Listening to Prisco and Boselli right now. I don’t often agree with Pete. But the two of them are right about Walker. Put 20 pounds on him and let him be a down lineman. He could be Calais-esque (not necessarily Calais). He’s just not an edge rusher. An
It’s on the front office for drafting him to try to make him that.
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(10-21-2023, 10:19 AM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Would Calais or Buckner be considered a disappointment? He can be that guy if we just let him lol
He could also be Derrick Harvey lol
(10-21-2023, 10:47 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Idk, I saw him getting plenty of push on Thursday and remember thinking that Carr was getting the ball out extremely quickly.
I do think lining him up elsewhere is a good idea. Just like they do with smoot sometimes. Get Travon and Smoot inside with Chaisson and Allen outside. Like the old “lightning package” under Bradley. I’m obvious pass situations.
Yeah Carr was checking down almost every play, and when he wasn't he was yelling at his WR to run under his overthrows
(10-21-2023, 02:42 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2023, 10:06 AM)Jagger Wrote: [ -> ]I wish we could have that Draft over. Every time I watch Aiden Hutchinson make a sick I throw up a little more in my mouth. As bad as Urban Meyer was, at least he got the 2021 First Round right.
In regards to Hutchinson, I really wanted him and was upset when Baalke took Walker. You don't risk the #1 overall pick on a project particularly when there's a proven commodity. Can you imagine how good this defense would be if we had Hutchinson right now?
In regards to Meyer, I know it will be unpopular with many because Meyer is the devil, but I noticed this as well. I wonder if our great Day 1 and 2 of the 2021 draft was due to Meyer. I admit Trevor was a no brainer, but getting ETN, Tyson Campbell, Walker Little and Cisco are great picks. I'm aware Meyer wanted Toney instead of ETN, but no GM is perfect. He did want ETN among those who were available and it was a great pick.
I know it's still early, but as of right now, it's as if the quality of our drafts dropped starting on Day 3 of the 2021 draft and Baalke has not done a great job since then. Head coaches often have significant influence over the early part of the draft, but then rely on the GM and scouts for Day 3 which could explain why it fell off on Day 3 of 2021. Baalke then had no Urban Meyer in 2022 and 2023. It's only a theory, but there does appear to be a correlation there. Our good picks in 2021 might be the result of Meyer's influence.
considering he didn't know who Aaron Donald was, consider me skeptical that Urbs knew much beyond "That Tlaw kid is good" and "Toney played at UF? He got to be a star!"
(10-23-2023, 05:48 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Listening to Prisco and Boselli right now. I don’t often agree with Pete. But the two of them are right about Walker. Put 20 pounds on him and let him be a down lineman. He could be Calais-esque (not necessarily Calais). He’s just not an edge rusher. An
It’s on the front office for drafting him to try to make him that.
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I watch them all the time. I have to disagree. I wouldn’t want Walker to lose any speed or explosion by gaining all that weight. He will get it together, and the sacks will come in bunches.
Ok game from Treyvon but still not impressed.
Kayvon Thibodeaux has 8.5 sacks already btw...
walker and allen would both have 3 or 4 sacks each, but instead they got holding calls, and the inside pocket hasn't collapsed enough to make the QB move off the spot. if you are watching the games and don't see that Walker is really good. he might not be a natural OLB, but the QBs are getting the ball out quick cause pressure is there. no different than what we do with Trevor at times.
we won 5 in a row, no complaining here.
(10-30-2023, 10:21 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Ok game from Treyvon but still not impressed.
Kayvon Thibodeaux has 8.5 sacks already btw...
I just hate this comparisson that people make "so-so have 100 sacks already" ( not hating on the person posting this BTW). There is no garantee that any player would have the same production here, that they have anywere else, besides, it's a team sport at the end of the day, you don't draft a player to adjust the scheme around him(unless it's a QB), you draft a player that better fit your scheme. We drafted Travon because Caldwell wanted him, and now his defence is playing Lights out, I couldn't care less if Hutchinson is getting 14 sacks, even with all this production they ( the Lions) didn't even made the playoffs last year.
Fans are impatient and I get that, but Walker is trending up.
Hopefully he keeps doing so. I'm enjoying the progress albeit slow.
Thibodeaux's got 8.5 sacks on a 2 - 6 ball club...
(10-30-2023, 03:25 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Thibodeaux's got 8.5 sacks on a 2 - 6 ball club...
And I’d still rather have Walker. Wouldn’t want Thibs near my team unless he was the 2nd coming of LT.
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Id rather Walker than Thibs. Walker had a good game yesterday
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...10-1A&s=19
26th now in pressures. Good to see. He's getting there. It's coming.
26th in pressures is really good. There's 32 teams with a pair of DE's on each team, so that's 64 starters there, this also includes outside linebackers, another 64 starters. Then you get your rotational guys, etc.
So, realistically. 26th in total pressures through 8 games in a pool of 128 total players is pretty damn good. He's getting closer to converting those into sacks.
This is similar to how Josh Allen started off. High pressures, low sack totals. Eventually they hit home and convert. Good [BLEEP].
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(10-31-2023, 10:42 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...10-1A&s=19
26th now in pressures. Good to see. He's getting there. It's coming.
