(10-02-2023, 11:52 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Allen gets double teamed that doesn’t mean Travon will get less attention than he’s getting now.
He’s not getting doubled now.
I don’t care about what the other players are doing.
Travon needs to have a stat line that gives him about 8 sacks this year. If he does that I’ll continue to be cautiously optimistic.
5 sacks or less would be extremely disappointing
Through 4 games he has 2 sacks.
2 x 17/4 = 8.5
(10-01-2023, 12:52 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 12:47 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]He's not good, plain and simple.
He kept running himself out of a play constantly and the O-lineman would just use his momentum against him to push him past the QB or RB.
And I genuinely think he had ZERO pass rush presence today - I'll happily stand corrected if he had at least one play but I don't recall one today at all. Thankfully Josh Allen stepped up today along with RRH and the interior though.
It's becoming clear that he's not IT and is quite possibly a bust.
Walker had a sack in the 1st quarter but he still ain’t good.
Hey, he’s better than Chaisson.
(10-03-2023, 06:03 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2023, 11:52 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Allen gets double teamed that doesn’t mean Travon will get less attention than he’s getting now.
He’s not getting doubled now.
I don’t care about what the other players are doing.
Travon needs to have a stat line that gives him about 8 sacks this year. If he does that I’ll continue to be cautiously optimistic.
5 sacks or less would be extremely disappointing
Through 4 games he has 2 sacks.
2 x 17/4 = 8.5
I think he'll have at least one big game this year with 3+ sacks. It's bound to happen.
(10-01-2023, 12:47 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]He's not good, plain and simple.
He kept running himself out of a play constantly and the O-lineman would just use his momentum against him to push him past the QB or RB.
And I genuinely think he had ZERO pass rush presence today - I'll happily stand corrected if he had at least one play but I don't recall one today at all. Thankfully Josh Allen stepped up today along with RRH and the interior though.
It's becoming clear that he's not IT and is quite possibly a bust.
I think you're crazy. He's a good player. Was he the best player in his draft class? So far, no. But a bust? Maybe you and I define "bust" differently. I've seen many busts who were drafted at or near the top of the draft, and he is about as far from a bust as you can get. Right now, he is a good player. He's big, strong, fast, and disruptive. He'll get better with experience, because he has all the tools.
By the way, he was credited with a sack against the Falcons.
(10-03-2023, 06:18 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 12:52 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Walker had a sack in the 1st quarter but he still ain’t good.
Hey, he’s better than Chaisson.
You can't say that until we see whether or not Walker can contribute on special teams.
(10-03-2023, 06:18 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 12:52 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Walker had a sack in the 1st quarter but he still ain’t good.
Hey, he’s better than Chaisson.
Walker is basically Alualu at a different position. Decent role player with a long term future in the NFL at a very moderate salary. However, some team may still pay high $$ on his 2nd contract since he will still be relatively young and still be considered to have upside.
(10-03-2023, 09:26 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2023, 06:18 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, he’s better than Chaisson.
Walker is basically Alualu at a different position. Decent role player with a long term future in the NFL at a very moderate salary. However, some team may still pay high $$ on his 2nd contract since he will still be relatively young and still be considered to have upside.
He will end up being much better than Alualu. Tyson was just a guy you could trust to hold down the line and was okay against the run.. he never had any real pass rush ability.
Walker is progressing nicely.
2022: 788 snaps, 3,5 sacks
2023: 164 snaps, 2 sacks.
(10-02-2023, 01:06 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2023, 06:16 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are so sensitive.
As a pass rusher? Sorry but Treyvon sucks (so far at least)
Overall? I guess he is ok (disappointing for a #1 pick though)
Hutch has proven to be much better right now and he has shown that the whole time, it's isnt just about the sacks. Actually, I think the ones talking about the sacks are the ones that have not seen Hutch play, he has been much better than Treyvon
Can Treyvon improve and be better than Hutch? I guess, I hope so! but I also doubt it.
The thing I'm curious about as the season unfolds...
Hutch is killing it, will he still kill it as double teams and gameplans shift based on where he's lined up? Does anyone else on that roster benefit from the extra attention Hutch draws?
I am already assuming Allen is our disruptor. If offenses shift in similar fashion, does Walker see an increase in his stats?
When we had Calais, Allen took advantage. Now, Allen is the Calais. It's Walker's turn to get the single-teams and secondary focus. Seize the opportunity!
I know Calais isn't quite what he use to be, but I think he would of been a great addition this past off season to help the younger guys, especially Walker.
(10-03-2023, 06:03 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2023, 11:52 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Allen gets double teamed that doesn’t mean Travon will get less attention than he’s getting now.
He’s not getting doubled now.
I don’t care about what the other players are doing.
Travon needs to have a stat line that gives him about 8 sacks this year. If he does that I’ll continue to be cautiously optimistic.
5 sacks or less would be extremely disappointing
Through 4 games he has 2 sacks.
2 x 17/4 = 8.5
You have a strange way to do math ....
2/4*17=8.5
(10-03-2023, 09:26 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2023, 06:18 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, he’s better than Chaisson.
Walker is basically Alualu at a different position. Decent role player with a long term future in the NFL at a very moderate salary. However, some team may still pay high $$ on his 2nd contract since he will still be relatively young and still be considered to have upside.
I think Fowler is the better example. Early pick with all the expectations to produce big sack numbers. Not horrible, just...a contributor. Not a featured player (thusfar). I agree that he'll have a similar career, too, meandering from team to team, playing his part and helping the D overall, yet never being a headline-grabbing star.
I don't know what you guys are watching. Travon is a durn good football player. He will continue to get better.
(10-03-2023, 03:12 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what you guys are watching. Travon is a durn good football player. He will continue to get better.
