Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Forums

Imagine if the Jets didn't beat the Rams in 2020. There's a good chance the Jags would have ended up with Zach Wilson and Travon Walker in back to back years.

(09-29-2023, 11:21 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly the same guy we now have, 2 years later.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sPCbt_BUio

Great video but you're going to make Flgatesnjags cry since it shows how good Evan Neal was.

---

(09-29-2023, 12:59 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 10:00 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Treyvon sucks. And yes, he will be compared to Hutchinson until he retires.

Screw Baalke.

Talk about an irrational overreaction!  He does not. His number of pressures (more important and a better indication of impact) is good. If you’re going to hate, hate on Baalke and Pederson for taking a premier lineman and going “Nope. We’re going to make him an outside linebacker.”  Not to mention, the coaching hasn’t developed him.

Travon will be fine. Deploy him and coach him correctly.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

(09-29-2023, 10:47 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]People are looking at the sacks stats like it's the most important.

Oline and Dline are doing the dirty job and it doesn't translate in the box scores. Too bad some the fans are not smart enough to understand it.

This guy gets it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

People only say stats don't matter when the stats show they lost.

(09-29-2023, 01:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 11:21 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly the same guy we now have, 2 years later.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sPCbt_BUio

Great video but you're going to make Flgatesnjags cry since it shows how good Evan Neal was.

---

(09-29-2023, 12:59 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about an irrational overreaction!  He does not. His number of pressures (more important and a better indication of impact) is good. If you’re going to hate, hate on Baalke and Pederson for taking a premier lineman and going “Nope. We’re going to make him an outside linebacker.”  Not to mention, the coaching hasn’t developed him.

Travon will be fine. Deploy him and coach him correctly.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

---

This guy gets it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

People only say stats don't matter when the stats show they lost.

Pressures are a stat…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

(09-29-2023, 02:03 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 01:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Great video but you're going to make Flgatesnjags cry since it shows how good Evan Neal was.

---

People only say stats don't matter when the stats show they lost.

Pressures are a stat…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hutchinson has at least 5 pressures in every game this season. How is Walker doing? I can't find a stat on him anywhere, but I bet it's not that high.

(09-29-2023, 02:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 02:03 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Pressures are a stat…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hutchinson has at least 5 pressures in every game this season. How is Walker doing? I can't find a stat on him anywhere, but I bet it's not that high.

Sadly not surprising, JAX has been one of the overall worst drafters in the league during Khan's tenure. Whenever the pick isn't painfully obvious (Trevor, Jalen Ramsey, Josh Allen), you can bet your bottom dollar the 'brain trust' will defy all common opinion and attempt to outsmart everyone else only to be left looking clueless after the fact.

In my opinion, drafting Walker over Hutch is a fireable offense. You are drafting #1 overall because you were the worst team in the league the previous year, how arrogant do you have to be to not take the consensus best player available? Or even worse, the possibility Baalke didn't draft Hutch #1 overall simply because he hates Harbaugh, which is mismanagement bordering on criminal.

(09-29-2023, 02:35 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 02:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Hutchinson has at least 5 pressures in every game this season. How is Walker doing? I can't find a stat on him anywhere, but I bet it's not that high.

Sadly not surprising, JAX has been one of the overall worst drafters in the league during Khan's tenure. Whenever the pick isn't painfully obvious (Trevor, Jalen Ramsey, Josh Allen), you can bet your bottom dollar the 'brain trust' will defy all common opinion and attempt to outsmart everyone else only to be left looking clueless after the fact.

In my opinion, drafting Walker over Hutch is a fireable offense. You are drafting #1 overall because you were the worst team in the league the previous year, how arrogant do you have to be to not take the consensus best player available? Or even worse, the possibility Baalke didn't draft Hutch #1 overall simply because he hates Harbaugh, which is mismanagement bordering on criminal.

If Walker doesn't turn it on by the end of the year taking Walker over Hutch is definitely a fireable offense especially when the owner wanted Hutch.  The owner isn't even a football guy and he knew Hutch was the pick to make

I didn't really want to bring this up but Taven Bryan has more sacks than Walker. Who do yall think ends up with more sacks at season end?

(09-29-2023, 01:40 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine if the Jets didn't beat the Rams in 2020.  There's a good chance the Jags would have ended up with Zach Wilson and Travon Walker in back to back years.

