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Quote:If you support Trump you're 100% racist.

 

If you're black and voted for Obama you are 100% racist.

 

Isn't this fun?

Quote:And yet he's completely wrong. The people voting for Trump actually like him, they believe in what he's doing, and they prefer a member of the citizenry to any of the "leadership" class. They're mad as hell and they simply aren't going to take it anymore. It's the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements forming the Voltron of political change.

 

That's a very good description of what I see as Trump's main supporters.  My guess regarding the demographics is that the average person is probably younger and uses social media more than anything.  I hesitate to use the terms "ill-informed" or "un-educated", but when I hear many of them speak or see what is posted on message boards such as this, I can't help but shake my head and sigh.

 

Quote:Trump has changed the political arena. He's a great salesman. He says what many want to hear

However, he will face an uphill climb in world politics. He has to deal with Muslims, including our allies. He has to deal with women. He has to deal with other nations that he's lambasted. Then he has to deal with Congress and others on the hill. While he gets rave reviews from his support team, he has [BAD WORD REMOVED] off many that he will have to work with. He has burnt bridges, and his svelte, crawfishin, non athletic supporter Christie Creme can't help in that department.


The GOP on the other hand has been deplorable. If anyone couldn't figure out why govt wasn't working the last few years, it should be obvious that a party that will turn on one its own and eat their own young,would certainly do whatever to get their way.

IF by chance Trump doesn't get the nomination, he has every right to run independently. They snookered him into a corner, and now send the attack dogs on him.

Politics is a dirty game, but the Republicans have demonstrated lately that cohesiveness, loyalty and teamwork is secondary to individual agendas.

 

Exactly what my point was earlier (the part in bold).  Honestly, I can't say that I disagree with much of the rest of your post.  The one thing that I would disagree on is that it's not just the Republican party, the Democrat party works in exactly the same way, though in this particular election it's a bit more transparent.  As an example, look at the wins that Bernie Sanders has, then look at the delegate counts of both Democrats.  The "super delegates" are the Democrat party's way of doing pretty much the same thing.

Quote:That's a very good description of what I see as Trump's main supporters. My guess regarding the demographics is that the average person is probably younger and uses social media more than anything. I hesitate to use the terms "ill-informed" or "un-educated", but when I hear many of them speak or see what is posted on message boards such as this, I can't help but shake my head and sigh.

I know how u feel.

LOL to JIB and to JJ...  We're all suspect to the subjectivity of our own world view...  

 

 

Quote:That's a very good description of what I see as Trump's main supporters.  My guess regarding the demographics is that the average person is probably younger and uses social media more than anything.  I hesitate to use the terms "ill-informed" or "un-educated", but when I hear many of them speak or see what is posted on message boards such as this, I can't help but shake my head and sigh.

 

 

Exactly what my point was earlier (the part in bold).  Honestly, I can't say that I disagree with much of the rest of your post.  The one thing that I would disagree on is that it's not just the Republican party, the Democrat party works in exactly the same way, though in this particular election it's a bit more transparent.  As an example, look at the wins that Bernie Sanders has, then look at the delegate counts of both Democrats.  The "super delegates" are the Democrat party's way of doing pretty much the same thing.

 

JIB!  Bloviating, to the end, I see   :woot:  First off regarding your 1st paragraph: I think your analysis of who Trump supporters are is not backed up by anything but your own prejudices.  Trump's message of nationalism spreads across age demographics.  Matter of fact, Trump's support is a mile wide, and an inch deep, so to speak.  Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, social media users, as well as troglodytes all support trump at around a 30-45% clip within the white GOP party.  So your analysis is kinda lacking.

 

What you are seeing is a message of authoritarian nationalism which a certain section of any population identifies with and appreciates at a psychological level.  The reason why he's killin' it with GOP voters is because, most people that psychologically lean towards a nationalistic, authoritarian type of message self select to be GOP.   Liberals and Progressives tend not to appreciate an authoritarian and highly nationalistic message, so they don't vote in GOP primaries.  

 

So what you have is almost a voter magnification of Trump's populatrity within the GOP, but nationally, his message's popularity will be diluted...  Of course, there is a fear that if the movement gains alot of momentum, you'll get band-wagon jumpers that will follow just to vote for the winner.  But I think that's a long shot.

 

As for your second paragraph, I'm not sure if you wrote it in a hurry, but I'm not following it.  What exactly do you mean by the Repbulcian and Democratic party both are doing "it"?  Are you talking about deplorable tactics, as Ringo was discussing?  Because, there is definately a difference between how the GOP candidates are handling themselves versus how the Democratic candidates are dealing with stuff...  Maybe I'm missing your point?

Authoritarian?

Quote:Authoritarian?

Did I stutter?

Please ellaborate.

Quote:Please ellaborate.

 

Here's an article that explains it for you. 

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...ian-213533

 

"Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations."

 

Here's another one:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...ald-trump/

 

"Matthew MacWilliams, a doctoral candidate at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, conducted a poll in which Republicans were asked four questions about child-rearing. With each question, respondents were asked which of two traits were more important in children:

• independence or respect for their elders;
  
• curiosity or good manners;
  
• self-reliance or obedience;
  
• being considerate or being well-behaved.
  

Psychologists use these questions to identify people who are disposed to favor hierarchy, loyalty and strong leadership — those who picked the second trait in each set — what experts call "authoritarianism." That many of Trump's supporters share this trait helps explain the success of his unconventional candidacy and suggests that his rivals will have a hard time winning over his adherents."

