Quote:That's an example of what I said earlier, that a lot of people don't seem to realize that there are 11 guys out there, and if you have a garbage offensive line, all the skill players are going to look bad, including the QB.
I hear ya, Marty... But Luck has been inaccurate on deep and mid-ranged balls since he began playing. And he's consistently inaccurate. You can't blame his inaccuracy on the O-Line. He's over-rated...
He's a good to pretty good QB, but he's not elite... He may be elite, but he aint there yet... Thus he's over-rated. He's lauded by most talking heads as being elite, when he's not. That's the definition of over-rated... (Have I repeated that enough?) Over-rated.
There's less than a handful of teams in the NFL that are pleased with their OL. Deal with it
Quote:I hear ya, Marty... But Luck has been inaccurate on deep and mid-ranged balls since he began playing. And he's consistently inaccurate. You can't blame his inaccuracy on the O-Line. He's over-rated...
He's a good to pretty good QB, but he's not elite... He may be elite, but he aint there yet... Thus he's over-rated. He's lauded by most talking heads as being elite, when he's not. That's the definition of over-rated... (Have I repeated that enough?) Over-rated.
It seems like after Monday night's performance, people are questioning him. I honestly think he's gotten kind of a free pass from playing in Indy and being out of the spotlight for most of the year. If he played in New York or Philly, his turnovers would've been an issue before this week.
He's the same guy he's been since he's been in the league. Spotty accuracy and turnover prone who is liable to run hot and cold. He's decent enough but to be discussed with Manning and Brady is laughable.
Quote:He's the same guy he's been since he's been in the league. Spotty accuracy and turnover prone who is liable to run hot and cold. He's decent enough but to be discussed with Manning and Brady is laughable.
He does seem to run hot against the AFCS and cold against everyone else. Well, maybe lukewarm at times outside the AFCS.
Real good DCs can make him look average to below average though.
He's a pretty good QB with a bad OL and mediocre receivers. Looking at that team they seem built for the Run N Shoot.
Quote:That's an example of what I said earlier, that a lot of people don't seem to realize that there are 11 guys out there, and if you have a garbage offensive line, all the skill players are going to look bad, including the QB.
Yet he was billed as a "once in a generation" QB who could overcome that and carry the team to SuperBowls through his talent and will alone.
Which, further points out how he's been overrated since before even taking his first snap.
As many have pointed out before, he's a smart QB who outsmarts himself. He makes too many mistakes (bad INTs) that a QB supposedly as smart as he is shouldn't make, and isn't particularly good at protecting the football.
The list of excuses are just amazing. He's hardly been short of receiving weapons and the OL has been not as bad as recent jags lines. People not blaming the D too? The one that gave him chance after chance.
If people stopped placing him with the best qbs we probably wouldn't be as critical. Brady showed how tough the bills D is to a top Qb...
Quote:Yet he was billed as a "once in a generation" QB who could overcome that and carry the team to SuperBowls through his talent and will alone.
Which, further points out how he's been overrated since before even taking his first snap.
As many have pointed out before, he's a smart QB who outsmarts himself. He makes too many mistakes (bad INTs) that a QB supposedly as smart as he is shouldn't make, and isn't particularly good at protecting the football.
There is no quarterback in the history of football who can overcome a bad offensive line.
Couple of us have been saying from the beginning that Luck is wildly overrated and it seems the Rank and File is coming around. As extreme as the hype is and how intense it is, he couldn't help but be overrated. I still have knucklehead Colts friends who swear with a straight face that he's the best QB in the league right now. It's like arguing with Fundamentalists with glazed eyes and itchy fingers on their machetes about doctrine and I blame that on the never-ending hype. Inaccurate and gets the yips in big games and didn't have a single above average performance against an above average team last year not named the Bengals.
I think the good news for us Jaguars fans is that this hype and dogma will work in our favor as nobody will survive long coaching in this mess here in Indy. Nobody will want to blame The Golden Boy for his mediocre play, especially since he's (legitimately) the most humbly understated and nicest guy in the world, and will always blame the coach for any of his failings. Combine that fact with an idiot GM in Ryan Grigson who makes Gene Smith look like a pool hustler and I'm seeing a much brighter future for us in Jax over the next ten years than what we previously thought. Grigson alone is a franchise killer.