All joking aside, he *is* a pretty good player, very physically gifted and he’ll improve but he probably will never be a great pass rusher or make a pro bowl which, given his draft position, will be a disappointment. That sounds a whole lot like Alualu to me.
He's a good football player. That's the problem. The NFL has a ton of good football players.
However, when you take a player at the very top of his class? You're looking for a great football player.
A cornerstone player. A franchise player. A tone setter. A fortune changing player. He has shown very, very little flashes of brilliance so far.
The longer he struggles. The more dimmer that hope becomes. I don't fault him though. Nor do I hate him. He didn't ask to be drafted here.
If he fails? I fault the front office, the coaching staff and ownership for not getting the pick of the litter correct in 2022.
They had months to plan, prepare, narrow down, wheel and deal, analyze, second guess, reaffirm, reevaluate, look at the metrics, etc.
At the end of all of that? So far? They got it wrong.
Which is nothing new here in Jacksonville. This team has blundered countless top 5, 10 draft picks since I was a kid. We're probably one of the worst teams over the last three decades when it comes to getting it right.
Leftwich over Suggs.
Alualu over Pierre-Paul.
Gabbert over Watt.
Henderson over Wirfs.
Chaisson over Jefferson.
Fournette over McCaffrey.
Fowler over Williams.
Blackmon over Kuechly.
List goes on and on.
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(10-02-2023, 11:52 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Allen gets double teamed that doesn’t mean Travon will get less attention than he’s getting now.
He’s not getting doubled now.
I don’t care about what the other players are doing.
Travon needs to have a stat line that gives him about 8 sacks this year. If he does that I’ll continue to be cautiously optimistic.
5 sacks or less would be extremely disappointing
Travon is most definitely getting doubled. Maybe not on every play, but I make it a point to try and watch him on every snap and he is seeing plenty of double teams.
(10-03-2023, 05:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a good football player. That's the problem. The NFL has a ton of good football players.
However, when you take a player at the very top of his class? You're looking for a great football player.
A cornerstone player. A franchise player. A tone setter. A fortune changing player. He has shown very, very little flashes of brilliance so far.
The longer he struggles. The more dimmer that hope becomes. I don't fault him though. Nor do I hate him. He didn't ask to be drafted here.
If he fails? I fault the front office, the coaching staff and ownership for not getting the pick of the litter correct in 2022.
They had months to plan, prepare, narrow down, wheel and deal, analyze, second guess, reaffirm, reevaluate, look at the metrics, etc.
At the end of all of that? So far? They got it wrong.
Which is nothing new here in Jacksonville. This team has blundered countless top 5, 10 draft picks since I was a kid. We're probably one of the worst teams over the last three decades when it comes to getting it right.
Leftwich over Suggs.
Alualu over Pierre-Paul.
Gabbert over Watt.
Henderson over Wirfs.
Chaisson over Jefferson.
Fournette over McCaffrey.
Fowler over Williams.
Blackmon over Kuechly.
List goes on and on.
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[BLEEP] that list is depressing lol
How many of those are Baalkie-Peterson?
(10-03-2023, 08:15 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]How many of those are Baalkie-Peterson?
Baalke was here when they took Henderson and Jefferson.
He's had some decent success. Just not sure what all was truly his decision making wise.
Lawrence was a no brainer. I think Meyer had his input on Etienne. We landed Little, Campbell and Cisco in one draft.
Harrison could turn out to be a good RT. Jury still out on Walker, Lloyd and Fortner though.
Can't think of anybody else noteworthy that he's drafted though.
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(10-03-2023, 07:38 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2023, 05:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a good football player. That's the problem. The NFL has a ton of good football players.
However, when you take a player at the very top of his class? You're looking for a great football player.
A cornerstone player. A franchise player. A tone setter. A fortune changing player. He has shown very, very little flashes of brilliance so far.
The longer he struggles. The more dimmer that hope becomes. I don't fault him though. Nor do I hate him. He didn't ask to be drafted here.
If he fails? I fault the front office, the coaching staff and ownership for not getting the pick of the litter correct in 2022.
They had months to plan, prepare, narrow down, wheel and deal, analyze, second guess, reaffirm, reevaluate, look at the metrics, etc.
At the end of all of that? So far? They got it wrong.
Which is nothing new here in Jacksonville. This team has blundered countless top 5, 10 draft picks since I was a kid. We're probably one of the worst teams over the last three decades when it comes to getting it right.
Leftwich over Suggs.
Alualu over Pierre-Paul.
Gabbert over Watt.
Henderson over Wirfs.
Chaisson over Jefferson.
Fournette over McCaffrey.
Fowler over Williams.
Blackmon over Kuechly.
List goes on and on.
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[BLEEP] that list is depressing lol
Very. It explains why this franchise has only seen the play off's four times since the year 2000. 2005, 2007, 2017 & 2022.
We were gifted Lawrence. Just not sure this front office and coaching staff will do enough fast enough at the right time to win it all.
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Seems like Walker might be playing a little smarter this year. Its still early, but we aren't seeing any of the silly penalties from last year. Progression is key.
(10-03-2023, 03:12 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what you guys are watching. Travon is a durn good football player. He will continue to get better.
Travon
is a good football player.
It's just when you have your pick of the darft, you want a GREAT football player. Still waiting on greatness. How long do we hold out hope?
(10-04-2023, 08:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2023, 03:12 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what you guys are watching. Travon is a durn good football player. He will continue to get better.
Travon is a good football player.
It's just when you have your pick of the darft, you want a GREAT football player. Still waiting on greatness. How long do we hold out hope?
I think he's going to be a really good football player, much better than a lot of other overall #1 picks, and if he's not as good as the #2 overall pick, it won't be by much.
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