.
Quote:I agree with that 100%.
Long-term projections are a different story, IMO. I think Luck has an edge there.
I do really like Wilson, BTW, and will enjoy watching him develop. I'm curious as to how he will be playing in a few years and whether he and Carroll will give any thought or adjustment to his mobility vs. his longevity.
Unlike RG3, RW avoids hits by sliding.
Mike Sando along with many other columnist have already proved that Russell Wilson does most of his damage from inside the pocket, which throws out the running QB factor.
Russell Wilson is a 1/2 inch shorter than Drew Bress with better athleticism.
So, while Wilson's ability to scramble might be hindered later on in his career, I don't see that being an issue as long as he has solid protection, ala Drew Brees.
Quote:Unlike RG3, RW avoids hits by sliding.
Mike Sando along with many other columnist have already proved that Russell Wilson does most of his damage from inside the pocket, which throws out the running QB factor.
Russell Wilson is a 1/2 inch shorter than Drew Bress with better athleticism.
So, while Wilson's ability to scramble might be hindered later on in his career, I don't see that being an issue as long as he has solid protection, ala Drew Brees.
LOL. You come off super-homerish in that post. (Thats OK. I probably would too if the Jags looked anything like your Hawks :teehee
I merely expressed curiosity about adaptation down the road - I didn't say he was RGIII.
These two will be fun to watch over the next several years, IMO, but I just feel
slightly stronger about Luck. It may come down to the weapons available to them in the prime of their careers - as they both hold lots of promise.
Man, I hope the Jags are about to draft a guy worthy of entering this conversation !
Quote:Your point is wrong. The Colts were a 1-15 team.... drafted Luck and then went 11-5 the very next season.
Oh yes, Luck was the only player they added that off season. That argument is getting tired.
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Quote:Oh yes, Luck was the only player they added that off season. That argument is getting tired.
Care to name the players they added that made such a huge turn around?
Quote:Care to name the players they added that made such a huge turn around?
I never understood the "Andrew Luck led a 2-14 team back to the playoffs" mantra. The year before, they were a 10-6 team with a broken down Manning. Put Curtis Painter behind center on any NFL team and you would be lucky to win 2 games, regardless of the talent around him. Essentially, the record of the Indianapolis Colts team that year was not a reflection of talent, but a reflection of their QB depth.
With that said, I don't think Andrew Luck inherited as bad a team as most people think. Does Russell Wilson have a Reggie Wayne to throw to? Sidney Rice has been a shell of his former self ever since arriving to Seattle, so that rules him out. Golden Tate? Explosive, but not a #1 receiver. Doug Baldwin? Slot guy, sure hands, but not a #1 receiver.
To answer your question, Andrew Luck acquired two weapons in Coby Fleener and T.Y. Hilton in his draft class to go along side Reggie Wayne. This year, the team acquired Trent Richardson.
Everyone says that RW has the better team, I'll give them that, but it's on the defensive side of the ball. Outside of Marshawn Lynch, RW has made the receiving core of Seattle look better than they are, and shattered records while doing so without a #1 receiver.
Can you say the same about Andrew Luck?
Quote:I never understood the "Andrew Luck led a 2-14 team back to the playoffs" mantra. The year before, they were a 10-6 team with a broken down Manning. Put Curtis Painter behind center on any NFL team and you would be lucky to win 2 games, regardless of the talent around him. Essentially, the record of the Indianapolis Colts team that year was not a reflection of talent, but a reflection of their QB depth.
With that said, I don't think Andrew Luck inherited as bad a team as most people think. Does Russell Wilson have a Reggie Wayne to throw to? Sidney Rice has been a shell of his former self ever since arriving to Seattle, so that rules him out. Golden Tate? Explosive, but not a #1 receiver. Doug Baldwin? Slot guy, sure hands, but not a #1 receiver.
To answer your question, Andrew Luck acquired two weapons in Coby Fleener and T.Y. Hilton in his draft class to go along side Reggie Wayne. This year, the team acquired Trent Richardson.
Everyone says that RW has the better team, I'll give them that, but it's on the defensive side of the ball. Outside of Marshawn Lynch, RW has made the receiving core of Seattle look better than they are, and shattered records while doing so without a #1 receiver.
Can you say the same about Andrew Luck?
Reggie Wayne is not the Reggie Wayne of three years ago, T Y Hilton is average on the Seahawks, Coby Fleener has been bad so far in his career, and the Trent Richardson trade has been a disaster.
But go ahead and keep thinking Luck is playing with a full deck and Wilson is surrounded by scrubs. It's fun to watch.
Quote:Reggie Wayne is not the Reggie Wayne of three years ago, T Y Hilton is average on the Seahawks, Coby Fleener has been bad so far in his career, and the Trent Richardson trade has been a disaster.
But go ahead and keep thinking Luck is playing with a full deck and Wilson is surrounded by scrubs. It's fun to watch.
