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(10-02-2023, 05:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/eXcO_ASXt5k?si=KCktyLB2VqMLTDtI

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Actually, from looking at that video, he's playing a lot better than I thought.

(10-02-2023, 05:27 AM)Holger Wrote: [ -> ]nice video! He had one good rush on the 4th down, very timely. He gets push when we runs right at the tackle, when he goes outside he is out of the play almost all of the time and when he cuts inside is when he has the best rushes, it seems, just not quite good enough to get a hit.

That's my takeaway as well. I think he needs to either work on getting a better feel in general or learn how to cut back inside after throwing his tackle off balance in front of him. I just don't see him outright beating his blockers in one-on-one situations enough personally. 

(10-02-2023, 05:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2023, 05:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/eXcO_ASXt5k?si=KCktyLB2VqMLTDtI

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Actually, from looking at that video, he's playing a lot better than I thought.

He had a few nice moments in that cutup. He's good about reading the play action from what I can see and he's also pretty good about working his way back towards the ball carrier if needed but he's still a long way off as an effective and natural pass rusher off the edge in my opinion. 

He just tends to get stuck on the outside against tackles in his one-on-one situations. He has to start winning those battles and consistently effecting the QB. Just not seeing enough chain movement when he engages a tackle. Maybe use some basketball moves and incorporate some sort of leaning into the blocker with your back before using a spin to get inside or outside more quickly. 

The half circle attempts are killing me.

(10-01-2023, 01:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, not a bad game from Walker today it would seem. Need to rewatch for a better perspective but he flashed at times at least and made a few meaningful plays.

Crossing all fingers and toes this is the start of a trend and not just a game vs a weaker opponent that allowed some flash.

This is the NFL, there are no weak opponents.

(09-29-2023, 04:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

I hope he gets hot this season, no other reason.

(09-29-2023, 06:16 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are so sensitive.

As a pass rusher? Sorry but Treyvon sucks (so far at least)
Overall? I guess he is ok (disappointing for a #1 pick though)
Hutch has proven to be much better right now and he has shown that the whole time, it's isnt just about the sacks. Actually, I think the ones talking about the sacks are the ones that have not seen Hutch play, he has been much better than Treyvon
Can Treyvon improve and be better than Hutch? I guess, I hope so! but I also doubt it.

The thing I'm curious about as the season unfolds...

Hutch is killing it, will he still kill it as double teams and gameplans shift based on where he's lined up? Does anyone else on that roster benefit from the extra attention Hutch draws?

I am already assuming Allen is our disruptor. If offenses shift in similar fashion, does Walker see an increase in his stats?

When we had Calais, Allen took advantage. Now, Allen is the Calais. It's Walker's turn to get the single-teams and secondary focus. Seize the opportunity!

(10-02-2023, 12:59 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 04:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Man, I hope Walker gets hot this season just to laugh at all the haters in this thread when they have to eat [BLEEP]

I hope he gets hot this season, no other reason.

(10-02-2023, 06:13 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-01-2023, 01:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, not a bad game from Walker today it would seem. Need to rewatch for a better perspective but he flashed at times at least and made a few meaningful plays.

Crossing all fingers and toes this is the start of a trend and not just a game vs a weaker opponent that allowed some flash.

This is the NFL, there are no weak opponents.

LOL

I know you're on a mission to be the uncrowned love child of Herm Edwards and Ed Sabol these days, but there is a reason why our coaches analyze the weak points of opposing rosters every week when they game plan. 

There may be great parity in the league - but some teams have less talent than others at key positions. 

We were supposed to beat the tinhorns and we were supposed to beat the falcons. 
Even if you've decided you want to die on the hill of some coach speak rhetoric.

(09-29-2023, 05:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 05:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ].... and remind me, how does a DE with 1 bull rush move actually "get hot"?  I mean, the dude is not a 3-point shooter.  It's not like he's going to just get in the zone unless perhaps he takes the Lawrence Taylor route and does a few lines of coke prior to kickoff.

.... wonder if we should have kept Tebow at TE.  Perhaps he would have gotten hot once the regular season kicked off.