26th in pressures is really good. There's 32 teams with a pair of DE's on each team, so that's 64 starters there, this also includes outside linebackers, another 64 starters. Then you get your rotational guys, etc.
So, realistically. 26th in total pressures through 8 games in a pool of 128 total players is pretty damn good. He's getting closer to converting those into sacks.
This is similar to how Josh Allen started off. High pressures, low sack totals. Eventually they hit home and convert. Good [BLEEP].
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I guess that's why we're not hearing anything today on a possible trade. I hope the optimists are correct regarding Walker and his potential as a pass rusher. The only problem I have with the comparison to Josh Allen is that Allen demonstrated his pass rush abilities in college when he recorded 17 sacks his last season at Kentucky. Walker, on the other hand, had a total of 9.5 sacks during his 3 years at Georgia. We know he wasn't utilized primarily as a pass rusher at Georgia, but to assume that he would become a great pass rusher was a mistake on draft day. His growth between seasons 1 and 2 has not been significant enough to prove the skeptics wrong at this time.
(10-31-2023, 11:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/RyanGreen1010XL/stat...27084?s=20
I was watching Hutchinson off and on last night in their win against the Raiders. He's getting tee'd off on big time. On one play a guard peeled back and hit him so hard he was knocked off screen.
They need to get him some help out there. Apparently Aaron Glenn doesn't like to call a ton of blitzes in general but he was sending the house at times against them last night and it paid off with six sacks.
Still, that's a really impressive stat line and I didn't expect to see that. This will continue to bode well for Walker and the debate about who we should have chosen.
I really hope he's fixing to turn the corner though. Maybe a good bye week to mentally get a break and physically recover can allow him to replay a few moments from these first eight weeks in his head and he can begin contemplating on maybe incorporating this move in that situation or that move in this situation, etc.
He is getting better though. It's a fact. He's not stalling out so that's always a positive.
(10-31-2023, 11:37 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 10:42 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...10-1A&s=19
26th now in pressures. Good to see. He's getting there. It's coming.
26th in pressures is really good. There's 32 teams with a pair of DE's on each team, so that's 64 starters there, this also includes outside linebackers, another 64 starters. Then you get your rotational guys, etc.
So, realistically. 26th in total pressures through 8 games in a pool of 128 total players is pretty damn good. He's getting closer to converting those into sacks.
This is similar to how Josh Allen started off. High pressures, low sack totals. Eventually they hit home and convert. Good [BLEEP].
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I guess that's why we're not hearing anything today on a possible trade. I hope the optimists are correct regarding Walker and his potential as a pass rusher. The only problem I have with the comparison to Josh Allen is that Allen demonstrated his pass rush abilities in college when he recorded 17 sacks his last season at Kentucky. Walker, on the other hand, had a total of 9.5 sacks during his 3 years at Georgia. We know he wasn't utilized primarily as a pass rusher at Georgia, but to assume that he would become a great pass rusher was a mistake on draft day. His growth between seasons 1 and 2 has not been significant enough to prove the skeptics wrong at this time.
Goes back to a few points myself and others have made since last year. I am a Bulldogs fan. I watched him during their title run. He shines and he's at his absolute best when he's playing inside and tasked with specifically engaging and attacking the guard/center directly or working those specific gaps.
He would also make some splash plays in coverages when asked to drop back, read and react. He's got good instincts overall, he's shown that in the NFL already where he's engaged his blockers, peeled back and ran down a ball carrier or two. I think this is where the team got it wrong with him in by putting him into an outside backer role.
Using him to stand upright more often than not off the edge, further away from the QB, where he's clearly more of a strength guy that just wants to get to work like a blunt force object, instead of using techniques, speed, leverage, spin moves, etc. I think that's where they went wrong with him as a rookie.
Caldwell has started changing it up a bit with him though and he's doing some of this now in those 5 - 2 hybrid looks. As far as moving inside. I think as Smoot and Hamilton get involved it will allow some more opportunities for Walker to get what he needs done off the edge. All he needs is one or two big games where he gets 2.0+ sacks and it changes everything people think about him in this fanbase.
Just keep an eye out on him when they get back from this bye week though. I am telling you. He's overdue for a monster game. It's coming.
There's been a change in his success rates the last 2 or 3 games.
At the start of the season, he was constantly rushing so wide that he was going way past the QB. But it looks like he's finally figuring out how to use leverage in in bull rushing, or maybe it's the location of where he's beginning to engage the Tackle that is allowing him to really begin to push and get closer to the QB on his edge rushes.
Against the squeelers, he was all over the place. He was causing pressure in passing plays and he was sniffing out misdirection rushing plays. There was one specific play in the 3rd quarter where it looked like they were going to pass it, but they did a delay draw to the RB. Walker who was on the edge engaged the Tackle, but didn't actually rush in and waited to see if the RB was gonna get the ball. Sure enough, Picket handed the ball off to the RB, but TRAVON was right there to kill the play. If Walker had just went blindly into a pass rush, the RB would have had a free 10 to 15 yards.
I was pretty down on Walker about 5 to 6 weeks ago. But if he keeps improving like he has the last 3 weeks... the sky's the limit.