That is some evil thinkin' right there. Downright evil.

---

(09-29-2023, 02:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/PFF/status/1707817529119490390?s=20

That'll get the blood boiling.

LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

(09-29-2023, 04:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

It's not a hater when you are throwing out stats and facts.  I was one of the few that was high on Walker but that last game was embarrassing going against backups.  Even Doug said he was embarrassed by the last game.  We all hope he gets hot, he was the number 1 pick and needs to make some game changing plays.  The only way one will eat crow is if he turns out to be better than Hutch and I would love to eat crow on that.  If he doesn't then I guess you will eat it lol

(09-29-2023, 02:35 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 02:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Hutchinson has at least 5 pressures in every game this season. How is Walker doing? I can't find a stat on him anywhere, but I bet it's not that high.

Sadly not surprising, JAX has been one of the overall worst drafters in the league during Khan's tenure. Whenever the pick isn't painfully obvious (Trevor, Jalen Ramsey, Josh Allen), you can bet your bottom dollar the 'brain trust' will defy all common opinion and attempt to outsmart everyone else only to be left looking clueless after the fact.

In my opinion, drafting Walker over Hutch is a fireable offense. You are drafting #1 overall because you were the worst team in the league the previous year, how arrogant do you have to be to not take the consensus best player available? Or even worse, the possibility Baalke didn't draft Hutch #1 overall simply because he hates Harbaugh, which is mismanagement bordering on criminal.

Why'd you copy and paste a reddit comment instead of just linking to it or making the same point yourself?   Or is that your account?  Kind of weird to do if it's not your account.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/16...&context=3

(09-29-2023, 04:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

.... and remind me, how does a DE with 1 bull rush move actually "get hot"?  I mean, the dude is not a 3-point shooter.  It's not like he's going to just get in the zone unless perhaps he takes the Lawrence Taylor route and does a few lines of coke prior to kickoff.

.... wonder if we should have kept Tebow at TE.  Perhaps he would have gotten hot once the regular season kicked off.

(09-29-2023, 05:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 04:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

It's not a hater when you are throwing out stats and facts.  I was one of the few that was high on Walker but that last game was embarrassing going against backups.  Even Doug said he was embarrassed by the last game.  We all hope he gets hot, he was the number 1 pick and needs to make some game changing plays.  The only way one will eat crow is if he turns out to be better than Hutch and I would love to eat crow on that.  If you doesn't then I guess you will eat it lol

Yes - stats and "facts" are great.

I don't have a problem with that.

The idiots who want people fired before a draft pick gets halfway through his second season are the haters I have a beef with. 

You've been around long enough to see how stupid it is to prematurely write guys off only to see them turn a corner and play really well.

Now - since you brought up facts:
You're all over the board throwing out unsubstantiated rumors about who wanted to pick Walker and who didn't
Those are not facts, pal. Just garbage internet rumor-mill crap. You don't know [BLEEP] about who wanted him, who wanted him more or less than the next guy, and if there were ever actually ever any dissenting opinions within ownership or the executive level. You're just spreading rumors. 

Also - I find it absolutely [BLEEP] hilarious that you want to compare Taven Bryan to Walker while bashing Walker!

The second and third years that Bryan was here you posted in the preseason:
"This is the year Taven breaks out!" Each year. 
 LOL

Funny the guy with "gatur" in his handle doesn't take a similar approach to a UGA bulldog, huh? 

Anyway - I'm going to keep being patient about the guy who we knew would take time to develop while you lot tar and feather the front office, OK?

(09-29-2023, 05:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 04:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

.... and remind me, how does a DE with 1 bull rush move actually "get hot"?  I mean, the dude is not a 3-point shooter.  It's not like he's going to just get in the zone unless perhaps he takes the Lawrence Taylor route and does a few lines of coke prior to kickoff.

.... wonder if we should have kept Tebow at TE.  Perhaps he would have gotten hot once the regular season kicked off.

There's gotta be about 300 posts on the board by now stating that he needs to develop an arsenal of pass rush technique. (specifically - most state his hand technique as he isn't shedding blocks with his hands the way better pass rushers are) 

So - The obvious answer is developing more than just a bullrush. 

