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Quote:I think you want to have all of Andrew luck's babies.


And yeah, I'm also very bored

Nah, he's not my type!

Quote:Nah, he's not my type!

 

It's the neck-beard, huh?  It's always the neck-beard...

Quote:It's the neck-beard, huh?  It's always the neck-beard...

Yeah, I just can't get past it!

Quote:My comment has nothing to do with the greatness, or lackthereof of Andrew Luck.  My only comment is, wow what a terrible attempt to point out anything, that article was awful!  From unrealistic viewpoints of fan opinions, to very weak attempts to argue the contrary, to awful writing and presentation, well, i hated that article!  So i'm here, hating on it! 

 

Yes i'm bored, and if you're reading this, so are you.

In don't know if I hate the article, didn't fully understand it really. Sounds like he's saying Luck is more top 10 than top 5 or top 1.


All I know is 38 TDs is no joke.

Quote:In don't know if I hate the article, didn't fully understand it really. Sounds like he's saying Luck is more top 10 than top 5 or top 1.

All I know is 38 TDs is no joke.

Yeah the whole point of the article was darn near pointless.

Quote:In don't know if I hate the article, didn't fully understand it really. Sounds like he's saying Luck is more top 10 than top 5 or top 1.


All I know is 38 TDs is no joke.

 

Right. Seems like he's recognizing that he's good but not yet at the level he's being pumped up as.

 

As for his stats, I don't really care about them. It was already clear when he was a rookie and his stats were mediocre that he was a great player and better prospect.

 

However, his stats at this point are also deceiving.

 

This season in the AFCS he's thrown something like 14 TDs to only 3 INTs. Most of his INTs come outside of the AFCS against quality opponents.

 

In fact, against quality out of division opponents he's been really mediocre. Against quality opponents (Den, Phi, Bal, Cin, Pit, NE, Cle, Dal) he's thrown 15 TDs to 12 INTs.

 

Most of his stats come running up the score against inferior competition.

 

He's the definition of paper tiger at this point, and will likely lose in a blowout to one of the elite teams in the playoffs again.

Quote:Right. Seems like he's recognizing that he's good but not yet at the level he's being pumped up as.

 

As for his stats, I don't really care about them. It was already clear when he was a rookie and his stats were mediocre that he was a great player and better prospect.

 

However, his stats at this point are also deceiving.

 

This season in the AFCS he's thrown something like 14 TDs to only 3 INTs. Most of his INTs come outside of the AFCS against quality opponents.

 

In fact, against quality out of division opponents he's been really mediocre. Against quality opponents (Den, Phi, Bal, Cin, Pit, NE, Cle, Dal) he's thrown 15 TDs to 12 INTs.

 

Most of his stats come running up the score against inferior competition.

 

He's the definition of paper tiger at this point, and will likely lose in a blowout to one of the elite teams in the playoffs again.

 

all of this.

 

what annoys me is that people are looking at luck and are either already proclaiming him the greatest of all time or will be the greatest of all time.

 

based on what? the numbers show against better teams hes slightly above average.

 

when he plays guys like brady, manning, etc.... they put him to shame.

 

its a slap in the face to the best guys in the game when people talk about luck like that and discount how great brady really is.

 

thats what annoys me.

Quote:all of this.

 

what annoys me is that people are looking at luck and are either already proclaiming him the greatest of all time or will be the greatest of all time.

 

based on what? the numbers show against better teams hes slightly above average.

 

when he plays guys like brady, manning, etc.... they put him to shame.

 

its a slap in the face to the best guys in the game when people talk about luck like that and discount how great brady really is.

 

thats what annoys me.

 

Also, just to add some perspective. Tom Brady in games against quality out of division opponents has a 15/7 TD/INT ratio, so he throws more than twice as many TDs as INTs when he's facing a playoff quality team.

 

Peyton Manning has a 24/9 TD/INT ratio against quality out of division opponents in spite of tailing off some as the season has progressed.

 

Russell Wilson's TD/INT ratio against quality out of division opponents is 10/2. That's ten TD passes with only two INTs against other out of division playoff level teams.

 

Seeing those ratios should give some perspective to colts fans as to why there's some reservation expressed about Luck's proclaimed ascension to elite status.

 

He's good, but he's not as great as some have declared him to be at this point.

Quote:Also, just to add some perspective. Tom Brady in games against quality out of division opponents has a 15/7 TD/INT ratio, so he throws more than twice as many TDs as INTs when he's facing a playoff quality team.

 

Peyton Manning has a 24/9 TD/INT ratio against quality out of division opponents in spite of tailing off some as the season has progressed.

 

Russell Wilson's TD/INT ratio against quality out of division opponents is 10/2. That's ten TD passes with only two INTs against other out of division playoff level teams.

 

Seeing those ratios should give some perspective to colts fans as to why there's some reservation expressed about Luck's proclaimed ascension to elite status.

 

He's good, but he's not as great as some have declared him to be at this point.

 

agreed on all counts

You guys are acting like Luck has ALWAYS struggled against playoff caliber teams. This just isn't true. The team as a whole has, it asks too much of Andrew. Especially this year, he has gotten no help at times. Only the Browns game this year I can remember where truly the defense carried us to a win (even though, Luck and the offense had a game winning drive).

 

Look at last year during the regular season against teams that made the playoffs (SF, SEA, DEN, SD, CIN, KC): 12 TDs, 1 INT.

