(11-06-2023, 08:46 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 02:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Some really good tape there on Walker against Pittsburgh. He was absorbing several double teams and chip blocks throughout the course of the game. He was also running quite a few stunts back inside. He was around Pickett a lot and very disruptive in regards to making him get rid of the football or at times even flushing towards Allen and away from him.
I think I would like to see him taking less of those wide approaches though. He seems to often times get blanketed in those stances. The further away he is from the pocket, the less impactful he is. That could also be by design though and it's intentional. So, no harm or foul. Been saying it though. He's overdue for a monster game and it's possible he gets it this Sunday against the 49ers.
I don't think all of those were calling for him to rush the passer either as at least in a few of the clips it looked like he was more interested in setting the edge and containing than necessarily getting to Pickett.
Agreed. There were a number of plays where he sat or hovered at the line of scrimmage. Almost anticipating an underneath throw or screen.
He's pretty smart and it shows at times. I think he's going to turn the corner soon this year in the pass rushing department though. Can't wait.
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Travon is developing quite well. He is in firm control of his area of responsibility on the field..
(11-06-2023, 02:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Some really good tape there on Walker against Pittsburgh. He was absorbing several double teams and chip blocks throughout the course of the game. He was also running quite a few stunts back inside. He was around Pickett a lot and very disruptive in regards to making him get rid of the football or at times even flushing towards Allen and away from him.
I think I would like to see him taking less of those wide approaches though. He seems to often times get blanketed in those stances. The further away he is from the pocket, the less impactful he is. That could also be by design though and it's intentional. So, no harm or foul. Been saying it though. He's overdue for a monster game and it's possible he gets it this Sunday against the 49ers.
Trying to use him like Jason Babin in that wide 9. I like that for him honestly. Hopefully Walker dominates McKitvitz Sunday.
(11-10-2023, 02:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/JVillainsPod/status/...10340?s=20
Hutchinson crowd here has been awfully quiet lately....
Dude is passing the eye test too.
Travon has been looking good for the last 4 games. He's ripping up the wrapping on almost every play, run or pass. Dude, if he could show out on Sunday, oh man... That would be so sweet! He deserves a huge game. He's clearly putting in the work.
Travon is better then Aidan at everything except pass rushing for now soon he will be better at that too.
(11-11-2023, 10:41 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Travon is better then Aidan at everything except pass rushing for now soon he will be better at that too.
Hutch is very good against the run as well. Lions run D is just as good as ours although we are better now with Hamilton back and Hutch is good in coverage as well. He already has 4 ints in his short career as a edge rusher which is insane. Walker and Hutch are both playing very good right now
(11-11-2023, 10:41 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Travon is better then Aidan at everything except pass rushing for now soon he will be better at that too.
And if Hutch was a Jag you'd be saying Hutch is a Pro bowl player and you would laugh at Lions fans who say "Walker is better than Aidan at everything except pass rushing".
Aidan is better atm and it not really close.
Travon is moving in the right direction. I still think Aidan was the better player last year and he's been the better player so far this year. They're both key components to their respective teams. Also, as cited numerous times. I don't fault Travon's slow development or inability to consistently sack the QB chiefly on him.
I put that on personnel management, the evaluator's and coaching staff. Also, in fairness to Aidan. Much like Allen here in Jacksonville. There's nobody opposite of him that scares you off the edge that takes some of the pressure off of him. We immediately know this now as a team, they were linked to trade attempts for Hunter last year and earlier this year, they were linked to that Patriots edge rusher as well.
That, in and of itself, somewhat admits failure in getting the pick right initially with Walker. So, there's that I guess...
Yeah, Hutch is a better player right now but Walker has played good football during this win streak we currently have. Hopefully he continues to improve his play as the season goes on and by time the playoffs are here he is a game changer opposite Allen
Walker has the ability to make game changing and game breaking plays. Hopefully we start to see those plays soon and there couldn't be a better time than if he made some of those tomorrow
Statistically Walker is right there with Hutch as a rusher and av much better run defender. I think end of next year is clear we took the right guy
(11-11-2023, 12:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, Hutch is a better player right now but Walker has played good football during this win streak we currently have. Hopefully he continues to improve his play as the season goes on and by time the playoffs are here he is a game changer opposite Allen
Walker has the ability to make game changing and game breaking plays. Hopefully we start to see those plays soon and there couldn't be a better time than if he made some of those tomorrow
I believe travon knows how to read the field very well
I'd like to see him develop some further moves when he takes those wide routes , cause atm when he does that he just gets snuffed.