T.Y. Hilton would be bad on the Seahawks? Give me a break man, he's one of the most dynamic young receivers in all of football, Coby Fleener has played a lot better over the past 5 weeks as well, and Reggie Wayne even at age 40 is better than of the Seattle receivers, this is just a really ignorant post.
Quote:Reggie Wayne is not the Reggie Wayne of three years ago, T Y Hilton is average on the Seahawks, Coby Fleener has been bad so far in his career, and the Trent Richardson trade has been a disaster.
But go ahead and keep thinking Luck is playing with a full deck and Wilson is surrounded by scrubs. It's fun to watch.
Get over it man, it's fair to say that Russell Wilson has been better than Andrew Luck so far, you clearly don't watch Wilson play much if you're dismissing this argument.
Quote:Reggie Wayne is not the Reggie Wayne of three years ago, T Y Hilton is average on the Seahawks, Coby Fleener has been bad so far in his career, and the Trent Richardson trade has been a disaster.
But go ahead and keep thinking Luck is playing with a full deck and Wilson is surrounded by scrubs. It's fun to watch.
Interesting, because Reggie Wayne tied his pro-bowl season last year with 1355 receiving yards while catching one less touchdown.
T.Y. Hilton has more receiving yards and more TD's than any receiver for Seattle,but yeah, he would be "average" on the Hawks.
Trent Richardson is a #4 overall pick in his 2nd year. I think it's a little preemptive to call him a bust.
Point is, I think Luck has the better receiving core, and the less impressive numbers.
Explain that.
Quote:Reggie Wayne is not the Reggie Wayne of three years ago, T Y Hilton is average on the Seahawks, Coby Fleener has been bad so far in his career, and the Trent Richardson trade has been a disaster.
But go ahead and keep thinking Luck is playing with a full deck and Wilson is surrounded by scrubs. It's fun to watch.
Btw,
The Colts have been much better in pass protection and run blocking than the Seahawks this year.
Mr Seahawk bro has a bit of a reading comprehension problem.
Never said Hilton was bad and never called Richardson a bust.
Some QBs elevate the play if their receivers. Andrew Luck clearly does that.
I find it hilarious that you guys act like Luck got thrown onto some awesome team full of playoff caliber players. Like Wilson did.
Question for Mr Seahawks homer dude:
If you could keep your QB, and trade rosters with the Colts, would you?
Not in a million years, but keep telling yourself Luck has it so good, and Russell is surrounded by scrubs. Hilarious.
Quote:Interesting, because Reggie Wayne tied his pro-bowl season last year with 1355 receiving yards while catching one less touchdown.
T.Y. Hilton has more receiving yards and more TD's than any receiver for Seattle,but yeah, he would be "average" on the Hawks.
Trent Richardson is a #4 overall pick in his 2nd year. I think it's a little preemptive to call him a bust.
Point is, I think Luck has the better receiving core, and the less impressive numbers.
Explain that.
Hahah so a #4 pick can't be a bust? Have you watched Trent? He is flat out awful and is no longer the starting running back. Fleener has been less than impressive and Hilton would not be nearly as good without Luck.
Every... single... GM (even the Seahawks) would take Luck over Wilson. 9 Game winning drives. If you think Luck wasn't the sole reason that team went from 1-15 to 11-5 then you don't really understand football.
Wilson has the luxury of the #1 defense which routinely gives him amazing field position. When the Seahawks run game doesn't work, Wilson struggles. Luck has never had a run game and continues to be impressive.
Wilson would not be putting up those numbers if he was on the Colts. He just wouldn't. Wilson is great. There is no denying that. But he is not the best young QB in the league. That title goes to Luck.
Quote:Mr Seahawk bro has a bit of a reading comprehension problem.
Never said Hilton was bad and never called Richardson a bust.
Some QBs elevate the play if their receivers. Andrew Luck clearly does that.
I find it hilarious that you guys act like Luck got thrown onto some awesome team full of playoff caliber players. Like Wilson did.
Question for Mr Seahawks homer dude:
If you could keep your QB, and trade rosters with the Colts, would you?
Not in a million years, but keep telling yourself Luck has it so good, and Russell is surrounded by scrubs. Hilarious.
You know what's hilarious? You accusing him of having the reading comprehension problem.
Quote:You know what's hilarious? You accusing him of having the reading comprehension problem.
HAHAHAhagagahahHahahaha who are you?
When did this topic become the breeding ground for Andrew Luck and Seattle talk? Also, shouldn't the title of the thread be changed by now?
Quote:HAHAHAhagagahahHahahaha who are you?
Just someone on the sidelines observing.
Quote:When did this topic become the breeding ground for Andrew Luck and Seattle talk? Also, shouldn't the title of the thread be changed by now?
our team sucks and we ran out of things to talk about?