 

...That's incredible. Colts were also 4-2 in those games.

Quote:You guys are acting like Luck has ALWAYS struggled against playoff caliber teams. This just isn't true. The team as a whole has, it asks too much of Andrew. Especially this year, he has gotten no help at times. Only the Browns game this year I can remember where truly the defense carried us to a win (even though, Luck and the offense had a game winning drive).

 

Look at last year during the regular season against teams that made the playoffs (SF, SEA, DEN, SD, CIN, KC): 12 TDs, 1 INT.

 

...That's incredible. Colts were also 4-2 in those games.

 

Your math seems to be off. (not that it's surprising coming from you)

 

In games against quality opponents last season (and by quality opponent I include St Louis and Arizona, two good teams you left out) he had 12 TDs and 5 INTs, which are good numbers for him, but not as good as you wanted them to seem. Also his stats were strongly bouyed by a 4 TD 0 INT game against Cincinnati. Taking that game out of the equation and he was 8TDs 5 INTs.

Quote:Your math seems to be off. (not that it's surprising coming from you)

 

In games against quality opponents last season (and by quality opponent I include St Louis and Arizona, two good teams you left out) he had 12 TDs and 5 INTs, which are good numbers for him, but not as good as you wanted them to seem. Also his stats were strongly bouyed by a 4 TD 0 INT game against Cincinnati. Taking that game out of the equation and he was 8TDs 5 INTs.

 

Uh no... I have no idea where you got those numbers from. Unless ESPN is lying to me, against PLAYOFF TEAMS in 2013, he had 12 TDs, 1 INT.

 

Also, you can't just "take away a game" to fit your view point. LOL.

 

EDIT: Also, calling the Rams (at 7-9 in 2013) a "good team" is HILARIOUS. Obviously stretching at an attempt to prove your point.

Quote:Uh no... I have no idea where you got those numbers from. Unless ESPN is lying to me, against PLAYOFF TEAMS in 2013, he had 12 TDs, 1 INT.

 

Also, you can't just "take away a game" to fit your view point. LOL.

 

I took the figures from NFL.com. And I didn't "take away a game," I noted that there was an outlier performance among the group.

 

Knock yourself out. http://www.nfl.com/player/andrewluck/253...eason=2013

 

edit: also, I didn't say I was looking at stats against only playoff qualifying opponents, I was looking at quality opponents, so teams that finished the year .500 or better. My mistake for including the Rams, I had misremembered their record last season.

Quote:I took the figures from NFL.com. And I didn't "take away a game," I noted that there was an outlier performance among the group.

 

Knock yourself out. http://www.nfl.com/player/andrewluck/253...eason=2013

 

edit: also, I didn't say I was looking at stats against only playoff qualifying opponents, I was looking at quality opponents, so teams that finished the year .500 or better. My mistake for including the Rams, I had misremembered their record last season.

 

OK so ESPN was counting rushing TDs as well....

 

So he was 10 throwing TDs, 2 rushing TDs, &  1 INT vs. playoff teams in 2013. My point still stands.

 

Also, chastising me for "making an error in math" (which I didn't, btw) then going on to make a mistake yourself sums up this thread entirely.

Quote:OK so ESPN was counting rushing TDs as well....

 

So he was 10 throwing TDs, 2 rushing TDs, &  1 INT vs. playoff teams in 2013. My point still stands.

 

Also, chastising me for "making an error in math" (which I didn't, btw) then going on to make a mistake yourself sums up this thread entirely.

 

Full of pedantic nitpicking over trivialities?

 

I suppose I should agree. Like I said, I consider Luck to be a very good player. I don't consider him to be among the true elites at this point, but he's definitely better than anyone else in the division at this point.

Quote:OK so ESPN was counting rushing TDs as well....

 

So he was 10 throwing TDs, 2 rushing TDs, &  1 INT vs. playoff teams in 2013. My point still stands.

 

Also, chastising me for "making an error in math" (which I didn't, btw) then going on to make a mistake yourself sums up this thread entirely.

 

the stats that i gave you earlier that you had no real refute for, sum up this thread. luck cant get it done against quality teams in situations that other qbs who have equal defense and running games, where other actual elite QBs, can.

 

the general consensus is luck is good, but not as good as advertised or hyped up to be. pretty simple, and glaringly accurate.

CW won't accept anything but calling him elite.


I wonder why colts fans are so defensive? Anything to do with dumping an actual elite qb a little early?

Quote:CW won't accept anything but calling him elite.


I wonder why colts fans are so defensive? Anything to do with dumping an actual elite qb a little early?

 

Actually, I have never called him elite. However, there aren't 5 QBs that are better than him currently playing. If that means he's elite, then so be it.

Quote:Actually, I have never called him elite. However, there aren't 5 QBs that are better than him currently playing. If that means he's elite, then so be it.

Big Ben, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Romo, Rivers.


Wilson probably too.


You are such a ridiculous homer.

Quote:Big Ben, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Romo, Rivers.


Wilson probably too.


You are such a ridiculous homer.

 

Phillip Rivers? Are you kidding? The guy that has 700 less throwing yards, same amount of INTs, and 7 less touchdown passes? Yes, I'm the homer.

 

Big Ben and Romo are close. 

 

Rodgers, Brady, Manning are obvious.

 

Wilson not even close.