There's gotta be about 300 posts on the board by now stating that he needs to develop an arsenal of pass rush technique. (specifically - most state his hand technique as he isn't shedding blocks with his hands the way better pass rushers are) 

So - The obvious answer is developing more than just a bullrush. 

But please, go ahead and give up on a number one pick after 20 games. You'll either turn out right or wrong - but you can be certain that you arrived at the conclusion too quickly either way.  
*shrug* 

I have no idea if he'll turn out to be anything remotely worthy of a number one pick, I'm just way more comfortable stating that than giving up on a talented athlete prematurely when his scouting report was chock full of "what position should he play?" and "will need time to adapt to a dedicated role in an NFL defense" etc etc

nobody is saying to give up the #1 pick after 20 games, they are just saying the Jags made the wrong choice.

(10-02-2023, 05:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/eXcO_ASXt5k?si=KCktyLB2VqMLTDtI

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If you go back and focus on Ridder on this video, you'll notice he was getting the ball out under 2.5 seconds almost every time so kudos to him and the Falcons for apparently coaching him to do that.  When he took longer is when something bad happened for him/them.  I would say that reflects positively on our defensive front's efforts as a whole, not just specifically Josh Allen.  He wasn't being granted any additional time back there which also means he wasn't really giving our rushers many opportunities to get sacks which is all the more impressive Josh got his 3.

(10-02-2023, 01:35 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2023, 05:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/eXcO_ASXt5k?si=KCktyLB2VqMLTDtI

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If you go back and focus on Ridder on this video, you'll notice he was getting the ball out under 2.5 seconds almost every time so kudos to him and the Falcons for apparently coaching him to do that.  When he took longer is when something bad happened for him/them.  I would say that reflects positively on our defensive front's efforts as a whole, not just specifically Josh Allen.  He wasn't being granted any additional time back there which also means he wasn't really giving our rushers many opportunities to get sacks which is all the more impressive Josh got his 3.

Agreed. The Falcons are not built to play with a significant deficit. Robinson got his yardage but we at least kept him out of the endzone. He was making some freaky good plays out there at times. That pick six really did a number on them early and Cisco getting another damn near pick six was the back breaker for the rest of the game.

(10-02-2023, 01:20 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2023, 05:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There's gotta be about 300 posts on the board by now stating that he needs to develop an arsenal of pass rush technique. (specifically - most state his hand technique as he isn't shedding blocks with his hands the way better pass rushers are) 

So - The obvious answer is developing more than just a bullrush. 

But please, go ahead and give up on a number one pick after 20 games. You'll either turn out right or wrong - but you can be certain that you arrived at the conclusion too quickly either way.  
*shrug* 

I have no idea if he'll turn out to be anything remotely worthy of a number one pick, I'm just way more comfortable stating that than giving up on a talented athlete prematurely when his scouting report was chock full of "what position should he play?" and "will need time to adapt to a dedicated role in an NFL defense" etc etc

nobody is saying to give up the #1 pick after 20 games, they are just saying the Jags made the wrong choice.

... and it's too soon to know if that proves to be correct or not

(10-02-2023, 02:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2023, 01:20 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]nobody is saying to give up the #1 pick after 20 games, they are just saying the Jags made the wrong choice.

... and it's too soon to know if that proves to be correct or not

I hope he breaks out soon. This Sunday is the game to do it. Just bury Allen a few times or force him into an errant pass or two.

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This Bills game may very well be Walker’s breakout moment. They are going to be doubling Allen, and Walker may decide it’s finally time to feast.

It's one of those things where you chose a guy at #1 overall, so you are trying to fit him into position that is deserving of that pick. But he's not translating. But you know what? That Donald guy with the Rams (I was about to say at St. Louis, RIP) was pretty great. And we had some major disruptors in the middle with Henderson and Stroud... And honestly, those dude were worthy of a #1 pick. They were beasts up in the middle. Why can't Walker be the next Henderson? I can see him being a Big John type player. He's powerful, he has a motor. He doesn't give up on a play, he's great against the run, and he can push linemen back... It's his position.