Peyton used to make his awful Olines look fabulous....
He also made a star out of Austin Collie, Jacob Tamme, Garcon, scrubs anywhere else (well i guess Garcon is a solid #2)
Luck was hyped up to be the next big for sure once in a decade QB.
He shouldn't be this bad in year 3 or 4, I don't care what his Oline looks like or how many bad RBs they get.
Playing in the garbage dump known as the AFCS the past 3 seasons has gone a long way toward this hype of how great Luck is. Win/Loss records for Luck is really skewed because of this.
If he had played the past seasons in the AFCN or AFCW, the hype would be very limited, if any at all.
I don't care that he won a couple playoff games last year. After all, he faced arguably the WORST Playoff QBs of all time (Dalton, Manning). Those two are the biggest playoff chokers I've ever seen, and I've been watching NFL playoffs for more years than I care to remember.
I just hope the AFCS doesn't "forfeit" yet another division title and home playoff game to the Colts yet again.
Quote:There is no quarterback in the history of football who can overcome a bad offensive line.
Uhhh... P. Manning did it for years in Indy.
Rodgers did it a couple seasons ago when their Oline was a mess....
just sayin' the "elite" ones can...
Quote:just sayin' the "elite" ones can...
And Luck has the first 3 seasons.
It's been 2 games this season.
Quote:And Luck has the first 3 seasons.
It's been 2 games this season.
Ehhh.... I'm gonna have to err on the side of reality.
They've done nothing to improve the team around him, except giving him more targets to throw to.
In the previous years... he's been able to toss the rock, this year it seems the Oline is worse.
And he is making more mistakes, instead of elevating his game.
Here's my theory. He was a once-in-a-generation sure fire pick....
Who had already hit his ceiling in college.
A guy who carried his team until enough NFL tape was out there on him to know his tendencies... and now is being caught because the GM has not done enough to protect this sure fire QB.
I'm not saying Bortles is better than Luck......
I'm not saying Luck is a bad QB..
I'm just sayin....... not as advertised, imo.
Quote:In the previous years... he's been able to toss the rock, this year it seems the Oline is worse.
And he is making more mistakes, instead of elevating his game.
A guy who carried his team until enough NFL tape was out there on him to know his tendencies... and now is being caught because the GM has not done enough to protect this sure fire QB.
So... you agree with me?
Also, it takes 3 years to "have enough tape". Lol.
Quote:And Luck has the first 3 seasons.
It's been 2 games this season.
Luck's inability to be consistent throwing the ball mid to deep is not something new--it's been around all 3 years and never went away. For you to pretend his inaccuracy is just these first two games shows how inept you are to think objectively...
Also, welcome back... Thought you were gonna be gone for a week... LOL, kinda pathetic that you got your feelings hurt, and then decided to slink back here with your tail between your legs...
Anyhoo... Good to see you. Next time, if you get upset, just stop and walk away from the computer. Don't have a tantrum and claim you won't come back till next week...
Quote:There is no quarterback in the history of football who can overcome a bad offensive line.
Which is exactly what he's have claimed to have done since he entered the league.
Nothing has changed.
Quote:So... you agree with me?
Also, it takes 3 years to "have enough tape". Lol.
the tape comment was in reference to his stellar first year.
His rookie campaign had me believing he was the next Brady/Manning
And I know.. they made the playoffs and went deeper each year....
But fools gold is fools gold.
Had the AFCS been even half way competitive these past 3 seasons Luck is no shoe in for AFCS champ.
They've eeked in because of a lack of options from our division.
This dude was supposed to make people around him better. I'm not seeing it.
He's supposed to be a once in a lifetime pick...
He's closer to the Andy Dalton type than the Aaron Rodgers type...
he's closer to Bortles than he is Brady to be honest.....
and pre-draft and rookie year hype had this kid as the next big thing...
All I'm seeing is the next big beard.
In my best Denny Green voice.
HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS