Quote:Sanchez was 4-2 in the playoffs in 2009 and 2010.and boasted a 9/3 in TD/INT ratio.
Comparatively speaking...
Dalton is 0-3, 1/6
Luck isn't much better at 1-2, 6/8 (more INTs than TDs)
Numbers don't lie, but butthurt posters certainly do.
But....but...but....we can't use logic around here....
Luck was so hyped that none of the fans can objectively look at the second coming with anything less than blue tinted glasses and a tent pitched in their pants.
Quote:Well, the truth is the Colts success has been more attributable to luck (lowercase) than Luck the last two years.
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/19...kiest-team
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">"Of course, such statistics are far from infallible, and history is not destiny. As proof one need look no farther than the 2013 second luckiest team, the Indianapolis Colts, with 1.6 more wins than their Expected W-L would indicate. Which team was the 2012 "luckiest" team? The very same Colts, with a whopping 3.8 more wins than Expected W-L would indicate. So the Colts at least bucked the odds two years in a row. On the other hand, they also experienced a pronounced regression toward the Expected W-L number, as they shaved 2.2 wins off their "luck" in 2013."
Fools and trolls can deny it all they want, but that doesn't change the truth.
Quote:One more thing to add to this. After Wayne's injury, the Colts were 6-3. 5 of those wins were against Houston twice, Tennessee twice and The Jaguars once. The three losses were to St Louis by 30, to Arizona by 29 and to Cincinnati by 14. They also lost in the playoffs to New England by 21.
Also good points. I think a lot of Luck's perception comes from his regular season record. If Luck played in a tougher division and a tougher schedule would his perception have been the same? I remember more than one occasion thinking a questionable decision by Luck led to a big completion or touchdown or circus catch. I can't necessarily say he was lucky, and the Colts did have a handful of solid wins against good teams, but I can see how things could have easily gone the other way.
Quote:He had Reggie Wayne his first season and a half. So stop with that only rookie and second year receivers crap.
Yes, Wayne was tremendous in helping Luck, but he was one guy. Luck still had to rely on many rookie and second year players. It was bad then, but good moving forward as they grow together. By the way, I had mentioned Wayne in my previous post. I'm not trying to hide that.
They also conveniently sweep under the rug that he's throwing to a TE that he's been throwing to throughout his college career. Rookie or not, there was invaluable rapport already there.
Quote:He broke the record for most yards in his first two years that had been standing for all of one year. He broke Cam Newton's record. Wow.
still broke the record, right? He's the record holder, fact.
Quote:Well, the truth is the Colts success has been more attributable to luck (lowercase) than Luck the last two years.
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<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">"Of course, such statistics are far from infallible, and history is not destiny. As proof one need look no farther than the 2013 second luckiest team, the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/indianapolis-colts'>Indianapolis Colts</a>, with 1.6 more wins than their Expected W-L would indicate. Which team was the 2012 "luckiest" team? The very same Colts, with a whopping 3.8 more wins than Expected W-L would indicate. So the Colts at least bucked the odds two years in a row. On the other hand, they also experienced a pronounced regression toward the Expected W-L number, as they shaved 2.2 wins off their "luck" in 2013."
Fools and trolls can deny it all they want, but that doesn't change the truth.
So the Colts won 3.8 wins more than expected in 2012. As I said, they were a talent starved team and the major reason for winning was Luck, who led them to the playoffs when they really had NO business being there. This strengthens that argument, doesn't it?
Quote:Also good points. I think a lot of Luck's perception comes from his regular season record. If Luck played in a tougher division and a tougher schedule would his perception have been the same? I remember more than one occasion thinking a questionable decision by Luck led to a big completion or touchdown or circus catch. I can't necessarily say he was lucky, and the Colts did have a handful of solid wins against good teams, but I can see how things could have easily gone the other way.
A cakewalk division that gave them an automatic 6-0 speaks for itself. That gave them more than half their wins.
And speaking of how easily things could have gone the other way, the fumble that so fortunately bounced perfectly into his hands on the goal line comes to mind as well. Could have just as easily been a turnover. Instead, it lead to 7 points and a win.
The division isn't going to remain this pathetically weak.
It's then that their Luck will run out.
Quote:So the Colts won 3.8 wins more than expected in 2012. As I said, they were a talent starved team and the major reason for winning was Luck, who led them to the playoffs when they really had NO business being there. This strengthens that argument, doesn't it?
You're reaching.
What is shows is how pathetic the division was compared to expectations. The measurement was of
luck, not overachievement.
And as you'll also note... your luck is running out.
Luck came out being touted as a once in a lifetime prospect and whatnot. While I think he's performed very well up to this point, I think he needs to make a jump this season and stay that way to be considered 'as good as advertised.'
How he's performed so far has been good, and he's done it with a Colts team that I consider to be pretty bad.
Anyway, point is, he has to make strides but he's definitely one in the top 10 Qb's in the league, or at least on the cusp of it.
Quote:You're reaching.
What is shows is how pathetic the division was compared to expectations. The measurement was of luck, not overachievement.
And as you'll also note... your luck is running out.
They measured luck by expected wins vs. outcome. They looked at the team and based on talent, division, opponents, derived an expected number of wins. Then they considered it luck if the team overachieved.
You can argue for luck, which they admit is a statistic that may be falable. I think, however, that it's a reach.
Quote:But....but...but....we can't use logic around here....
Luck was so hyped that none of the fans can objectively look at the second coming with anything less than blue tinted glasses and a tent pitched in their pants.
Well, it was obviously the defense that caused Sanchez to play so well in the playoffs. Otherwise he would have had just as poor numbers as Dalton and Luck.
Sanchez is not a good QB. But in the playoffs, he certainly did play well (unlike others.) It may be inconvenient to some, but it's certainly (and undeniably) true. It's fact that his performance, compared to what Dalton and Luck have (not) achieved so far, was clearly better than both. That doesn't make him a better QB. It simply shows what little Dalton and Luck have achieved comparably in the playoffs.
Quote:Luck came out being touted as a once in a lifetime prospect and whatnot. While I think he's performed very well up to this point, I think he needs to make a jump this season and stay that way to be considered 'as good as advertised.'
How he's performed so far has been good, and he's done it with a Colts team that I consider to be pretty bad.
Anyway, point is, he has to make strides but he's definitely one in the top 10 Qb's in the league, or at least on the cusp of it.
Well, he was one of the best QB prospects ever. He was one of the can't miss'tyiest prospects you'll ever get at that position coming out of the draft. Yes, there were a few others, too, but yes, so was Luck.
I agree with the rest of your post.
That comeback win in the playoffs last year did a lot to elevate Luck on the realtime QB totem pole.
Quote:BLC in full force today.
U mad? Read the post again and let those losses sink in for a second.
Quote:U mad? Read the post again and let those losses sink in for a second.
Yeah, and then consider what he was throwing to in those 3 losses.....and having pretty much NOTHING for a running game, to help.....and having a below average defense on the other side of the ball....
Yeah,
all Luck's fault....
Quote:Produces not excuses
He sure did, come crunch time, i.e. that masterful comeback win in the playoffs vs KC.
One of the best comeback playoff wins in NFL history.
Nobody has taken away his comeback win against Andy Reid and the Chiefs.
One of the best comebacks in NFL playoff history. Right up there with Frank Reich, Tommy Maddox and Jeff Garcia in terms of great comeback wins.
The comeback v. a depleted KC team. Cool.