Why not just let him eat up the middle? Dude is powerful, dude has a motor. But every time I watch him, he doesn't have the bend like an Edge Rusher. He's not that type of athlete that can turn on a dime. So stop it. Just let him eat up the middle. I just don't get why they don't give him some time as an A gap or B gap. He's constantly going at the D gap and we all see how that works out. He's not that guy. Put him in the middle and let him eat. I mean, there has to be another DE that can set the edge as well as he does on the roster.

(10-02-2023, 05:17 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's one of those things where you chose a guy at #1 overall, so you are trying to fit him into position that is deserving of that pick. But he's not translating. But you know what? That Donald guy with the Rams (I was about to say at St. Louis, RIP) was pretty great. And we had some major disruptors in the middle with Henderson and Stroud... And honestly, those dude were worthy of a #1 pick. They were beasts up in the middle. Why can't Walker be the next Henderson? I can see him being a Big John type player. He's powerful, he has a motor. He doesn't give up on a play, he's great against the run, and he can push linemen back... It's his position.

Why not just let him eat up the middle? Dude is powerful, dude has a motor. But every time I watch him, he doesn't have the bend like an Edge Rusher. He's not that type of athlete that can turn on a dime. So stop it. Just let him eat up the middle. I just don't get why they don't give him some time as an A gap or B gap. He's constantly going at the D gap and we all see how that works out. He's not that guy. Put him in the middle and let him eat. I mean, there has to be another DE that can set the edge as well as he does on the roster.

It's an overall scheme fit issue. Walker would be a good DE in a base 4 - 3 alignment.

While he has the length and strength to be a great disruptor. 275 pounds is too light to play consistently as a big end in a 3 - 4 or man the anchor as a NT down the middle.

You would have to figure out packages and alignments that specifically benefit him and it sounds like they have given him freedom to pick and choose his opponents along the line to be fair to the coaching staff.

He's been kept in check by TE's at times in one on one situations. TE's... that's an indictment on him. He doesn't have enough skills to rush the passer. Period.

So, we're stuck with him for now. We have a sledgehammer that's only good for beating on something when we really need a claw hammer out there that can hit and rip things loose at will.

He has one speed and one technique. Mind numbingly frustrating that Baalke passed that scouting report along to Pederson, Caldwell and Khan and they agreed on that over Hutchinson, a guy that's equal in size, strength and speed, BUT, actually PLAYED DE, put moves on tape to match the RAS score. He ranked 19th all time out of 1500+ prospects.

Walker graded out as number 2 all time with his RAS out of 1500+ prospects. On DE based metrics. Not OLB metrics. This is where the personnel department and coaching staff collectively failed in evaulations and projections.




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(10-02-2023, 06:03 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2023, 05:17 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's one of those things where you chose a guy at #1 overall, so you are trying to fit him into position that is deserving of that pick. But he's not translating.  But you know what?  That Donald guy with the Rams (I was about to say at St. Louis, RIP) was pretty great.  And we had some major disruptors in the middle with Henderson and Stroud...  And honestly, those dude were worthy of a #1 pick.  They were beasts up in the middle.  Why can't Walker be the next Henderson?  I can see him being a Big John type player.  He's powerful, he has a motor.  He doesn't give up on a play, he's great against the run, and he can push linemen back...  It's his position.

Why not just let him eat up the middle?  Dude is powerful, dude has a motor.  But every time I watch him, he doesn't have the bend like an Edge Rusher.  He's not that type of athlete that can turn on a dime.  So stop it.  Just let him eat up the middle.  I just don't get why they don't give him some time as an A gap or B gap.  He's constantly going at the D gap and we all see how that works out.  He's not that guy.  Put him in the middle and let him eat.  I mean, there has to be another DE that can set the edge as well as he does on the roster.

It's an overall scheme fit issue. Walker would be a good DE in a base 4 - 3 alignment.

While he has the length and strength to be a great disruptor. 275 pounds is too light  to play consistently as a big end in a 3 - 4 or man the anchor as a NT down the middle.