Looking forward to seeing his progression further
(11-11-2023, 03:30 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Statistically Walker is right there with Hutch as a rusher and av much better run defender. I think end of next year is clear we took the right guy
Yeah, Hutch 14 sacks vs Walker 7 sacks is almost the same...
Walker 71 tackles
Hutchinson 75 tackles but of course Hutchinson tackles are after the RB already gained 10 yards lol
(11-11-2023, 04:13 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2023, 03:30 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Statistically Walker is right there with Hutch as a rusher and av much better run defender. I think end of next year is clear we took the right guy
Yeah, Hutch 14 sacks vs Walker 7 sacks is almost the same...
Walker 71 tackles
Hutchinson 75 tackles but of course Hutchinson tackles are after the RB already gained 10 yards lol
4.5 to 3.5 this year…. But keep the bias. Hutchinson was supposed to be a finished product coming out, Walker wasn’t. You’d think he’d be further ahead this year than one measley sack if he was superior.
Hutch is a good run defender. Wallet is simply elite there already.
Travon has played better of late (excluding the Saints game). Still not a disruptive pass rusher but we have seen him use something other than a bull rush to get pressure. That is something I've hammered him on earlier this year because we hadn't seen it.
(11-11-2023, 04:28 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2023, 04:13 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, Hutch 14 sacks vs Walker 7 sacks is almost the same...
Walker 71 tackles
Hutchinson 75 tackles but of course Hutchinson tackles are after the RB already gained 10 yards lol
4.5 to 3.5 this year…. But keep the
(11-11-2023, 04:28 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ][quote="iHaunting Raven" pid="1580759" dateline="1699733596"]
Yeah, Hutch 14 sacks vs Walker 7 sacks is almost the same...
Walker 71 tackles
Hutchinson 75 tackles but of course Hutchinson tackles are after the RB already gained 10 yards lol
4.5 to 3.5 this year…. But keep the bias. Hutchinson was supposed to be a finished product coming out, Walker wasn’t. You’d think he’d be further ahead this year than one measley sack if he was superior.
Hutch is a good run defender. Wallet is simply elite there already.
Hutch was supposed to be a finished product by who? You? Lol. Hutch wouldn't of sniffed the first round if teams thought he was a finished product. That would of been horrendous scouting and no faith in your coaches ability if one felt that way lol.
(11-11-2023, 05:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2023, 04:28 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]4.5 to 3.5 this year…. But keep the
4.5 to 3.5 this year…. But keep the bias. Hutchinson was supposed to be a finished product coming out, Walker wasn’t. You’d think he’d be further ahead this year than one measley sack if he was superior.
Hutch is a good run defender. Wallet is simply elite there already.
Hutch was supposed to be a finished product by who? You? Lol. Hutch wouldn't of sniffed the first round if teams thought he was a finished product. That would of been horrendous scouting and no faith in your coaches ability if one felt that way lol.
Hutch wasn’t a project by any means. He was billed as a pro ready polished rusher.
Sorry your memory sucks.
(11-11-2023, 05:35 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2023, 05:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hutch was supposed to be a finished product by who? You? Lol. Hutch wouldn't of sniffed the first round if teams thought he was a finished product. That would of been horrendous scouting and no faith in your coaches ability if one felt that way lol.
Hutch wasn’t a project by any means. He was billed as a pro ready polished rusher.
Sorry your memory sucks.
My memory is just fine. Yes he was pro ready and thats a good thing, thats what you want when you take a player 1st overall. You can be Pro ready and not be a finished product, thats usually what you take with the first couple picks especially if its not a QB. Hutch was far from a finished product. Teams aren't going to take a player that high if they feel hes a finished product, not to mention the consensus number 1 overall pick. You are the only one or one of the very few that thought he was a finished product.
(11-11-2023, 05:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2023, 05:35 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Hutch wasn’t a project by any means. He was billed as a pro ready polished rusher.
Sorry your memory sucks.
My memory is just fine. Yes he was pro ready and thats a good thing, thats what you want when you take a player 1st overall. You can be Pro ready and not be a finished product, thats usually what you take with the first couple picks especially if its not a QB. Hutch was far from a finished product. Teams aren't going to take a player that high if they feel hes a finished product, not to mention the consensus number 1 overall pick. You are the only one or one of the very few that thought he was a finished product.
Eh doesn’t sound like it’s too good then. Lot of folks questioned if he had much room for develop in the league.
They had the same questions about Manning. Turned out okay I’d think.