But please, go ahead and give up on a number one pick after 20 games. You'll either turn out right or wrong - but you can be certain that you arrived at the conclusion too quickly either way.  
*shrug* 

I have no idea if he'll turn out to be anything remotely worthy of a number one pick, I'm just way more comfortable stating that than giving up on a talented athlete prematurely when his scouting report was chock full of "what position should he play?" and "will need time to adapt to a dedicated role in an NFL defense" etc etc

(09-29-2023, 05:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 05:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a hater when you are throwing out stats and facts.  I was one of the few that was high on Walker but that last game was embarrassing going against backups.  Even Doug said he was embarrassed by the last game.  We all hope he gets hot, he was the number 1 pick and needs to make some game changing plays.  The only way one will eat crow is if he turns out to be better than Hutch and I would love to eat crow on that.  If you doesn't then I guess you will eat it lol

Yes - stats and "facts" are great.

I don't have a problem with that.

The idiots who want people fired before a draft pick gets halfway through his second season are the haters I have a beef with. 

You've been around long enough to see how stupid it is to prematurely write guys off only to see them turn a corner and play really well.

Now - since you brought up facts:
You're all over the board throwing out unsubstantiated rumors about who wanted to pick Walker and who didn't
Those are not facts, pal. Just garbage internet rumor-mill crap. You don't know [BLEEP] about who wanted him, who wanted him more or less than the next guy, and if there were ever actually ever any dissenting opinions within ownership or the executive level. You're just spreading rumors. 

Also - I find it absolutely [BLEEP] hilarious that you want to compare Taven Bryan to Walker while bashing Walker!

The second and third years that Bryan was here you posted in the preseason:
"This is the year Taven breaks out!" Each year. 
 LOL

Funny the guy with "gatur" in his handle doesn't take a similar approach to a UGA bulldog, huh? 

Anyway - I'm going to keep being patient about the guy who we knew would take time to develop while you lot tar and feather the front office, OK?

I guess i missed where i seen anyone that wanted him fired, who said that?  Can you show me where I said the rumors about who wanted Walker were facts Pal?  Oh yeah, you can't.  All we can go by though is the rumors from multiple reports but it all made sense.  Bryan was a Gator but I hated that pick, he never even really did anything at Florida. On Bryan though, he was a late first round pick and Walker was the 1st overall pick.  The 2nd year is usually when players take off and it was very concerning last week when we played the team with the most sacks given up and a team with a oline thats already not that good and had 4 of 5 back ups playing and our defense got owned.  If you draft a player first overall he is a guy that should stand out and make some type of play against trash backups, hes not a rookie.  Hopefully this is the week where the light bulb turns on for him.  Im really starting to question our positon coaches for not having these guys ready or developing these players.  Weren't you one of the ones saying its the players not the coaches though?  Its one or the other or both.  Which one is it?

(09-29-2023, 02:03 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 01:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Great video but you're going to make Flgatesnjags cry since it shows how good Evan Neal was.

---

People only say stats don't matter when the stats show they lost.

Pressures are a stat…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, and through 3 games, Hutch had 3 times as many pressures as Walker.

You guys are so sensitive.

As a pass rusher? Sorry but Treyvon sucks (so far at least)
Overall? I guess he is ok (disappointing for a #1 pick though)
Hutch has proven to be much better right now and he has shown that the whole time, it's isnt just about the sacks. Actually, I think the ones talking about the sacks are the ones that have not seen Hutch play, he has been much better than Treyvon
Can Treyvon improve and be better than Hutch? I guess, I hope so! but I also doubt it.

https://youtu.be/5AYcSMsIA1w?si=xGMc14LGr_8-TAI-

---

(09-29-2023, 06:12 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 02:03 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Pressures are a stat…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, and through 3 games, Hutch had 3 times as many pressures as Walker.

Whats crazy to me is PFF has him as the 92nd out of 104 edge defenders against the run.  That was supposed to be one of his strengths.  Man I hope something clicks for him in London in a good way.

(09-29-2023, 06:20 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/5AYcSMsIA1w?si=xGMc14LGr_8-TAI-

---

(09-29-2023, 06:12 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, and through 3 games, Hutch had 3 times as many pressures as Walker.

Whats crazy to me is PFF has him as the 92nd out of 104 edge defenders against the run.  That was supposed to be one of his strengths.  Man I hope something clicks for him in London in a good way.

The Jaguars' 2022 draft looks to be on the same level as the Jaguars' 2008 draft.

It's [BLEEP].

And I'm not getting any warm fuzzy feelings from the '23 draft so far, either.