You would have to figure out packages and alignments that specifically benefit him and it sounds like they have given him freedom to pick and choose his opponents along the line to be fair to the coaching staff.

He's been kept in check by TE's at times in one on one situations. TE's... that's an indictment on him. He doesn't have enough skills to rush the passer. Period.

So, we're stuck with him for now. We have a sledgehammer that's only good for beating on something when we really need a claw hammer out there that can hit and rip things loose at will.

He has one speed and one technique. Mind numbingly frustrating that Baalke passed that scouting report along to Pederson, Caldwell and Khan and they agreed on that over Hutchinson, a guy that's equal in size, strength and speed, BUT, actually PLAYED DE, put moves on tape to match the RAS score. He ranked 19th all time out of 1500+ prospects.

Walker graded out as number 2 all time with his RAS out of 1500+ prospects. On DE based metrics. Not OLB metrics. This is where the personnel department and coaching staff collectively failed in evaulations and projections.




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OK, so what do you do?  Because he's pretty much what he's going to be.  He's not agile or quick enough to get around Tackles and he doesn't have any skill set to beat any Tackles one on one, other than just a bull rush over powering push...  And you think he's not big and strong enough to move into the interior...  Is he just a complete fail of a pick? 

It sounds like you think we just need to move on after his contract is done.

(10-02-2023, 06:15 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2023, 06:03 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's an overall scheme fit issue. Walker would be a good DE in a base 4 - 3 alignment.

While he has the length and strength to be a great disruptor. 275 pounds is too light  to play consistently as a big end in a 3 - 4 or man the anchor as a NT down the middle.

You would have to figure out packages and alignments that specifically benefit him and it sounds like they have given him freedom to pick and choose his opponents along the line to be fair to the coaching staff.

He's been kept in check by TE's at times in one on one situations. TE's... that's an indictment on him. He doesn't have enough skills to rush the passer. Period.

So, we're stuck with him for now. We have a sledgehammer that's only good for beating on something when we really need a claw hammer out there that can hit and rip things loose at will.

He has one speed and one technique. Mind numbingly frustrating that Baalke passed that scouting report along to Pederson, Caldwell and Khan and they agreed on that over Hutchinson, a guy that's equal in size, strength and speed, BUT, actually PLAYED DE, put moves on tape to match the RAS score. He ranked 19th all time out of 1500+ prospects.

Walker graded out as number 2 all time with his RAS out of 1500+ prospects. On DE based metrics. Not OLB metrics. This is where the personnel department and coaching staff collectively failed in evaulations and projections.




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OK, so what do you do?  Because he's pretty much what he's going to be.  He's not agile or quick enough to get around Tackles and he doesn't have any skill set to beat any Tackles one on one, other than just a bull rush over powering push...  And you think he's not big and strong enough to move into the interior...  Is he just a complete fail of a pick? 

It sounds like you think we just need to move on after his contract is done.

We're stuck with him for 2.5 years. I said I think you give it to about week 10 with this OLB nonsense with him, but, he didn't do [BLEEP] against the Chiefs nor the tinhorns. Two lines that did have challenges on display prior to facing off against us.

I would give up on his OLB mold. He's not the second coming of Aldon Smith. Who I bet Baalke saw in him when he scouted Walker. I think you have to make him a DE and you have to figure out a way to have him work in conjunction with a big 3 - 4 end next to him like RHH, Gotsis, etc.

Make him run stunts inside around Fatukasi, RHH, etc. He's more than capable of doing this if they just let him do it.

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(10-02-2023, 05:08 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]This Bills game may very well be Walker’s breakout moment. They are going to be doubling Allen, and Walker may decide it’s finally time to feast.

He's had a few moments.  I just want consistency at a much higher level.

Thibodaeux looks better too...

Even if Allen gets double teamed that doesn’t mean Travon will get less attention than he’s getting now.
He’s not getting doubled now.

I don’t care about what the other players are doing.

Travon needs to have a stat line that gives him about 8 sacks this year. If he does that I’ll continue to be cautiously optimistic.

5 sacks or less would be extremely disappointing