 

 

I'm not saying I agree with all this.   But this is the theory.   There are certainly a lot of fascist aspects to the Trump candidacy, such as beating up protesters at rallies.  Nationalism and xenophobia are also well known aspects of fascism or authoritarianism. 



 

Some of these protesters themselves get violent and start fights. That has nothing to do with Trump. You see the same stuff at pro-life vs pro-choice rallies and the like.  Liberals and conservatives hate each other.  It's not about fascism unless both sides are fascists, because it comes from both sides.

 

But I agree Trump is a nationalist authoritarian type. However, he's no different than the other candidates who want to unlock phones for the sake of "safety" and things like that.

You lost me ar nazi germany.

Quote:You lost me ar nazi germany.

 

Haven't you heard? Trump is Hitler. We've never heard this before.

Quote:Here's an article that explains it for you.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533'>http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533</a>


"Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations."


Here's another one:

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/how-your-parenting-style-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/'>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/how-your-parenting-style-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/</a>


"Matthew MacWilliams, a doctoral candidate at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, conducted a poll in which Republicans were asked four questions about child-rearing. With each question, respondents were asked which of two traits were more important in children:

• independence or respect for their elders;
• curiosity or good manners;
• self-reliance or obedience;
• being considerate or being well-behaved.

Psychologists use these questions to identify people who are disposed to favor hierarchy, loyalty and strong leadership — those who picked the second trait in each set — what experts call "authoritarianism." That many of Trump's supporters share this trait helps explain the success of his unconventional candidacy and suggests that his rivals will have a hard time winning over his adherents."



I'm not saying I agree with all this. But this is the theory. There are certainly a lot of fascist aspects to the Trump candidacy, such as beating up protesters at rallies. Nationalism and xenophobia are also well known aspects of fascism or authoritarianism.
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Lol. When trump starts advocating ectra constitutional authority limiting the power of congress or curtailing our individual freedoms call me.


Until then, enforcing immigration laws already passed by the legislature and supported by an overwhelming majority of the people is hardly authoritarian. When an article says that the simple Mantra of making America great again symbolizes that you're a nazi you know which way they lean

Who called anyone Hitler or Nazi?


Comparisons to other authoritarian regimes is important in this type of discussion.


Don't be so sensitive

When a candidate says we are losing, and we're gonna win when in president, but doesn't explain what that means except for a few platitudes, you will have followers that find this type of rhetoric very comforting. This types of people tend to gravitate, psychologically, toward a national, authoritarian type of message.


I'm not saying anything that isn't confirmed by history, a history that (gasp) includes nazi Germany.


And no, I'm not calling trump supporters Nazis, and I'm not calling trump Hitler.


I'm saying trump, and his type of campaign is very appealing to people that are highly nationalistic and gravitate towards an authoritarian style of leadership.

Quote:Who called anyone Hitler or Nazi?


Comparisons to other authoritarian regimes is important in this type of discussion.


Don't be so sensitive

Make America great again, comply or go in the oven there is no comparison

Quote:Lol. When trump starts advocating ectra constitutional authority limiting the power of congress or curtailing our individual freedoms call me.


Until then, enforcing immigration laws already passed by the legislature and supported by an overwhelming majority of the people is hardly authoritarian. When an article says that the simple Mantra of making America great again symbolizes that you're a nazi you know which way they lean

You're smarter than this...


All republicans are saying what u just said about immigration laws, etc...


So, why is trump's support so much more energized and overwhelming compared to the other candidates?


I think you are intentionally being obtuse to make your point, but your point falls flat to anyone that has been paying attention.

Quote:When a candidate says we are losing, and we're gonna win when in president, but doesn't explain what that means except for a few platitudes, you will have followers that find this type of rhetoric very comforting. This types of people tend to gravitate, psychologically, toward a national, authoritarian type of message.


I'm not saying anything that isn't confirmed by history, a history that (gasp) includes nazi Germany.


And no, I'm not calling trump supporters Nazis, and I'm not calling trump Hitler.


I'm saying trump, and his type of campaign is very appealing to people that are highly nationalistic and gravitate towards an authoritarian style of leadership.

Spearing the most detailed discussion of trade policy in my recollection and presidential politics isn't explaining what winning means?


I posted a pretty lengthy opinion in another thread you may want to go take a look at it.

Quote:You're smarter than this...


All republicans are saying what u just said about immigration laws, etc...


So, why is trump's support so much more energized and overwhelming compared to the other candidates?


I think you are intentionally being obtuse to make your point, but your point falls flat to anyone that has been paying attention.

Because he has a more engaging personality and 60 to 70 percent of tge republican electorate sees him as the best on the economy?


And he was the first to bring up immigration.

Quote:Spearing the most detailed discussion of trade policy in my recollection and presidential politics isn't explaining what winning means?


I posted a pretty lengthy opinion in another thread you may want to go take a look at it.

Naw, I'good. The point in making remains. The guy resonates with a nationalistic, authoritarian core of GOP voters.


Those voters don't care about your dissertation of what you want to believe regarding some trump policy. The point I'm making, and the voters in talking about don't care about policy in the way you describe policy.


The type of policy they care about is in terms of taking the nation back to an ideology they have in their minds in terms of feeling not facts or specifics.

Quote:Because he has a more engaging personality and 60 to 70 percent of tge republican electorate sees him as the best on the economy?


And he was the first to bring up immigration.

He was the first to bring up immigration? Lol! You're coming off the rails, friend.


There's a specific type of personality he portrays...


Same with immigration. He wasn't the first to bring up immigration.


He was the first to bring up immigration in an authoritarian and nationalistic way. A way that resonates with a certain section of the gop population...